Arizona Goes 'Birther'? Nearly Half Of State Legislators Want To See Obama's Birth Certificate Before 2012 Run

 kurtster wrote: 

 owchlaw wrote: 
That's almost right.

 Argonaut wrote: 
Got yer undies in a bunch ?  If context matters (around here it rarely does anymore, but wtf), then you need to really do some backscrolling to understand the context of my question.  It was posed last year or several pages ago or something like that.  Merely asking someone why they found it offensive to hear Obama being called a Socialist.  I do not in any way advocate or support Socialism as a way of living in these United States.  The same for Facism.  Or any form of extremism for that matter.

From what I can see has happened, Bush set the table for Obama to belly up to and continue.  Bush initiated the TARP Fund which most importantly gave the Treasury brand new unlimited powers to intervene and interfer in the economy.  Bush also helped initiate the Patriot Act which gave the Federal Government a brand new set of powers to interfer and intervene in everday life here in the States and in citizens daily life in the name of Security.  Obama has basically nationalized the banking system, taken over the Auto Industry, and with his blessings, Rep. Frank gave Freddie and Fannie a blank check to oversee its ownership of half of the housing stock in this country.  In essence, the government owns half of the houses in America.  That is taking over businesses and private property in my book.  Seems to be taking over production, distribution and financing in this country.  That's most of your definition of Socialism.  And now he wants to nationalize Health Care.  Looks like a duck to me.

Want to label me ?  Call me a Constuctionist as in the Constitution.  That's how I see myself.  I have a narrow view of what the Constitution allows and provides for.  Settled law is that, yet I object to further weakening of the Constitution in the name of Security and Economic policies.  Want to engage me on those terms ?  Step right up and take your best swing, I can handle it.

 jadewahoo wrote: 
I beg to differ with you, Argonaut.  Socialism is an economic system whereby the means of production is publically owned and the ends are privately owned.  Communism is public ownership of both.  To suggest they are one in the same is incorrect.  Implementation of pure socialism, pure communism or pure capitalism is simply not possible.  All economic systems are hybrid to some degree.  Aspects of our traditional capitalistic system have always, by necessity, had socialistic features (police, fire, public utilities, etc.).  Likewise, the economic systems of China and the Soviet Union, often described as "communist" have had some capitalistic components.   You also confuse political systems (dictatorship and fascism) with economic theory.  Fascism doesn't always go hand in hand with socialism or communism.  Largely capitalistic systems can exist with fascim (see GW Bush administration 2000-2008).

 Coaxial wrote:
 
Um yeah. "If idiots are a dime a dozen, I wanna find the guy who's supplying the dimes."

 hippiechick wrote: 

Is there just a long line of these idiots waiting to step forward and be stamped MORON?

 Argonaut wrote:Argonaut

Fascist NeoCon worlwide...

As an avowed Fascist, you are certainly posting in the right forum thread.

 hippiechick wrote: 
Brilliant.  I wonder what he thought of Timothy McVeigh.

Rep. King Justifies Suicide Attack On IRS: Sympathizes With Hatred Of IRS, Hopes For Its Destruction

 Monkeysdad wrote:  Maybe it just means that you aren't all the rightwinger you thought you were.

 hippiechick wrote: 

Socialist,...maybe; but Racist or Non-Citizen? Never.
Sounds like a skewed poll that plays right into Ariana's court.

Large Portion Of GOP Thinks Obama Is Racist, Socialist, Non-U.S. Citizen: Poll

Pat Robertson: Haiti 'Cursed' By 'Pact To The Devil' (VIDEO)

And Rush Limbaugh says that Obama is working the Haiti crisis to gain favor among black people.

 jadewahoo wrote: 
Jeez, its so good to be back to initials again.  Its heart warming.  DDE, JFK, LBJ, RMH.  I so missed them.  I guess we are getting into splitting RCH's (a bona fide measurement in the construction trades). 

I've long said the BHO would be like GWB on steroids.  That's all I got on this one right now.  But damn, its great to go back to initials !

 kurtster wrote:Uhhhmmm... because he isn't even close to being one? His policies have been to the right of JFK and LBJ, embracing of many Republican talking points. He is a Corporatist. Ok, so Corporatists are Socialists, only not what the likes of mk and you mean by Socialist. Classic  (leftist) Socialism is where the government manages all the resources of a nation and meets the needs of all its peoples (ostensibly) through the redistribution of those resources. Corporate Socialism is where government, by decree, establishes coportate profit as policy. It assigns to the corporations the meeting of the needs of the people (ostensibly) through the mandatory participation of its citizens in the the profit-based services that those industries provide. This is a Right Wing agenda, as put into practice by Mussolini, lifted to status of official policy in the USA by GWB and continued by BHO.

 musik_knut wrote:You say that like it is a bad thing.

 musik_knut wrote: 
Oh, I see.

 hippiechick wrote: 

but not of the Saul Alinksy School of Community Organizing of which President Obama is an ardent advocate and former teacher of that radical left wing thought.

The Tea Baggers have decided that the best way to grow is to use a grassroots movement in areas. Know what those grassroots people are called?

COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS!!