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Posted: May 3, 2010 - 1:32pm
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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 - 7:35am
sirdroseph wrote: I am getting a stinger. Only I will have to bide my time shooting birds and small airplanes that fly low enough until I can afford some drones for skeet shooting. I just don't get it. Couldn't imagine killing another human, or an animal like that.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 - 7:31am
Alpine wrote: I know of no data to back this up, but I'll bet you $ 1.00 that there are more un-reported crimes detered by people carrying guns than we will ever know. My wife is getting a 9mm for Christmas. I am getting a stinger. Only I will have to bide my time shooting birds and small airplanes that fly low enough until I can afford some drones for skeet shooting.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 - 7:03am
Alpine wrote: I know of no data to back this up, but I'll bet you $ 1.00 that there are more un-reported crimes detered by people carrying guns than we will ever know. My wife is getting a 9mm for Christmas. Cos yeah, more guns is the solution.

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Posted: Apr 21, 2010 - 6:28am

kurtster wrote:

This is what happens when we run out of money :

Ashtabula County: One sheriff's cruiser for the entire county

Updated: 2/4/2010 10:39:40 AM Posted: 2/3/2010 6:13:06 PM

ASHTABULA COUNTY - At 720 square miles, Ashtabula is Ohio's biggest county. And starting today (Wednesday), the sheriff's department has all of one cruiser - with two deputies - responding to emergencies.

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Amid cuts, Ohio judge tells citizens to carry guns

WKYC video with judge speaking

Edit : I believe someone once remarked, that it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

Ashtabula county is only a couple counties over from me. The county I live in (Lorain county) has also experienced severe cutbacks in the sheriff's department though not as bad as Ashtabula. We could very well be in the same situation in a year or so.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:28pm
I know of no data to back this up, but I'll bet you $ 1.00 that there are more un-reported crimes detered by people carrying guns than we will ever know. My wife is getting a 9mm for Christmas.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 7:41pm

hippiechick wrote:

I live in a city where there is gun/gang violence in the near neighborhoods. IMO getting a gun is a real over reaction, esp if it is gang violence. Stay out of their hoods, and they won't bother you.

and in the Tea Party thread

hippiechick wrote:
Oh yeah, and all those guns on the street, without police protection. {#Stupid}

This is what happens when we run out of money :

Ashtabula County: One sheriff's cruiser for the entire county

Updated: 2/4/2010 10:39:40 AM Posted: 2/3/2010 6:13:06 PM

CLEVELAND - One judge's solution for citizens feeling less secure because of budget cuts in an Ohio county: Carry a gun.

Judge Alfred Mackey of Ashtabula County Common Pleas Court advised residents Friday to be vigilant and arm themselves because the number of deputies has been cut about in half because of a tight budget. He also urged neighbors to organize anti-crime block watch groups.

"They have to be law-abiding, and if they are not familiar with firearms they need to take a safety course so they are not a threat to their family and friends and themselves," Mackey said Friday.

Mackey, whose comments were first broadcast Thursday by WKYC-TV in Cleveland, was expressing concerns with budget cuts that have trimmed the sheriff's department from 112 to 49 deputies in the county, which is Ohio's largest by land area.

Asked by WKYC how people should respond to the cuts and limited patrols, he said, "Arm themselves. Be very careful and just be vigilant because we're going to have to look after each other."

Andrew Pollis, who teaches law at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, saw the original TV clip of Mackey and said it was clear the judge wasn't advocating vigilantism.

Still, Pollis said, snippets of the comments could be misunderstood "as a license, if you will, to engage in conduct which we as a society collectively would not want."

In Akron, Summit County Common Pleas Judge Patricia Cosgrove, president-elect of the Ohio Common Pleas Judges Association, said she was surprised by Mackey's suggestion.

"That's scary to me," she said. "I don't know what the situation in Ashtabula County is. I personally would never - that's a personal choice in terms of carrying a weapon."

With deputies assigned to transport prisoners and serve warrants, only one radio car is assigned to patrol the county of 720 square miles, excluding municipalities with police departments. The sheriff's patrol area covers most of the county, the judge said Friday.

Mackey said the response to his comments has been positive in the mostly rural county between Cleveland and Erie, Pa.

"People in this county are hunters," said Mackey, who grew up on a farm with rifles and still owns firearms. "People have familiarity with firearms."

Messages seeking comment on the judge's remarks were left for Sheriff William Johnson and county commissioners.

Johnson has threatened to sue the commissioners to have some of his department's funding restored.

The jail in the county of about 100,000 people has held as many as 140 prisoners, but the number has dipped to about 30 because of reductions in the guard staff. About 700 people are on a waiting list to serve time in the jail.

