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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 3:33pm

 kurtster wrote:
I don't know if this matters or not, but ...

all of the things done by Trump were as a private citizen.  The things Biden has done that we are discussing were all done as either Vice President or Senator ...   Does not a higher standard of conduct apply to a federally elected office holder (while in office) than a private citizen ?  As touchy / feely as Trump was as a private citizen, he has in no way conducted himself improperly as POTUS.  There is a reason Biden is called Uncle Joe ...

 

You don't get to majickly pretend that a sitting president's behavior before s/he became president doesn't count. So I'll see your Biden and raise you Pussy Grabber. 
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 3:19pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 oldviolin wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
I thought that this was a discussion about personal conduct with the opposite sex different sexes genders other than your own.  I hope that I worded that properly.  Don't want to offend anyone.
 
Blinkers it is.
 

Are you meaning to accuse Kurt of wearing 'blinders'?   I thought blinkers were red lights with magnetic bases that a tow truck operator sticks  on the deck lid of his repo.

anyway probably everybody needs blinkers one way or the other if you think about it...


I'm trading my blinders for an eye patch and setting sail on the pirate ship Periphery as soon as my new peg leg is ready. 

 

It's another term for the same thing, usually reserved for the adjectival because saying someone's "blindered" sounds weird so we might say Kurt's blinkered posting is causing trouble.
 

Anecdotally I took a chunk of concrete about the size and shape of a healthy slice of cheesecake packed in a snowball right between the eyes while stationed in Germany a minute ago. 17 stitches and a scar the shape of a cross to prove that at least something happened even if I am a good liar.  Lol.  Who needs ashes when an army story will work I always say.  I've been blindered more than once and molared a bunch of times.  I don't recommend it. Never blinkered though. Close.
So enough about me. What are we talking about? Oh yeah, ironing...

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 3:10pm


 oldviolin wrote:
 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
I thought that this was a discussion about personal conduct with the opposite sex different sexes genders other than your own.  I hope that I worded that properly.  Don't want to offend anyone.
 
Blinkers it is.
 
Are you meaning to accuse Kurt of wearing 'blinders'?   I thought blinkers were red lights with magnetic bases that a tow truck operator sticks  on the deck lid of his repo.

anyway probably everybody needs blinkers one way or the other if you think about it...


I'm trading my blinders for an eye patch and setting sail on the pirate ship Periphery as soon as my new peg leg is ready. 
 
No, I mean blinkers, as in blinkered. Used with skittish horses. But you can use blinders if you prefer those.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 3:09pm



 oldviolin wrote:


 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
I thought that this was a discussion about personal conduct with the opposite sex different sexes genders other than your own.  I hope that I worded that properly.  Don't want to offend anyone.
 
Blinkers it is.
 

Are you meaning to accuse Kurt of wearing 'blinders'?   I thought blinkers were red lights with magnetic bases that a tow truck operator sticks  on the deck lid of his repo.

anyway probably everybody needs blinkers one way or the other if you think about it...


I'm trading my blinders for an eye patch and setting sail on the pirate ship Periphery as soon as my new peg leg is ready. 

 

It's another term for the same thing, usually reserved for the adjectival because saying someone's "blindered" sounds weird so we might say Kurt's blinkered posting is causing trouble.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 3:04pm



 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
I thought that this was a discussion about personal conduct with the opposite sex different sexes genders other than your own.  I hope that I worded that properly.  Don't want to offend anyone.
 
Blinkers it is.
 

Are you meaning to accuse Kurt of wearing 'blinders'?   I thought blinkers were red lights with magnetic bases that a tow truck operator sticks  on the deck lid of his repo.

anyway probably everybody needs blinkers one way or the other if you think about it...


I'm trading my blinders for an eye patch and setting sail on the pirate ship Periphery as soon as my new peg leg is ready. 
R_P

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 3:04pm

Biden is one year younger than Sanders. 
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:45pm

 oldviolin wrote:

or maybe I did miss your point. I do feel a bit dense lately.

so many memes, so little time

now I'm channeling miamizsun

hey everybody needs to look up to somebody, right?

where is this going?

I'm sorry if I offended. 

 

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:34pm

 kurtster wrote:
I thought that this was a discussion about personal conduct with the opposite sex different sexes genders other than your own.  I hope that I worded that properly.  Don't want to offend anyone.
 
Blinkers it is.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:31pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Well, any way you look at it, we're talking about Joe Biden as opposed to learning about one of the less well known candidates. The 2020 election is going according to the script. I don't want to hear any whining when Trump wins a second term. 
 

i recently hedged for this

i'm long kleenex, cannabis, tin foil, excedrin and canadian reits

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:26pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
I'll take your reply as a no.

Would you like to discuss Trump's "higher standard of conduct (while in office)" or might blinkers prevent that from happening? Goose and gander. Mote and plank.

 
I thought that this was a discussion about personal conduct with the opposite sex different sexes genders other than your own.  I hope that I worded that properly.  Don't want to offend anyone.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:17pm

 kurtster wrote:
I'll take your reply as a no.

Would you like to discuss Trump's "higher standard of conduct (while in office)" or might blinkers prevent that from happening? Goose and gander. Mote and plank.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:12pm

ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I just mean that if we agree Biden's not going to make it to the elimination round, we shouldn't talk about him. We need to get more information about the other candidates, not gossip about crazy Uncle Joe.
 
