Wait. What?
Oh. Of course, the other parties don't care about winning at all.
They ALL care about winning.
You seem to care about winning and defeating Kurt.
I like to win too.
It's not about winning anymore... it's about not losing.
Losing the opportunities I had...for my grandchildren
Losing the sense of community and support I had growing up
Losing the general lack of fear I had as a kid...to wander for hours in the woods...to hang out with friends...to have the only scary thing about school be the testing.
Losing the ability to be whomever I want... a privilege many haven't shared.
Losing the sense of responsibility for my own success or failure, and that of my kids.
The Republican party doesn't want to build anything anymore. It's about grievance and blame. Blaming Biden for inflation as silly as crediting Trump for "the greatest economy ever". Nobody in politics is doing much right now, so it's more about limiting the damage until we as a country pull our head out of our collective ass and start demanding action... reasonable, cooperative, negotiated, responsible action.
Maybe you picked up on the biggest difference of all... They care about winning above all, and I'm more worried about what we're losing.
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rgio wrote:
We've long passed that point where nothing matters because the Republican base only cares about winning. Yesterday is a perfect summary of just how stupid and pointless one-third of the nation is.
Wait. What?
Oh. Of course, the other parties don't care about winning at all.
They ALL care about winning.
You seem to care about winning and defeating Kurt.
I like to win too.
Running for President of the United States when you have never even been dogcatcher (and, yes, Iâm thinking of Jesse Jackson, too) is a reason to question someoneâs mental competence, if not at least their judgement.
I think that sort of hubris is common amongst men with success in the public eye. Ross Perot and Michael Bloomberg, far wealthier man than Drumpf, thought they could be POTUS.
But Donnie had no good reason to hold onto the original government documents. He knew that the feds were quite concerned about them and had been in frequent contact with him and his staff about returning them. The problem wasn't going to go away simply by ignoring them or dragging his feet.
He could have returned the originals after photocopying or photographing them for his ego. I'm guessing he could have taken most of the originals back out temporarily if he really wanted to. But he let the crisis build until the FBI searched his home. He had so many documents that he couldn't hide them all. He was a freakin' hoarder with seriously poor judgment and a near-compulsion to break the law.
So spare us the wishin'-and-a-hopin' whining about Biden's supposed decline, Kurt. I'd rather hear about John Durham or Obamagate from you.
The government documents case alone easily justifies questioning Trump's mental competence.
Running for President of the United States when you have never even been dogcatcher (and, yes, Iâm thinking of Jesse Jackson, too) is a reason to question someoneâs mental competence, if not at least their judgement.
Now that's the funniest thing you've ever posted. Well, except that it isn't funny you've convinced yourself it is true. He can barely put together a sentence. Not to mention that his defense against the charges against him in the election interference is basically that he was so out of it he believed his own bullshit, in spite of those explaining to him that he didn't have a leg to stand on.
The government documents case alone easily justifies questioning Trump's mental competence.
Now that's the funniest thing you've ever posted. Well, except that it isn't funny you've convinced yourself it is true. He can barely put together a sentence. Not to mention that his defense against the charges against him in the election interference is basically that he was so out of it he believed his own bullshit, in spite of those explaining to him that he didn't have a leg to stand on.
"Person, woman, man, camera, TV." I think that proves he's amazing.
-All the doctors-
clearly Trump and the others I have mentioned before are clearly still functioning with reasonable levels of cognitive abilities.
Now that's the funniest thing you've ever posted. Well, except that it isn't funny you've convinced yourself it is true. He can barely put together a sentence. Not to mention that his defense against the charges against him in the election interference is basically that he was so out of it he believed his own bullshit, in spite of those explaining to him that he didn't have a leg to stand on.
Predictable deflections, Quid pro Joe . You're just virtue signaling. No one here means it. 25th Amendment. He is physically unable to perform..
Back to the crickets ...
You are a walking projection machine. Your party is very proud of you.
I think it's clear most here don't want Biden to run again...but you want to ignore that and keep harping on his age.
I'd say you're better than that, but if I've learned anything in the past 7 years, it's that you're not. So dance around the fire with your party as you look for vindication, and continue supporting a well-documented crooked autocrat.
Two things there.