Ohio has had a concealed handgun law for five years, and from October to December the Ashtabula County sheriff issued 54 licenses. Twenty-eight licenses were renewed.

http://www.wkyc.com/video/default.aspx?bctid=64725628001

Edit : I believe someone once remarked, that it's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 12:22pm

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Lindsey Graham Gay? Conservative Group ALIPAC Demands Senator 'Admit Homosexuality'

That is just despicable, I am not fan of Graham by any stretch, but quite frankly, it is no one's business what his sexuality is, even if his policies are hypocritical. Representatives should be judged by their policy stances and voting records only and there is plenty enough there to dislike Graham based on that alone. However, one thing you can say is this idiot is being non-partisan in his sophmoric and anitquated beliefs! {#Rolleyes}

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 11:52am
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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 9:19am
hippiechick wrote: It's your fear factor that determines whether or not you need a gun, not the actual reality of the situation. It wouldn't be fear driving me but just a sense of being prepared. "I've found that it is better to have a gun and not need it then to need a gun and not have it" - Clarence Worley "True Romance"

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 9:09am

cc_rider wrote:

That was a law-enforcement policy known as the 'self-cleaning oven'. Unfortunately it did not work: the areas that were left to the criminal element eventually became so burned-out that the scumbags moved away from the war zones, spreading out into neighboring areas. Crime statistics reveal a series of rings, as crime spread outward from the burned-out core.

Chicago has an extremely serious gang problem. The reasons are extremely complicated. And of course, the violence has spread to different neighborhoods, and some burbs, but I am sorry to say that the biggest problems come from the black and Hispanic hoods.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 9:05am

hippiechick wrote:

I live in a city where there is gun/gang violence in the near neighborhoods. IMO getting a gun is a real over reaction, esp if it is gang violence. Stay out of their hoods, and they won't bother you.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 9:03am

mzpro5 wrote:

So let's cede all our rights to travel within our neighborhoods to gun-toting thugs? I wouldn't directly confront these guys but I'll be darned if I am going to plan my daily travel route to avoid a main area of town or cower in my house if it were to come to that.

This is a developing situation in our small city of 50,000 and people are demanding action from our city officials and police but I still think it wouldn't hurt to have a nice shotgun in the house. Never should have got rid of the one I had.

NO, but Chi you know that you don't go into some hoods without good reason, because you could get caught in fire of a drive by shooting or gang action. But I have done volunteer work in Englewood, one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in the city, and I never felt that my life was in danger. The danger to you is much much less than you actually imagine. It's your fear factor that determines whether or not you need a gun, not the actual reality of the situation.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:59am

hippiechick wrote:

I live in a city where there is gun/gang violence in the near neighborhoods. IMO getting a gun is a real over reaction, esp if it is gang violence. Stay out of their hoods, and they won't bother you.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:52am

mzpro5 wrote:

I didn't mean to imply that people shouldn't have guns. I just don't see a need to carry them around at a public event/demonstration.

I have been considering getting a gun for home protection as there is growing gun violence in the area. Not my immediate neighborhood but within a half mile or so.

I live in a city where there is gun/gang violence in the near neighborhoods. IMO getting a gun is a real over reaction, esp if it is gang violence. Stay out of their hoods, and they won't bother you.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:50am

DaveInVA wrote:

Sometimes you need a gun. I found out this guy that knocked me out was also a suspect in a murder.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:43am

Danimal174 wrote:

Some pistols are designed to be carried 'cocked and locked', with a round in the chamber. FN-Herstal has a new system called 'SFS' (Safe Fast Shooting) which de-cocks the hammer after a round is chambered: de-activating the safety sets the hammer to full cock. It can be retrofitted to 1911s and most High Powers.

In an emergency situation, stopping to chamber a round is not always practical: carrying with a chambered round ensures the shooter is ready. However, pistols seem to be going to a DA/SA design, where the first trigger pull chambers and fires, subsequent pulls just fire. Which has drawbacks too: the first trigger pull is much heavier, which can lead to stray shots. So it's a series of trade-offs. Which is less safe: carrying with a chambered round, or firing an errant first shot? Ask three experts, you're likely to get four different answers.

Of course this doesn't apply to older 'blowback' pistols: they should NEVER be carried with a chambered round, 'cause they're WAY too easy to accidentally fire. The Browning M1910/1922 is one example, while the 1911 and High Power are more modern designs and can be safely carried with a round chambered.

