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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 6:41pm

 buddy wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

What do you say about Robert Byrd ?
 

I’m not the least bit interested in wandering off into some non sequitur dialog with you.
 
But it is relevant, given how we are reviewing our past one more time, tearing down icons of know racists and what not.  Hillary even said that he was her mentor at his funeral.  So he was considered a "good democrat" by many democratic leaders.  His name is plastered all over schools and other public buildings.  Yet he was also a leader in the KKK.  How do you square that given what is going on today ?

I think it is a fair and honest question, in light of the present.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 6:34pm



 kurtster wrote:

What do you say about Robert Byrd ?
 

I’m not the least bit interested in wandering off into some non sequitur dialog with you.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 6:11pm

 buddy wrote:

George Wallace was never a "good democrat", or even a decent human being, IMHO.
 
What do you say about Robert Byrd ?
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 1:14pm



 steeler wrote:


 Steely_D wrote:
Oh, FFS. Can we have a do-over on the Dem field?

120 Million Dead from Coronavirus

 
He obviously misspoke. Said 120 million instead of 120,000. It happens. Not a big deal unless we are to believe that he did not misspeak and actually believes 120 million have died. I do not believe that to be the case. I also did not believe that Obama thought there were 57 states in the union.

 

Trump keeps hitting this one on his twitter account. If that’s all he has . . . as Adm. Stockdale would say, he might be out of ammunition.  If you want to see some incoherent rambling, check out Trump’s response to Hannity asking him what his priorities are for his second term. 
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 12:39pm



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Oh noes, I've triggered my dawg...
 

You know, you two have your own forum if you need it.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 12:27pm

Oh noes, I've triggered my dawg...
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 12:25pm



 R_P wrote:
Having the experience of 3 glorious years of Trump and his MAGA minions...

Few things would be more hilarious than Don the Con ending up as 1-term Prez...


Now with 10x more action.

 



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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 12:22pm



 R_P wrote:
Having the experience of 3 glorious years of Trump and his MAGA minions...

Few things would be more hilarious than Don the Con ending up as 1-term Prez...
 


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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 11:47am

Having the experience of 3 glorious years of Trump and his MAGA minions...

Few things would be more hilarious than Don the Con ending up as 1-term Prez...
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 11:34am



 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is. 

He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.

That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
 
Well, it's not just hate - though there is plenty of that for Trump.  Most of the people who will vote against him just don't want him to be the President anymore.

 

The pertinent inquiry would be into the reasons for the “hate.” My guess is Kurtster and other Trump supporters  prefer to see the “hate” for  Trump as irrational and inexplicable, an emotional rote response devoid of reason.  As you say, there are reasons  people are so stridently opposed to him, reasons  people believe it critical that he not be re-elected.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 11:25am



 kurtster wrote:
People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is. 

He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.

That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
 
Well, it's not just hate - though there is plenty of that for Trump.  Most of the people who will vote against him just don't want him to be the President anymore.

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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 10:58am



 rgio wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:
...

just looking at this from my perch he needs a solid vp candidate

...
 
He is in the very odd position of very possibly picking  President #47.  He has to pick the person who he feels is best suited to run the place if he can't...regardless of sex, race, age, anything.  

It's very possible that the shuttering of the US, and by default his campaign, has allowed him to relax a bit mentally.  Now that he's had his foot off the gas for so long, there is a real question if someone in their late 70's can turn it back on again.   If he picks a VP who people are comfortable with, he can get over the finish line.  If he picks someone who raises doubts and follows that with poor showings in debates or makes some significant blunders....things could get closer.

More Americans realize every day that Trump is the worst answer possible.   If he ever loses the white men 40-65 without a college degree demo...he'll have lost everyone.   I would guess 60% of Americans would prefer to spin a wheel for the next President than to repeat the last 4 years.  

I'm ready for 2020 to be over already.  The first half has totally sucked...and now we have to deal with a Presidential election.  
 
Interesting. I'd say the same of both candidates right now. We are very possibly voting for the person who will pick the next president. Has Trump officially selected Pence?  I think he been sufficiently sycophantic (band name, also on the worst baskin robins flavors list). 

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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 10:47am

 buddy wrote:
George Wallace was never a "good democrat", or even a decent human being, IMHO.
 
Apparently he liked to do dumb sh!t during a pandemic as well. Plus ça change...

