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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:39am

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(...) but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.

Unless there's the threat of a socialist getting the Democratic nomination, in which case you'd feel compelled to vote (expediently) for the lesser evil alleged rapist (aka Trump)...
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:25am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

That's what I thought, that is what you did.  You did not even address anything I said.
 
Trump rule #3 - Project, gaslight, ignore, repeat until exhaustion sets in

 
I can't hear you, you should probably come closer:

 

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:17am

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And if he doesn't then all is lost just like the election before this and the one before that and the one before that and.............?  I think Trump is an ignorant buffoon, but my life has never been better under his administration.  Does this have anything to do with Trump and his policies?  Possibly, but probably not.  Take solace in this disconnect.  We will survive regardless of who is elected President and if we do go down, it will probably be due to something far greater than who is the American President say like a pandemic or something.
 
Oh, please.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 10:10am



 sirdroseph wrote:

That's what I thought, that is what you did.  You did not even address anything I said.
 
Trump rule #3 - Project, gaslight, ignore, repeat until exhaustion sets in

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:54am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Gymnastics team might have some openings after all this pandemic stuff blows over, you should check into that.
 
Trump rule #2 - When cornered by facts or logic, threaten a lawsuit, insult the other party, and/or ignore it and talk about something else.

 
That's what I thought, that is what you did.  You did not even address anything I said.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:22am



 sirdroseph wrote:

Gymnastics team might have some openings after all this pandemic stuff blows over, you should check into that.
 
Trump rule #2 - When cornered by facts or logic, threaten a lawsuit, insult the other party, and/or ignore it and talk about something else.

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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:16am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
you either believe the women or you don't....
 
That's correct, after hearing the evidence.  Her making a claim doesn't automatically make him guilty. 

He didn't say "all claims made by a woman are accurate and truthful".  He was acknowledging that it is generally hard to say things like this out loud, and so there is likely a reason.  When women said he was getting too close and making them uncomfortable, he accepted that their feelings were the only measure for that and apologized.  In this instance, when she's making very specific accusations about physical contact, he's saying it never happened.

I don't know who to believe...but don't we generally still believe in "Innocent til proven guilty"?  Worked for the Republicans.
 
Gymnastics team might have some openings after all this pandemic stuff blows over, you should check into that.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:15am

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The dems are very good at letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.  Biden will be the candidate.  Trump is a monumental disaster.  Biden must win for the good of the country and world.
 
And if he doesn't then all is lost just like the election before this and the one before that and the one before that and.............?  I think Trump is an ignorant buffoon, but my life has never been better under his administration.  Does this have anything to do with Trump and his policies?  Possibly, but probably not.  Take solace in this disconnect.  We will survive regardless of who is elected President and if we do go down, it will probably be due to something far greater than who is the American President say like a pandemic or something.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:14am



 sirdroseph wrote:
you either believe the women or you don't....
 
That's correct, after hearing the evidence.  Her making a claim doesn't automatically make him guilty. 

He didn't say "all claims made by a woman are accurate and truthful".  He was acknowledging that it is generally hard to say things like this out loud, and so there is likely a reason.  When women said he was getting too close and making them uncomfortable, he accepted that their feelings were the only measure for that and apologized.  In this instance, when she's making very specific accusations about physical contact, he's saying it never happened.

I don't know who to believe...but don't we generally still believe in "Innocent til proven guilty"?  Worked for the Republicans.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 9:04am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real."

Joe Biden during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh.
 
If you listen to Biden, he has never wavered on this point.  There seems to be some sort of "gotcha" by people saying this, which is blatantly wrong.  He still says that.

Starting from the presumption that something did indeed happen, you then have to look at the facts and circumstances of the situation.  Since there is likely never going to be a known set of agreed facts, it then comes down to who you believe.  

This is exactly why Democrats lose so much.  They destroy their own in the name of honesty and fairness, and the Republicans vote Idoit Pussygrabbing Satin into the white house to support their beliefs and desires at any cost.  Kavanaugh did something wrong 30 years ago....Republicans say "who cares".  Joe did something wrong 27 years ago...and the liberals want to execute him.  I'm not supporting assault and if something did happen he was wrong and should have been called out for it as a Senator, but the guy was VP for 8 years and she never thought "I should tell someone at this point"?  Now, post #metoo, the Republicans actually are encouraging a character debate because they know so many Democrats will fall on their sword for even the slightest possible infraction.   
 