<gun nerd mode> off

No matter what kind of iron they're packing, any protesters, of any stripe, who arrive at an event armed, are inviting a dangerous confrontation. Bad juju, mon. If things continue apace, there's gonna be some kind of violence soon, and the whole thing will devolve from an issue of political protest to one of public safety. At that point all 'free speech' arguments cease, and people start getting arrested.

c.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:33am

mzpro5 wrote:

These are a small minority of gun owners and they either are extremely insecure or like little boys that want to show off their toys or both.

I used to live in such a bad area that I got robbed 8 times in 6 months. I started carrying a loaded gun around the house and wore it in plain sight on my belt when doing yard work. I never brandished it or threatened anyone. The cops never bothered me either as long as it was in plain sight. My outside gun was a huge 50 cal black powder revolver. I never got bothered again. I lived across from a city park that had been taken over by homeless people and hoods. They'd hang around there all day and rob people driving by and breaking into homes at night. One time someone broke in before I got the gun and when I caught him he started hitting me with a flashlight and then ran away. Another time I was carrying groceries in from the car and someone came up from behind and hit me on the head with a garden rock and knocked me out. My hearing in my left ear was messed up for months. Sometimes you need a gun. I found out this guy that knocked me out was also a suspect in a murder.

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:23am

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So, here's my two cents concerning people bringing guns to rallies, protests, etc. First off, let me start by saying that I support everyone's right to own a gun. Heck, I own three. I am also okay with people walking around with their guns, assuming they are doing so responsibly (i.e. either not loaded, safety on, or both). No one should ever walk around with a round in the chamber for any reason. (Not saying that those who are bringing their guns to these rallies have a round chambered...I just got off on a tangent there for a second to make an important point). I don't personally ever walk around with mine (they stay in my range bag and case unless I'm at the range), but that's just me.

I'm a little worried about the message that bringing a gun to a protest rally could be sending, i.e. the beginnings of some attempt at organizing a militia to overthrow the government. Yes, I'm reaching there, and I'm not saying that is the intent of those bringing their guns to protests, but why else would they feel the need to bring them? Are they really expecting to need to use their weapons at the rally? Are they worried about things getting out of hand that badly, i.e. Kent State? Are they not worried about the idea of bringing a firearm into what I'm guessing is already an emotionally charged event (i.e. the folks bringing theirs to the town hall meetings a few months ago)?

I'm hoping that this trend doesn't end up leading to some nutcase bringing a gun to one of these rallies (or, some nutcase at a rally taking a gun from someone who brought one) and actually using it. (To clarify, I'm not calling everyone who brings a gun to a rally a nutcase...just making the statement that there are people out there, on both sides of the fence, who are unbalanced enough to use a firearm in a public place.)

When I was in h.s. I had a sociology teacher who used to go off on tangents all the time, and he used to say, "If you want to kill somebody, just get them really pissed off and give them the car keys."

A large group of angry people with guns? 99.9% of them could be responsible gun owners, but I don't want to be standing next to the one who isn't. And we are all familiar with mob mentality.

I was at the Kent State shootings, standing at the bottom of the hill, and I can tell you, it only took one of those guys shooting his gun off that led to 4 children dead, and 11 more injured. (Of the 4 dead, only one was actually participating in the rally, the rest were just walking by.)

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Posted: Apr 20, 2010 - 8:22am

Danimal174 wrote:

So, here's my two cents concerning people bringing guns to rallies, protests, etc. First off, let me start by saying that I support everyone's right to own a gun. Heck, I own three. I am also okay with people walking around with their guns, assuming they are doing so responsibly (i.e. either not loaded, safety on, or both). No one should ever walk around with a round in the chamber for any reason. (Not saying that those who are bringing their guns to these rallies have a round chambered...I just got off on a tangent there for a second to make an important point). I don't personally ever walk around with mine (they stay in my range bag and case unless I'm at the range), but that's just me.

I'm a little worried about the message that bringing a gun to a protest rally could be sending, i.e. the beginnings of some attempt at organizing a militia to overthrow the government. Yes, I'm reaching there, and I'm not saying that is the intent of those bringing their guns to protests, but why else would they feel the need to bring them? Are they really expecting to need to use their weapons at the rally? Are they worried about things getting out of hand that badly, i.e. Kent State? Are they not worried about the idea of bringing a firearm into what I'm guessing is already an emotionally charged event (i.e. the folks bringing theirs to the town hall meetings a few months ago)?

I'm hoping that this trend doesn't end up leading to some nutcase bringing a gun to one of these rallies (or, some nutcase at a rally taking a gun from someone who brought one) and actually using it. (To clarify, I'm not calling everyone who brings a gun to a rally a nutcase...just making the statement that there are people out there, on both sides of the fence, who are unbalanced enough to use a firearm in a public place.)

These are a small minority of gun owners and they either are extremely insecure or like little boys that want to show off their toys or both.

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