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Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 8:17pm

 steeler wrote:


 Casting teachers and school board members as enemies.


exactly
Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 7:43pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


In a state that is already 49th in education, teachers in Oklahoma are leaving by the hundreds because they are paid shit and treated like shit. Where our secretary of education is all about banning books and suppressing free speech.


and doctors leaving Idaho because they're trying to force-legislate healthcare denial for others, instead of helping to provide health care, food, shelter, etc

Idaho hospital will stop delivering babies as doctors flee state due to abortion ban

“The Idaho legislature continues to introduce and pass bills that criminalize physicians for medical care nationally recognized as the standard of care,”

steeler

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 7:43pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


In a state that is already 49th in education, teachers in Oklahoma are leaving by the hundreds because they are paid shit and treated like shit. Where our secretary of education is all about banning books and suppressing free speech.


 Casting teachers and school board members as enemies.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 7:40pm

 steeler wrote:

Indeed. What is funny/ironic is those who decry these educators and school board members purportedly trying to indoctrinate children and usurping what they see as the role of parents are calling for one form of government to enact laws prohibiting this other form of government from running the schools in ways in which they disagree  â€” all in the name of individual freedom. 






In a state that is already 49th in education, teachers in Oklahoma are leaving by the hundreds because they are paid shit and treated like shit. Where our secretary of education is all about banning books and suppressing free speech.
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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 7:29pm

 rgio wrote:

Aren't the vast majority of school boards elected?  If so, wouldn't they be representing the majority of their constituents? 

. . .

Some parents think kids should use firearms.  Some parents feel that physical education classes shouldn't be mandatory.  School boards have to decide what's best for their students, and parents may not always like all of the details.  There are options if you are truly opposed, but one of them isn't avoiding everything you don't like because your child is "special".

Indeed. What is funny/ironic is those who decry these educators and school board members purportedly trying to indoctrinate children and usurping what they see as the role of parents are calling for one form of government to enact laws prohibiting this other form of government from running the schools in ways in which they disagree  â€” all in the name of individual freedom, free from governmental interference.

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 5:50pm

 rgio wrote:
 avoiding everything you don't like because your or your child is "special".


This whole philosophy of "I don't have to do what the majority says because; just because," seems to be pervasive in the current RightWingNutz party. It starts with the schools being bad somehow (you know, they have those people in them), so they need to set up their own so they don't have to hear a differing perspective.
Fast forward to them shouting about elections not being fair - when they were; it's just that they don't react well to losing.
Then there's the violent attack on Congress to prevent the Constitution from being upheld because they didn't like the outcome.
And the childishness of walking around brandishing guns to show they really mean business. As if they haven't thought through to step two: ending up in prison where they get to face some real badasses who've truly known violence and frustration in their lives.

And, as a more concrete example, there's that whiny Song of Secession that we hear from members of the GOP when they can't handle being the minority.
This is exemplified by the wish of Eastern Oregon to merge into Idaho. Those "freedom loving Americans" can't abide by what the rest of the state is doing, so - rather than move their shacks - they want the guvmint to fix it for them and move the Idaho border to suit them. This is, obviously, the essence of snowflakes in Oregon.

And notice - I'm primarily talking about what they've done after that incompetent failed real estate salesman - who cheated on all his wives and put his kids on White House staff - left office. Remember: HE was their best option. That epitomizes the values of the GOP.
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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 2:22pm

 dmiley wrote:
The government (school boards and educators) have one set of opinions while the parents have their own. As a parent, and having my own experiences growing up in the '60's and 70's vis-a-vie educational exposure, I all for keeping children as ignorant for as long as I can. In this case, sexual education (of any kind) for third graders and below is inappropriate. 

Aren't the vast majority of school boards elected?  If so, wouldn't they be representing the majority of their constituents? 

How many active shooter drills did you do in school?  Which porn sites did you visit when you were in elementary school?  How many social media profiles did you have in middle school?  How many married gay teachers did you have?

The answer to them all is obviously zero.  The world is different, and hiding from the realities that kids face every day won't make them go away.  It's not indoctrination or grooming, it's information.  Parents are free to discuss these issues at their own pace, but they can't assume the rest of the world is going to wait until they're ready for their kids to be exposed.

Finally, the term Sex-Ed doesn't accurately represent the curriculum for students below high school.  Up to third grade, it's mostly around an understanding of personal space, emotions, and respect for others.  From 3rd to 5th or 6th it's primarily about relationships.  Boundaries.  The later part of middle school is about physical differences and what that means for puberty.   These lessons are mostly about NOT being groomed.  About telling kids that they are the only ones who can determine what's right for them and that they shouldn't do anything that makes them uncomfortable with anyone.