First, I have never said it was about his age and provided examples of sentient individuals much older. My thing has been only about his cognitive abilities. You and your side are the ones mentioning age in an attempt to tie that to Trump and disqualify him with that tag, when clearly Trump and the others I have mentioned before are clearly still functioning with reasonable levels of cognitive abilities. Biden is pretty much gone now, mentally and even more so, physically. His age is a factor, but it is not the reason for for his marked decline as everyone ages differently. If we had term limits in place, we would not be talking about Feinstein, Pelosi and McConnell.
Second, I have not seen an outpouring of sentiments here that Biden should not run again. A couple people have, but the majority sentiment I see expressed is that they will gladly vote for for Biden again to keep a republican out of the White House.
rgio wrote:
the Right celebrates the indictment of the POTUS's son on a weapons charge that is singular in the history of the country for its application. When the indictments are dismissed because he has a legal agreement, accepted in court by both sides before the plea deal fell apart, the Right will then scream about the unfair, biased, two-tiered legal system.....
So it's probably completely pointless to engage with Kurt and the other trolls. He's going to recite the incoherent, illogical, factless claims of oppression and corruption he's being fed. Projection is their weapon, and until enough of the ignorant die or are exposed (should facts ever return to fashion), it's probably pointless to argue. Show up and vote... and wait for the storm to pass by making sure it ends as quickly as possible.
Troll here addressing your concerns.
I have heard no celebrations of Hunter's indictments from the right. What I have seen is a lamented refrain that it is the only thing Hunter has been charged with that has no ties to Daddy. He was only charged due to the failure of his sweetheart plea deal that fell apart because of all the buried grants of immunity on any and all possible remaining cases underway or to be charged in the future. And before the statute of limitations on the felony gun charges ran out.
It seems that your presumption that Hunter's previous deal will stand is up in the air over a requirement regarding the probation officer in charge signing off on the deal. Seems that the officer never did. That is going to be up for contention.
What we have and only because of the gun charge are that there are some tax issues where the clock has yet to run out and they should be subject to indictment and they will have ties to Daddy. If Hunter did not have the gun problem, this all would have been stonewalled away until the statute of limitations had run out making any investigations impossible. that was the plan. The gun issue messed all of that up. Oh, and the repubs taking over the House so that there would be actual investigations.
The way I see things playing out is how I have understood things all along. The revelations are confirming my understanding. Most things you have said in the Bidens' defense are falling apart.
The only thing that remains unchanged is that you and all those who voted for Biden last time will again (knowing that they are actually voting for Kamala) in order to keep a repub out of the WH. No one here likes any of the candidates that have appeared in the repub debates.
So your plan remains the same. As does mine. You lock up Trump and we impeach Biden. The X factor is a strong third party candidate that more than likely will take votes away from Biden.
And with Biden's current approval numbers as seen below, there is a strong demand for a third party candidate.
We've long passed that point where nothing matters because the Republican base only cares about winning. Yesterday is a perfect summary of just how stupid and pointless one-third of the nation is.
After screaming about the "weaponization of the DOJ" in defense of treason, autocracy, and ignorance of the Constitution beyond the 2nd amendment, the Right celebrates the indictment of the POTUS's son on a weapons charge that is singular in the history of the country for its application. Never have the charges filed been done as the primary offense...NEVER. It's only ever been used in support of crimes actually committed using the weapon obtained with false documentation. If Don Jr. had done this after a coke binge...the NRA and every politician on the right would have taken to X and Fox and screamed about the deep states' attack on his First and Second Amendment rights in a targeted attack on his freedom.
When the indictments are dismissed because he has a legal agreement, accepted in court by both sides before the plea deal fell apart, the Right will then scream about the unfair, biased, two-tiered legal system.
Then Trump allows himself to be interviewed by Meghan Kelly (proof there is no low to the levels of humiliation one will endure for fame, power, and/or money) and literally confesses again to retaining documents against the law. He talks about the Presidential Records Act as if it's some sort of defense (hint for Kurt...it's not), and they ignore the fact he instructed his legal team to sign a letter saying he had returned everything (why bother if it's legal?), that he instructed his IT guy to delete tapes of the box storage/movement, and oh yeah...he's on tape stating that he shouldn't have the document in his hand by witnesses who attest to it. Nuclear secrets and the identities of undercover agents abroad floating around don't bother the right... it's the weaponization of the DOJ. America First!
