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islander

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 6:10pm

 kurtster wrote:

We have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world.

The United States is not only the country with the highest incarceration rate worlwide, but it is also home to the largest number of prisoners. Roughly 2.12 million people were incarcerated in the U.S. in 2020. In China, the estimated prison population totaled to 1.71 million people that year.

It's a pretty safe bet that we win with the crazy's, too.  Latest info for L A is that while 1% of the population is homeless (aka mentally ill) last year they accounted for 15% of the crime.

Fail, you can circle back on this if you want. 

You have your POV and I have mine.  Later.


Unfortunately, your POV is really a POS. It is based mostly on falsehoods and talking points from people who are afraid of losing their position/power.  
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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 6:04pm

 steeler wrote:

This may be on the margins of the discussion of this ongoing nightmare of mass shootings, but I do believe the glorification of gun possession plays a significant role, and I have been thinking of this whenever I see photos of people proudly displaying their firearms. I mean, what is the reasoning behind posing with a firearm sporting a shit-eating grin? Why would someone seeking elected office choose as a campaign aid a photo of him or her brandishing a gun? What kind of a person elects to adorn a Christmas card with a photo of him, his wife, and their children proudly holding their guns?j

It does not make sense to me. If, as oft stated, the gun is for protection, a tool, then how to explain these kind of displays? It seems clear to me that the possession of these firearms are being associated — falsely — with concepts such as freedom, patriotism, and heroism. There is some kind of cultural attachment, as if gun ownership defines what it means to be an American.

This is deluded thinking, which sets the stage for those who then take it to its most illogical, irrational and fatal extreme, going out in a blaze of perceived glory, as if they were action heroes in a movie — only the deaths are real.



Show me your budget and I'll tell you what you value:

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 5:53pm

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 5:48pm

 rgio wrote:

You're right....it's crazy and criminals...not the guns.   You're allowed to have a POV, even if it's illogical.



Yeah, it couldn't have ANYTHING to do with the fact that America has by far the highest number of guns per capita. Just couldn't.
rgio

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 4:46pm

 kurtster wrote:

We have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world.

The United States is not only the country with the highest incarceration rate worlwide, but it is also home to the largest number of prisoners. Roughly 2.12 million people were incarcerated in the U.S. in 2020. In China, the estimated prison population totaled to 1.71 million people that year.

It's a pretty safe bet that we win with the crazy's, too.  Latest info for L A is that while 1% of the population is homeless (aka mentally ill) last year they accounted for 15% of the crime.

Fail, you can circle back on this if you want. 

You have your POV and I have mine.  Later.

You're right....it's crazy and criminals...not the guns.   You're allowed to have a POV, even if it's illogical.

kurtster

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 3:46pm

 steeler wrote:
... I do believe the glorification of gun possession plays a significant role, and I have been thinking of this whenever I see photos of people proudly displaying their firearms. I mean, what is the reasoning behind posing with a firearm sporting a shit-eating grin? ...

... then how to explain these kind of displays? It seems clear to me that the possession of these firearms are being associated — falsely — with concepts such as freedom, patriotism, and heroism. There is some kind of cultural attachment...

This is deluded thinking, which sets the stage for those who then take it to its most illogical, irrational and fatal extreme, going out in a blaze of perceived glory, as if they were action heroes in a movie — only the deaths are real.
 
Well then maybe we should quit making movies that trade on gun violence and glorifying it ... to make a buck.

And then the video games ... which all the bleeding hearts say have zero impact on cultural behaviour ...

u are what you eat, in more ways than just food ...
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steeler

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 3:22pm

This may be on the margins of the discussion of this ongoing nightmare of mass shootings, but I do believe the glorification of gun possession plays a significant role, and I have been thinking of this whenever I see photos of people proudly displaying their firearms. I mean, what is the reasoning behind posing with a firearm sporting a shit-eating grin? Why would someone seeking elected office choose as a campaign aid a photo of him or her brandishing a gun? What kind of a person elects to adorn a Christmas card with a photo of him, his wife, and their children proudly holding their guns?j

It does not make sense to me. If, as oft stated, the gun is for protection, a tool, then how to explain these kind of displays? It seems clear to me that the possession of these firearms are being associated — falsely — with concepts such as freedom, patriotism, and heroism. There is some kind of cultural attachment, as if gun ownership defines what it means to be an American.

This is deluded thinking, which sets the stage for those who then take it to its most illogical, irrational and fatal extreme, going out in a blaze of perceived glory, as if they were action heroes in a movie — only the deaths are real.

kurtster

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 3:13pm

 rgio wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

It is the criminals and crazy's who do not follow the rules that are the problem. Since the police are no longer able to do their job due to politics ... the ones who do follow the rules have a legitimate need for guns to protect themselves from the criminals and crazy's.


Do we have more criminals than other countries?Do we have more crazy's than other countries?

The answer to both is no, ...

 
We have more people incarcerated than any other country in the world.

The United States is not only the country with the highest incarceration rate worlwide, but it is also home to the largest number of prisoners. Roughly 2.12 million people were incarcerated in the U.S. in 2020. In China, the estimated prison population totaled to 1.71 million people that year.

It's a pretty safe bet that we win with the crazy's, too.  Latest info for L A is that while 1% of the population is homeless (aka mentally ill) last year they accounted for 15% of the crime.

