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ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 6:00pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

And I'm only razzing you. No offense taken.


Oh by the way, the kids are driving back, not flying. So I don't know what that means for picking up the car, but it may be when some/all of us go to the Montana Folk Festival.
Lazy8

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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 5:51pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I only and honestly meant that you're a reliable interpreter of these things.

And I'm only razzing you. No offense taken.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 5:48pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Feeling a little called out here.


I only and honestly meant that you're a reliable interpreter of these things.
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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 5:45pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
That one's interesting and I'm okay with it (at least until Lazy explains what I'm not seeing ;-p ) because it seems like a pretty narrow scope and he's still on the hook for the crime—it just needs to be resentenced.

But the outrage is both Alito and Thomas using the case to try to make new law:
Gorsuch appeared to criticize the separate dissents penned by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. Addressing a contention made by Thomas, Gorsuch wrote in a footnote that "not even the prosecutors for whom Justice Thomas professes concern seek anything like that." Alito, Gorsuch said, put forward an argument that the parties had "not whispered a word about."
If those guys are in favor of the law, then it's certainly not a good law.

Feeling a little called out here.

The ruling is very technical and hinges on a close reading of the law. It seems like both Thomas (a bit uncharacteristically) and Alito (more expected) are making consequentialist arguments—which are (in my expert legal opinion
) always irrelevant.

So I'm down with the decision: it follows the actual law and doesn't offend my sense of justice (bad guys will still face consequences, victim isn't re-victimized).

ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 5:35pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
That one's interesting and I'm okay with it (at least until Lazy explains what I'm not seeing ;-p ) because it seems like a pretty narrow scope and he's still on the hook for the crime—it just needs to be resentenced.

But the outrage is both Alito and Thomas using the case to try to make new law:
Gorsuch appeared to criticize the separate dissents penned by Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito. Addressing a contention made by Thomas, Gorsuch wrote in a footnote that "not even the prosecutors for whom Justice Thomas professes concern seek anything like that." Alito, Gorsuch said, put forward an argument that the parties had "not whispered a word about."
If those guys are in favor of the law, then it's certainly not a good law.
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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 4:32pm

outrage
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Posted: Jun 21, 2022 - 9:09am

outrage
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Posted: May 16, 2022 - 9:33am

Supreme Court Sides With Ted Cruz In Campaign Finance Case
Isabeau

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Posted: May 9, 2022 - 12:15pm

 ScottN wrote:

I believe the division the country has experienced under the disaster that was the Trump administration will be minor compared to the social upheaval to come should Roe be overturned or otherwise nullified. The American taliban has the SCOTUS and demands their say no matter the cost.

Spot on. This is akin to what is a crime in one state is welcome and legal in others.  Food for thought:
Women make up 20% of our current military forces; often key in intelligence and security operations. If women begin to eschew joining the military because they can't know if they'll be stationed in a Criminal or Legal Abortion state, it would greatly damage our homeland security and possibly incur the reinstatement of the Draft.
If Republicans don't care about body autonomy, privacy or personal rights, there's nothing young men between the ages of 18-34 can do about being forced to fill those 'boots on the ground.'

Naturally, as it was back in the 60's, One's wealth will determine their level of 'patriotism.'
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Posted: May 9, 2022 - 11:11am

 Isabeau wrote:
 HarleyRider wrote:

I do not care or feel overly concerned about abortion, transgenderism, or homosexuality. I am very concerned about inflation, personal freedom, free speech, the price of energy and food, the national debt, illegal immigration, and upholding the constitution as it is written in stone, and I will vote on these issues alone. However, regarding the past week’s leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion on abortion that has the country talking, progressives and the liberal media mob are showing far more outrage over the draft’s contents than its leak. The leaker must be punished professionally—fired and barred from work in law, and criminally prosecuted, if possible. If the draft holds and Roe is overturned, the issue goes to the states, which is where it belongs.

So you are conflating one half the population (Women) private health care decisions with considerably smaller groups and not concerned. Not concerned that Religion is underscoring a BELIEF that is being legislated upon? No concerns over Separation of Church and State? 
So Only that which concerns YOU are the only parts of the Constitution you support?
 
I believe the division the country has experienced under the disaster that was the Trump administration will be minor compared to the social upheaval to come should Roe be overturned or otherwise nullified. The American taliban has the SCOTUS and demands their say no matter the cost.
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Posted: May 9, 2022 - 10:45am

 HarleyRider wrote:

I do not care or feel overly concerned about abortion, transgenderism, or homosexuality. I am very concerned about inflation, personal freedom, free speech, the price of energy and food, the national debt, illegal immigration, and upholding the constitution as it is written in stone, and I will vote on these issues alone. However, regarding the past week’s leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion on abortion that has the country talking, progressives and the liberal media mob are showing far more outrage over the draft’s contents than its leak. The leaker must be punished professionally—fired and barred from work in law, and criminally prosecuted, if possible. If the draft holds and Roe is overturned, the issue goes to the states, which is where it belongs.