The cherry on top is when Mitt Romney, a famous RINO and obvious fool, (the guy who actually built a company to become a billionaire without thousands of lawsuits for screwing everyone who ever tried to do business with him...that guy)... who is leaving politics because he can no longer deal with the kabuki theater of the right... freely expressing behind closed doors that they all know Trump is a crook and a threat to democracy, but supporting him on social media and in public out of fear that the base will take away their perceived power and perks. We all knew this...but when someone on the inside surrenders to the forces of stupidity, all hope is lost for the party.
So it's probably completely pointless to engage with Kurt and the other trolls. He's going to recite the incoherent, illogical, factless claims of oppression and corruption he's being fed. Projection is their weapon, and until enough of the ignorant die or are exposed (should facts ever return to fashion), it's probably pointless to argue. Show up and vote... and wait for the storm to pass by making sure it ends as quickly as possible.
Some polling data that's out of date and/or from a biased source.
"These latest data are from a June 1-22 Gallup poll, which began just as Congress was passing a bipartisan bill to raise the debt ceiling. Biden ultimately signed the bill on June 3, and the U.S. avoided defaulting on the federal debt. In other economic news, the nation’s unemployment rate remained below 4%, inflation showed signs of modest improvement, and the stock market’s performance was strong.
Biden’s 44% approval rating last August, which was his highest in 2022, also came after passing significant economic legislation — the Inflation Reduction Act.
Biden’s improved job rating is owed mostly to independents, whose approval grew from 33% in May to 41% now. This is the highest approval rating independents have given Biden since August 2021.
At the same time, Democrats’ 82% and Republicans’ 6% current ratings are statistically similar to last month’s ratings."
Yer out to lunch. Just WTF are you talking about ?
The data I posted from RCP is current as of between July 19, 2023 thru Sept 8 - 12, 2023.
The data you posted is older than mine and RCP is hardly from a biased source as it is the average of nearly all the major polls and names the polls and their specific data. They have opinion pieces but their polling averages are just that, averages from everywhere.
I guess that you are completely unfamiliar with Real Clear Politics and how they accumulate their data. Explains a lot.
Some polling data that's out of date and/or from a biased source.
"These latest data are from a June 1-22 Gallup poll, which began just as Congress was passing a bipartisan bill to raise the debt ceiling. Biden ultimately signed the bill on June 3, and the U.S. avoided defaulting on the federal debt. In other economic news, the nationâs unemployment rate remained below 4%, inflation showed signs of modest improvement, and the stock marketâs performance was strong.
Bidenâs 44% approval rating last August, which was his highest in 2022, also came after passing significant economic legislation — the Inflation Reduction Act.
Bidenâs improved job rating is owed mostly to independents, whose approval grew from 33% in May to 41% now. This is the highest approval rating independents have given Biden since August 2021.
At the same time, Democratsâ 82% and Republicansâ 6% current ratings are statistically similar to last monthâs ratings."
Republicans have already proven that...starting an impeachment inquiry without a house vote...and the democrats using the same excuses as the republicans had with trump
sow/reap....
Exclusive: Pelosi defends Trump impeachment approach in face of GOP inquiry into Biden
Former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Wednesday defended her approach to the first impeachment of then-President Donald Trump in 2019, in her first public comments on the Republican effort to launch an inquiry into President Joe Biden.
Pelosi, in an exclusive interview with CNNâs Anderson Cooper, denied having changed precedent in the chamber, as Republican House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has claimed in recent days to justify his strategy.
âHe is saying Nancy didnât bring a bill to the floor. We did,â Pelosi insisted to Cooper in an interview on âAC360.â
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As CNN previously reported, the speakerâs announcement âdirectingâ a House committee to open a formal inquiry into Biden meant there would be no floor vote to formally authorize the effort, according to a GOP source. Skipping an impeachment inquiry vote would mark a departure from McCarthyâs previous comments on the matter, but the speaker earlier Wednesday placed the blame squarely on his predecessor.
âNancy Pelosi changed the precedent of this House on September 24th. ⦠Why would it have to be different today?â he told CNNâs Manu Raju.