Nice try buddy, but no dice.  I think that Trump, Kavanaugh, Clinton, Biden and many more of the accused have probably engaged in this type of behavior and have to do no calisthenics to explain this.   It is called being unencumbered by at all cost partisanship, you either believe the women or you don't. Now of course I am sure some women lie in some of these cases, but I agree with what Biden says above and have never wavered from this notion regardless of the political party of the accused. You should try it, there is no confusion.   If you try to make it more complicated than that then you should ask yourself why.  Also just an aside, if you were honest with yourself you could easily see all the above mentioned people engaging in this type of activity just by following their personalities and behaviors.  Just like Trump, Got knows Biden has plenty of red flags on video.  You either see it or you don't,  you should probably stay away from women claiming abuse subjects, seems to be too complicated for you.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 8:51am

 rgio wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real."

Joe Biden during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh.
 
If you listen to Biden, he has never wavered on this point.  There seems to be some sort of "gotcha" by people saying this, which is blatantly wrong.  He still says that.

Starting from the presumption that something did indeed happen, you then have to look at the facts and circumstances of the situation.  Since there is likely never going to be a known set of agreed facts, it then comes down to who you believe.  

This is exactly why Democrats lose so much.  They destroy their own in the name of honesty and fairness, and the Republicans vote Idoit Pussygrabbing Satin into the white house to support their beliefs and desires at any cost.  Kavanaugh did something wrong 30 years ago....Republicans say "who cares".  Joe did something wrong 27 years ago...and the liberals want to execute him.  I'm not supporting assault and if something did happen he was wrong and should have been called out for it as a Senator, but the guy was VP for 8 years and she never thought "I should tell someone at this point"?  Now, post #metoo, the Republicans actually are encouraging a character debate because they know so many Democrats will fall on their sword for even the slightest possible infraction.   
 
The dems are very good at letting the perfect become the enemy of the good.  Biden will be the candidate.  Trump is a monumental disaster.  Biden must win for the good of the country and world.
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 8:43am



 sirdroseph wrote:
"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real."

Joe Biden during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh.
 
If you listen to Biden, he has never wavered on this point.  There seems to be some sort of "gotcha" by people saying this, which is blatantly wrong.  He still says that.

Starting from the presumption that something did indeed happen, you then have to look at the facts and circumstances of the situation.  Since there is likely never going to be a known set of agreed facts, it then comes down to who you believe.  

This is exactly why Democrats lose so much.  They destroy their own in the name of honesty and fairness, and the Republicans vote Idoit Pussygrabbing Satin into the white house to support their beliefs and desires at any cost.  Kavanaugh did something wrong 30 years ago....Republicans say "who cares".  Joe did something wrong 27 years ago...and the liberals want to execute him.  I'm not supporting assault and if something did happen he was wrong and should have been called out for it as a Senator, but the guy was VP for 8 years and she never thought "I should tell someone at this point"?  Now, post #metoo, the Republicans actually are encouraging a character debate because they know so many Democrats will fall on their sword for even the slightest possible infraction.   
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Posted: May 2, 2020 - 6:57am

"For a woman to come forward in the glaring lights of focus, nationally, you've got to start off with the presumption that at least the essence of what she's talking about is real."

Joe Biden during confirmation hearings for Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh.
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Posted: May 1, 2020 - 10:49am


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Posted: Mar 27, 2020 - 4:56pm

Thank you Antigone! That is the most meaningful thing I’ve read in a while, a positive reflection on Mr.Biden that for me carries a much needed healing and hopeful essence. Thank you 🙏
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Posted: Mar 27, 2020 - 2:24pm

The story I’m about to share with you about Joe Biden is special — in fact, I’m fairly certain I’m the only living person left who actually witnessed it firsthand.

It was about 16 years ago, and I was a young rabbi, brand-new to Delaware, on my way to lead a shiva minyan — a worship service following a death of a Jewish person. I was from California. Back then, I didn’t know Claymont, Delaware from Scranton, Pennsylvania.

A quick bit of background: When someone passes away in the Jewish faith, we observe seven days of mourning, called shiva. We gather a group of ten Jewish adults together — a minyan — to say the Mourners’ Kaddish. It usually happens in a person’s home — somewhere intimate.