Fail, you can circle back on this if you want. 

You have your POV and I have mine.  Later.
rgio

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 2:51pm

 kurtster wrote:

It is the criminals and crazy's who do not follow the rules that are the problem.

Since the police are no longer able to do their job due to politics ...

the ones who do follow the rules have a legitimate need for guns to protect themselves from the criminals and crazy's.


Do we have more criminals than other countries?

Do we have more crazy's than other countries?

The answer to both is no, yet we have mass murders every week, and other countries go years without them?   What's different?

Blame everything else, but the political problem is that we allow the NRA and the money they give to the Right to focus on anything but what can stop it.  Less guns.  


FWIW - Law enforcement in other countries often doesn't carry guns.  That's because they don't need them.
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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 2:43pm

So as everyone here goes all Beto ...

You can have all of the rules and laws that you want.

The people who follow the rules are not the problem.

It is the criminals and crazy's who do not follow the rules that are the problem.

Since the police are no longer able to do their job due to politics ...

the ones who do follow the rules have a legitimate need for guns to protect themselves from the criminals and crazy's.
ColdMiser

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Posted: May 26, 2022 - 10:10am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

1. End the sale of semi-automatic firearms (and parts for them) to the public.

2. Tax ammunition that is specific to semi-automatic firearms at 100%

3. End the sale of cartridge cases specific to semi-automatic ammunition to the public.

4. Require liability insurance on every firearm.

5. Require comprehensive background legal and mental checks on all firearms owners and purchasers.

6. Require comprehensive training - with continuing education - on all firearms owners and purchasers.

7. Require federal, state and local registration of all firearms.

8. Require owners of firearms to provide secure storage for said firearms and that such storage be inspected and certified by federal, state or local law-enforcement.

9. Hold parents whose children commit crime with their firearms criminally liable.

That's a start...




All of that makes sense, wish it would happen, doubt it will.
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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 7:56pm

 Bill_J wrote:


I would vote for you for the US Senate if I could,  but I can't.


I'd ban assault rifles as well but that's a great list.
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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 6:28pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:

1. End the sale of semi-automatic firearms (and parts for them) to the public.

2. Tax ammunition that is specific to semi-automatic firearms at 100%

3. End the sale of cartridge cases specific to semi-automatic ammunition to the public.

4. Require liability insurance on every firearm.

5. Require comprehensive background legal and mental checks on all firearms owners and purchasers.

6. Require comprehensive training - with continuing education - on all firearms owners and purchasers.

7. Require federal, state and local registration of all firearms.

8. Require owners of firearms to provide secure storage for said firearms and that such storage be inspected and certified by federal, state or local law-enforcement.

9. Hold parents whose children commit crime with their firearms criminally liable.

That's a start...



I would vote for you for the US Senate if I could,  but I can't.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 4:17pm

1. End the sale of semi-automatic firearms (and parts for them) to the public.

2. Tax ammunition that is specific to semi-automatic firearms at 100%

3. End the sale of cartridge cases specific to semi-automatic ammunition to the public.

4. Require liability insurance on every firearm.

5. Require comprehensive background legal and mental checks on all firearms owners and purchasers.

6. Require comprehensive training - with continuing education - on all firearms owners and purchasers.

7. Require federal, state and local registration of all firearms.

8. Require owners of firearms to provide secure storage for said firearms and that such storage be inspected and certified by federal, state or local law-enforcement.

9. Hold parents whose children commit crime with their firearms criminally liable.

That's a start...

islander

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 4:08pm

 rgio wrote:
Steve Kerr - Coach of the Golden State Warriors 



His dad was killed in Lebanon's civil war, so he's no stranger to loss and grief. 
rgio

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 2:56pm

Steve Kerr - Coach of the Golden State Warriors 

Isabeau

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 2:18pm

 rgio wrote:

I wouldn't argue the house and senate, but the "non-crazy" republicans (and there are more than most assume) won't support Donnie in 2024.  The popular republican platforms (limiting voting, limiting government programs, limiting regulation) are much less popular nationally than are limiting abortion and unlimited guns.    It's a long way to '24.



Lil D is losing his *ahem* grip. Ye ol Establishment, McConnell et al, are desperate to steer the Oligarchy away from the Trumpberg. 
Nuthin but fun ahead folks.

rgio

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 1:09pm

 ColdMiser wrote:

the way things are going I expect to see Drive Thru gun stores and ammo vending machines in your local convenience store. Roe could just be the tip of the iceburg with this SCOTUS and Repups gaining the house, senate and WH in the near future.


I wouldn't argue the house and senate, but the "non-crazy" republicans (and there are more than most assume) won't support Donnie in 2024.  The popular republican platforms (limiting voting, limiting government programs, limiting regulation) are much less popular nationally than are limiting abortion and unlimited guns.    It's a long way to '24.

ColdMiser

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 12:56pm

 rgio wrote:
the way things are going I expect to see Drive Thru gun stores and ammo vending machines in your local convenience store. Roe could just be the tip of the iceburg with this SCOTUS and Repups gaining the house, senate and WH in the near future.

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Posted: May 25, 2022 - 12:28pm

 rgio wrote:

No one should be allowed to buy them.
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