Pelosi shot back Wednesday, telling Cooper: âNo, itâs completely not true. We had a few weeks where we had to make our case and I assigned six committee chairs to get the information and the rest and that then prepared us to bring the bill to the floor. Theyâve had what nine months of collecting information, they have nothing.â
The House did hold a vote to launch the first impeachment inquiry into Trump, but about a month into probe. Pelosi announced a formal impeachment inquiry on September 24, 2019, but the House did not vote on the matter until October 31.
McCarthy, Pelosi said, likely does not have the votes to put an impeachment inquiry on the floor and so reversed course after he telling Breitbart News he would do so through a floor vote and not by a declaration.
Pelosi calls McCarthy's argument she changed precedent on impeachment 'hogwash'
During Pelosiâs interview on âMorning Joeâ on Thursday, co-anchor Willie Geist asked her about McCarthyâs argument that she had set a precedent and his claim that she had waited a long time before launching the inquiry.
Her answer: McCathyâs argument is âhogwashâ because Democrats did hold a vote supporting Trump's impeachment in a matter of weeks.
âI mean, itâs ridiculous,â Pelosi said. âAnd I donât know why the press keeps repeating it. The fact is, we said we were going to â I assigned my committee chairs, six of them, to develop the facts, because you have to act upon the facts. Thatâs a strange thing to say maybe around here, but you have to act upon the facts.â
Pelosi criticized Republicans for conducting months-long investigations into Biden and his family that have not produced evidence of wrongdoing by the president or connections between him and Hunter Bidenâs foreign business dealings.
âTheyâve had eight months of investigation come up with nothing, and now theyâre trying to say, 'Well, weâre not going to have a vote because Nancy didnât have a vote the first day,'â she said. âNo, we had a vote. We were in preparation for a vote.â
She stressed that when it comes to impeachment, âyou have to do it with care and not on impulse,â adding that House Democrats moved forward with impeaching Trump when they âhad the case ready.â
âNow they again have been investigating for months, coming up with nothing," Pelosi said. "And now theyâre going to say on the basis of nothing, âWeâre not going to have a vote on how we go forward.ââ
âDonât blame it on me,â she said. âJust take responsibility for what you were doing there, and donât misrepresent the care that we took, the respect that we had for the institution to go forward in a way that really addressed the high crimes and misdemeanors of Donald Trump.â
They alleged Trump âcorruptly solicited the government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigationsâ into the Bidens and fostered a conspiracy theory alleging Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election. Trump was impeached in December 2019 but was later acquitted in the Senate. The then-president denied wrongdoing and repeatedly called the inquiry a "witch hunt" by his political opponents.
I am wary of another 4 years of Biden as President because he would be 86 at the end of that term. I would say that about anyone who was in that position, so not just particular to Joe. In the main, I actually think the Biden administration has performed well to date.
Most people do think that Biden is doing well. It's just our enemies that are trying to undercut his work.
And Trump would be 83, so - really - there's no age advantage that would drive votes to the failed real estate salesman who made his daughter and son-in-law White House senior advisors when all three of them had absolutely no political experience.
I wish Pat Paulson were still alive, though; that would be fun.
You are a walking projection machine. Your party is very proud of you.
So let's say that somewhere the Republicans leading the impeachment find proof (to date, nothing like a recorded "perfect" phone call or rally directing his followers to stop the certification of an election with no "steal"). What happens next?
Trials? Prison?
You come out here pounding your chest like you've proven something, followed by a statement like "You don't mean it if you say you want him punished too".
You've got it backward (hard to believe for someone so worried about law and order). Republicans will give anything to somehow turn Biden into a criminal so you can continue to support Trump. LOOK! He's a criminal! You are supporting a criminal! You're no better than us!
That's where you're wrong. Bring proof, and I think most of the people here wouldn't support Biden. I think it's clear most here don't want Biden to run again...but you want to ignore that and keep harping on his age.
I'd say you're better than that, but if I've learned anything in the past 7 years, it's that you're not. So dance around the fire with your party as you look for vindication, and continue supporting a well-documented crooked autocrat.
Most people here (I believe) aren't really supporting Biden... they are aware of
the danger of the apparent alternative and would support almost anyone
on the planet to avoid 4 more years of "making us great again". The damage done will likely be irreparable.
Republicans have already proven that...starting an impeachment inquiry without a house vote...and the democrats using the same excuses as the republicans had with trump
sow/reap....