In this case, the deceased individual — her name was Mrs. Greenhouse, of blessed memory — had not been a person of means. She had lived in rent-controlled senior housing in a tall high-rise building off of Namaans Road. Her apartment had been too small to fit everyone into, so we conducted our worship service in the building’s communal laundry room, in the basement of the high-rise.

We assembled the ten elders together, and it was in this most humble of places that I began to lead the kaddish. Toward the end of the service, a door at the back of the laundry room opened, and who walks in but Senator Joe Biden, his head lowered, all by himself.

I nearly dropped my prayer book in shock.

Senator Biden stood quietly in the back of the room for the duration of the service.

At the close of the kaddish, I walked over to him and asked the same question that must have been on everyone else’s mind: “Senator Biden — what are you doing here?”

And he said to me: “Listen, back in 1972, when I first ran for Senate, Mrs. Greenhouse gave $18 to my first campaign. Because that’s what she could afford. And every six years, when I’d run for reelection, she’d give another $18. She did it her whole life. I’m here to show my respect and gratitude.”

Now, the number 18 is

significant in the Jewish faith — its numbers spell out the Hebrew word chai, as in “to life, to life, l’chayim!” But it’s also a humble amount. Joe Biden knew that. And he respected that. There were no news outlets at our service that day — no Jewish reporters or important dignitaries. Just a few elderly mourners in a basement laundry room.

Joe Biden didn’t come to that service for political gain. He came to that service because he has character. He came to that service because he’s a mensch.

And if we need anything right now when it comes to the leadership of our country — we need a mensch.

I know this is such a simple, small story. But I tell it to as many people as will listen to me.

Because I think that, in their heart of hearts, when people are trying to think about the decision they’ll make this year — this is the kind of story that matters.

Joe Biden is a mensch. We need a mensch.

Thanks for reading.

 

— Rabbi Michael Beals of Delaware

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Posted: May 3, 2019 - 11:27am



 kurtster wrote:
 
Such is the fate of Donald Trump ...

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But back to Biden ...  He may not last long as it becomes the democrats turn to face scrutiny over what they did in the 2016 election.  Something that they have been able to avoid so far.
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NYT ran a devastating piece on Biden's self-dealing in Ukraine. So why is the headline about Trump?

and the actual article in question ... readable as the NYT paywall is down until May 5th

Biden Faces Conflict of Interest Questions That Are Being Promoted by Trump and Allies

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What goes around comes around ...


 

so, if we believe the right's narrative, we just got out of witch hunt, but lets turn the tables and start one of our own.  rinse, lather, repeat...
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Posted: May 3, 2019 - 11:10am



 kurtster wrote:
kcar wrote:

 
You could whittle down each and every candidate into a shady puppet. You have ... when you  ... you're voting.....

if you don't have allies in Congress and the judicial branch, you're not going to get much done as president.
 
 
 
Such is the fate of Donald Trump ...

.
But back to Biden ...  He may not last long as it becomes the democrats turn to face scrutiny over what they did in the 2016 election.  Something that they have been able to avoid so far.
.
NYT ran a devastating piece on Biden's self-dealing in Ukraine. So why is the headline about Trump?

and the actual article in question ... readable as the NYT paywall is down until May 5th

Biden Faces Conflict of Interest Questions That Are Being Promoted by Trump and Allies

.
What goes around comes around ...


 

It's . . . 

It's . . . 


It's the Uranium One faux scandal all over again!!
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Posted: May 2, 2019 - 6:40pm

kcar wrote:

 
You could whittle down each and every candidate into a shady puppet. You have ... when you  ... you're voting.....

if you don't have allies in Congress and the judicial branch, you're not going to get much done as president.
 
 
 
Such is the fate of Donald Trump ...

.
But back to Biden ...  He may not last long as it becomes the democrats turn to face scrutiny over what they did in the 2016 election.  Something that they have been able to avoid so far.
.
NYT ran a devastating piece on Biden's self-dealing in Ukraine. So why is the headline about Trump?

and the actual article in question ... readable as the NYT paywall is down until May 5th

Biden Faces Conflict of Interest Questions That Are Being Promoted by Trump and Allies

.
What goes around comes around ...


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Posted: May 2, 2019 - 4:40pm



 haresfur wrote:
Biden would make a great Vice President 
 


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