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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 10:29am



 kurtster wrote:

I spent some time down in Pensacola and even got married there my first time.  I traveled back and forth between there and Gulf Shores, Ala (Kenny Stabler country) a lot.  I still remember the "Welcome To Alabama, George Wallace Governor" sign at the border.  It was quite clear that the sign had taken some direct hits by a shot gun blast or two or three.  He was a good democrat, too ... until he wasn't ...
 

George Wallace was never a "good democrat", or even a decent human being, IMHO.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 9:17am

 Steely_D wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is. 

He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.

That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
 
That's true. Most of the country didn't want him to begin with, and he's done an insignificant amount of improvement to change people's minds.

And, I'd hope he'd pick George Wallace! He's hysterical! I saw him interviewed by Patton Oswalt before the plague and it was lots of fun.

 
I spent some time down in Pensacola and even got married there my first time.  I traveled back and forth between there and Gulf Shores, Ala (Kenny Stabler country) a lot.  I still remember the "Welcome To Alabama, George Wallace Governor" sign at the border.  It was quite clear that the sign had taken some direct hits by a shot gun blast or two or three.  He was a good democrat, too ... until he wasn't ...
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 9:04am



 kurtster wrote:
People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is. 

He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.

That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
 
That's true. Most of the country didn't want him to begin with, and he's done an insignificant amount of improvement to change people's minds.

And, I'd hope he'd pick George Wallace! He's hysterical! I saw him interviewed by Patton Oswalt before the plague and it was lots of fun.




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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 8:59am

People are going to vote for Biden regardless of who his VP pick is. 

He could pick George Wallace (if he was still alive) and not lose a vote.

That is how strong the hate for Trump is.
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 8:36am



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Curious: he has been known to be prone to verbal “gaffes” throughout his career. Do you believe there is evidence of a recent cognitive impairment due perhaps to his age?
 
My 2 cents....yes.

Part of the issue (IMO) is that he is considering alternatives, options and impact in a response.  The older you get, the harder it is.  Pelosi is also slower, but that doesn't make the answers any more or less accurate/appropriate.    Impairment in the presentation doesn't correlate necessarily to poor decision making.  It would be really nice if Joe were 10 years younger....but that's not where we are.

Trump just blurts out the same rhetoric regardless of the question, so it's easy to appear quick.  He doesn't consider anything.  On a debate stage, I think Joe will be fine.  Any "slowness" he has will be more than overshadowed by DJT not answering questions, taking credit, and not taking responsibility.  Trump only answers questions now that include his accomplishment in the asking.  "When you enacted the ban on travel" or "when you approved the financial stimulus....".    If you start a question with "how" or "why"....he can't or won't answer.

The fact that the age of the 2 candidates is over 150 is bad for the country.  Obama isn't yet 60, and has been out of office for 3.5 years after serving 8.  We're going the wrong way.

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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 8:24am



 miamizsun wrote:
...

just looking at this from my perch he needs a solid vp candidate

...
 
He is in the very odd position of very possibly picking  President #47.  He has to pick the person who he feels is best suited to run the place if he can't...regardless of sex, race, age, anything.  

It's very possible that the shuttering of the US, and by default his campaign, has allowed him to relax a bit mentally.  Now that he's had his foot off the gas for so long, there is a real question if someone in their late 70's can turn it back on again.   If he picks a VP who people are comfortable with, he can get over the finish line.  If he picks someone who raises doubts and follows that with poor showings in debates or makes some significant blunders....things could get closer.

More Americans realize every day that Trump is the worst answer possible.   If he ever loses the white men 40-65 without a college degree demo...he'll have lost everyone.   I would guess 60% of Americans would prefer to spin a wheel for the next President than to repeat the last 4 years.  

I'm ready for 2020 to be over already.  The first half has totally sucked...and now we have to deal with a Presidential election.  
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Posted: Jun 27, 2020 - 8:10am



 miamizsun wrote:
confession time (thinking out-loud)

i don;t watch a lot of political stuff

the level of difficulty is tiring, especially for an old guy like me, who happens to be somewhat busy

(this includes 10-15 minutes to check several sources to see where it falls on the truth scale)

that said it does appear that sadly biden may have some cognitive issues

this isn't to mock him, his decades long record has plenty material for that

watching some of his interactions brings back some personal memories of dealing with someone in decline

could be some bias on my part, however i question the dems and why we couldn't have put forward a better candidate

there are better centrist candidates out there (i thought booker, bennet, etc.)

just looking at this from my perch he needs a solid vp candidate

preferably the best one available regardless

just cogitating a bit
 
Curious: he has been known to be prone to verbal “gaffes” throughout his career. Do you believe there is evidence of a recent cognitive impairment due perhaps to his age? 


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