So you are conflating one half the population (Women) private health care decisions with considerably smaller groups and not concerned. Not concerned that Religion is underscoring a BELIEF that is being legislated upon? No concerns over Separation of Church and State? 
So Only that which concerns YOU are the only parts of the Constitution you support?

Isabeau

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Posted: May 9, 2022 - 10:32am

 kcar wrote:


Your opinion reminds me of the outage some felt over the publication of the Pentagon Papers. The Supreme Court upheld the publication of that material which at the time was classified as Top Secret.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...


"Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government."
Justice Hugo Black


"Ignore the House on Fire; Who called the Fire Department?"
steeler

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Posted: May 9, 2022 - 10:29am

 black321 wrote:


Wise words. 



The nomination process has been subsumed by politics. The Senate has abdicated its responsibilities in serving as a check on nominees of a President. It really has become a joke and a charade. The shenanigans of McConnell resulted in 2 “stolen” seats on the Court. That — alone — has besmirched the current Court, perhaps damaging it irreparably. Of course, there have been other incidents. But the point of my post is that the original idea of the Court still makes sense.  I am not sure how we can correct for the manipulation of the nomination process — other than elect better Senators (and Presidents). Or the open politicization that has resulted in the people writ large inexplicably and foolishly believing they absolutely know what makes a good Justice or what is or is not constitutional. We stand on the precipice — or we already have entered the abyss. The Court is supposed to be a sentinel stationed to prevent us from going over the edge. Unfortunate if it now is the catalyst for our ultimate demise.


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Posted: May 8, 2022 - 11:02am

 HarleyRider wrote:

However, regarding the past week’s leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion on abortion that has the country talking, progressives and the liberal media mob are showing far more outrage over the draft’s contents than its leak. The leaker must be punished professionally—fired and barred from work in law, and criminally prosecuted, if possible. 



Your opinion reminds me of the outage some felt over the publication of the Pentagon Papers. The Supreme Court upheld the publication of that material which at the time was classified as Top Secret.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...


"Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government."
Justice Hugo Black
Red_Dragon

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Posted: May 8, 2022 - 10:30am

‘Opinion Suffused with Contempt and Rage’
islander

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Posted: May 8, 2022 - 7:25am

 kurtster wrote:

In those that case, the Constitution was used as it was intended.  Both amendments were passed properly as provided for in the Constitution, right ?

Isn't that how it is supposed to work or do you have a different understanding ?





Just pointing out that 'written in stone' has been modified 27 times.  So not so much written in stone after all. 
kurtster

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Posted: May 8, 2022 - 2:15am

 islander wrote:
 HarleyRider wrote:

 and upholding the constitution as it is written in stone, and I will vote on these issues alone.

So how do you reconcile the 18th and 21st amendments? 
 
In those that case, the Constitution was used as it was intended.  Both amendments were passed properly as provided for in the Constitution, right ?

Isn't that how it is supposed to work or do you have a different understanding ?
islander

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Posted: May 7, 2022 - 7:54pm

 HarleyRider wrote:

 and upholding the constitution as it is written in stone, and I will vote on these issues alone.



So how do you reconcile the 18th and 21st amendments? 
HarleyRider



Posted: May 7, 2022 - 4:43pm

I do not care or feel overly concerned about abortion, transgenderism, or homosexuality. I am very concerned about inflation, personal freedom, free speech, the price of energy and food, the national debt, illegal immigration, and upholding the constitution as it is written in stone, and I will vote on these issues alone. However, regarding the past week’s leak of a draft Supreme Court opinion on abortion that has the country talking, progressives and the liberal media mob are showing far more outrage over the draft’s contents than its leak. The leaker must be punished professionally—fired and barred from work in law, and criminally prosecuted, if possible. If the draft holds and Roe is overturned, the issue goes to the states, which is where it belongs.

black321

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Posted: May 6, 2022 - 10:16am

 steeler wrote:

The draft opinion that would overturn Roe v. Wade is reason for feeling and expressing discontent with the Supreme Court, which is putting it mildly. That said, it is not a time to question the framework of the Founders that, in my opinion, wisely placed the Supreme Court in this position of power and influence, while trying to insulate it as best they could from the political process. Those insisting that the Justices be made accountable to the people have it wrong.

I am hoping, for example, that this episode does not result in an expanded number of Justices, known as packing the Court. I might be in favor of imposing term limits, but they would need to be terms lengthy enough to provide some of that necessary political insulation. I certainly would not be in favor of anything less than 10 years and probably thinking closer to 20 years. Shorter terms would result in a more constant turnover of Justices that, I believe, would result in instability in the Court itself and exacerbate current popular malaise by elevating even more the political and cultural warfare over nominations. We do not need more political and cultural circuses, which is largely what Senate confirmation hearings have become, with no end in sight to the escalation of the absurd.

In sum, it is not a time to throw the baby out with the bath water. Restraint is warranted. There certainly have been abominable decisions of the Supreme Court (e.g., Dred Scott and Plessy v, Ferguson), but, over the course of our history, the Court has played its role as envisioned by the Founders. We should be hesitant to alter that framework. Even amidst this tumult, proceed with caution.




Wise words. 


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