Well, he is technically the front runner. By a fairly wide margin.
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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:11pm

 R_P wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Does not a higher standard of conduct apply to a federally elected office holder (Edit: while in office) than a private citizen ?



 
I'll take your reply as a no.


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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:07pm

 kurtster wrote:
Does not a higher standard of conduct apply to a federally elected office holder than a private citizen ?


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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 2:00pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 oldviolin wrote:


now I'm channeling miamizsun


  

 
I just mean that if we agree Biden's not going to make it to the elimination round, we shouldn't talk about him. We need to get more information about the other candidates, not gossip about crazy Uncle Joe.

 

What's the buzz; tell me what's happening...

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 1:59pm

I don't know if this matters or not, but ...

all of the things done by Trump were as a private citizen.  The things Biden has done that we are discussing were all done as either Vice President or Senator ...   Does not a higher standard of conduct apply to a federally elected office holder (while in office) than a private citizen ?  As touchy / feely as Trump was as a private citizen, he has in no way conducted himself improperly as POTUS.  There is a reason Biden is called Uncle Joe ...


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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 1:57pm



 sirdroseph wrote:

I guess a good litmus test is that if you had a daughter and he was groping her like that to the point to where she was visibly uncomfortable, how would you see it?  Or would you behave that way yourself?   Biden is smart, imo I see someone getting away with as most feels as he can without it being definitely defined as groping.  I really don't see how anyone could see any different.  Perhaps it would help if you imagined Trump behaving the exact same way (not the actual feeling up of grown women by grabbing their private parts, there is no misconstruing that and there is nothing to discuss) perhaps you would see it for what it really is or not.  It does bother me that he could get away with that all of these years, just goes to show that although metoo has some possible side effects, it obviously needed to happen.   Bet Biden will be more careful this time around if he does run and stay in the public eye. 


 
I think by calling it groping you've already put a box around it. I've been groped more times than I can remember, and I can say from personal experience that there is a big difference between being groped and having body boundaries disrespected (at least in my experience - again, it's personal - someone who's been abused might have a harder time discriminating). I wouldn't want my kids to be intruded upon like that, but I also don't see it as sexual. I wouldn't want them to even hear trump's voice, let alone be in his physical presence - he is toxic all around, but I don't like your premise - it assumes that the motive, intention and consciousness of any person's behavior and their relationship to the other person is interchangeable. My contention is that each relationship is unique, and I could be perfectly comfortable with one guy putting his hands on my shoulder and 100% uncomfortable just being in the same room with another - it's up to me to let you know how I feel, not for me to decide how it is for someone else - I see that as disempowering. I think you're also making Biden's behavior more conscious than it probably is... you've made all sorts of judgments that I just can't agree with you are ours to make. 

Just think about it culturally - there are cultures where people touch each other constantly, and others that don't. Just thinking of the families I know, some are like puppy piles and others show little to no affection. All that plays out in our unconsciousness in terms of what we can tolerate or enjoy. 

Your last line actually saddens me. While I would like him to learn to respect boundaries, I don't want him feeling constrained from being himself, if what most people experience from him is warmth and affection. And that's what I'm getting at - are we going to rope men in so far that they can't be comfortable in their own skin? Do they have to suffer the same pain women have in order to put things right?  I think there are more conscious ways of moving in that direction. 

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 1:55pm



 oldviolin wrote:


now I'm channeling miamizsun


  

 
I just mean that if we agree Biden's not going to make it to the elimination round, we shouldn't talk about him. We need to get more information about the other candidates, not gossip about crazy Uncle Joe.

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 12:49pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 oldviolin wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Well, any way you look at it, we're talking about Joe Biden as opposed to learning about one of the less well known candidates. The 2020 election is going according to the script. I don't want to hear any whining when Trump wins a second term. 
 

Lolololololol

Biden's a jackass. 
We all know it. That hasn't stopped anyone else from running yet...

I  don't think he's a perv though...

JMHO
 
Sort of missing the point. But by all means, we should keep talking about the candidates we don't care about.

 
Scott I can assure that I wasn't laughing at your insinuation. You are a vested member of the struggle. 
I'm not sure I missed your point at all . You and I want to replace Trump and we don't care if they're somewhat flawed because we know they all will be so the thing is not to find a perfect human being or politician but the perfect candidate with the character to derail the colostomy express. It could be Biden. I don't know. I hope not. I can't see it.  I hope it won't be a circus. I'm sure everyone wants a best case scenario. Maybe we can learn the lesson of Trump. Now I've used his name as a cautionary tale. That's the trick  you know, to resolve our way to harmony

or maybe I did miss your point. I do feel a bit dense lately.

so many memes, so little time

now I'm channeling miamizsun

hey everybody needs to look up to somebody, right?

where is this going?

I'm sorry if I offended. 
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Apr 1, 2019 - 12:25pm



 oldviolin wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
Well, any way you look at it, we're talking about Joe Biden as opposed to learning about one of the less well known candidates. The 2020 election is going according to the script. I don't want to hear any whining when Trump wins a second term. 
 

Lolololololol

Biden's a jackass. 
We all know it. That hasn't stopped anyone else from running yet...

I  don't think he's a perv though...

JMHO
 
Sort of missing the point. But by all means, we should keep talking about the candidates we don't care about.

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