Some parents think kids should use firearms.  Some parents feel that physical education classes shouldn't be mandatory.  School boards have to decide what's best for their students, and parents may not always like all of the details.  There are options if you are truly opposed, but one of them isn't avoiding everything you don't like because your child is "special".
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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 1:55pm

 dmiley wrote:


Sure, let me explain my purpose for contributing to this discussion. Although I thought that was obvious. I saw that there was a misrepresentation of the facts of the legislation, presumably to stoke its opposition. It was reported that the law prevented children from discussing the menstrual cycle among themselves, and it does no such thing. I don't think we need any more false narratives out there in the world. Personally, I believe the reason this subject has become so contentious is because the government has interjected itself into a topic that has historically, and appropriately in my opinion, been the purview of the family. It is precisely because each family has it's own opinions on the appropriate age and breathe of sexual education that we find ourselves here. The government (school boards and educators) have one set of opinions while the parents have their own. As a parent, and having my own experiences growing up in the '60's and 70's vis-a-vie educational exposure, I all for keeping children as ignorant for as long as I can. In this case, sexual education (of any kind) for third graders and below is inappropriate. 



Sure, you seem to be arguing the right is just pushing back against the overreaches from the left on these types of issues...and while there are a handful or anecdotal examples where maybe certain players are overreaching, the larger issue is attempting to protect kids while they are in school.  Throwing the whole argument out the window (we don't need to ever discuss sexuality in grade school), or worse, passing these types of laws  seems ignorant and incompetent....and only plays into the extreme cultural war positions. Rather, we need to find effective solutions to the underlying problems those on the left are at least attempting to address. 

So please come back with an argument besides no, we don't want or need this.
dmiley

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 12:51pm

 Steely_D wrote:

BTW, if elected lawmakers aren't focusing on adequate food, housing, healthcare, and infrastructure for their constituents - but revving their engines about drag shows and legislating what docs can/can't do - then they're traitors, making things worse for all of us instead of better.

Don't let them distract you with piffle: if they're telling you that they can bail out giant banks and pay for perpetual war, then they're lying about not being able to provide necessities for Americans that need them.



I am way more libertarian than that, and the absolute last place I look to address the ills that afflict me personally or society at large is a government. Except, of course, when the government is the source of the harm.

dmiley

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 12:44pm

 Steely_D wrote:

Actually, I go to a lot of trouble to not personally insult posters. We're all here because we dig William's station, and have a lot of other convos, so we tend to mingle. And I don't see anything in there about you personally. I'm talking about the stance that teaching young kids about their bodies shouldn't be done. 

Want to take another swing at a response? If not, then I think I can make assumptions, right?



Sure, let me explain my purpose for contributing to this discussion. Although I thought that was obvious. I saw that there was a misrepresentation of the facts of the legislation, presumably to stoke its opposition. It was reported that the law prevented children from discussing the menstrual cycle among themselves, and it does no such thing. I don't think we need any more false narratives out there in the world. Personally, I believe the reason this subject has become so contentious is because the government has interjected itself into a topic that has historically, and appropriately in my opinion, been the purview of the family. It is precisely because each family has it's own opinions on the appropriate age and breathe of sexual education that we find ourselves here. The government (school boards and educators) have one set of opinions while the parents have their own. As a parent, and having my own experiences growing up in the '60's and 70's vis-a-vie educational exposure, I all for keeping children as ignorant for as long as I can. In this case, sexual education (of any kind) for third graders and below is inappropriate. 

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 11:18am

BTW, if elected lawmakers aren't focusing on adequate food, housing, healthcare, and infrastructure for their constituents - but revving their engines about drag shows and legislating what docs can/can't do - then they're traitors, making things worse for all of us instead of better.

Don't let them distract you with piffle: if they're telling you that they can bail out giant banks and pay for perpetual war, then they're lying about not being able to provide necessities for Americans that need them.
dmiley

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 11:09am

 islander wrote:


I mean maybe there is a weird stretch where you get it to mean that, but generally: 

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.






Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech. Where's the stretch?

Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 11:08am

 dmiley wrote:
Your response makes a lot of assumptions about who I am, what I believe and what motivates me. Good job attacking that straw man.

Actually, I go to a lot of trouble to not personally insult posters. We're all here because we dig William's station, and have a lot of other convos, so we tend to mingle. And I don't see anything in there about you personally. I'm talking about the stance that teaching young kids about their bodies shouldn't be done. 

Want to take another swing at a response? If not, then I think I can make assumptions, right?

kcar

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 10:12am

 Isabeau wrote:


  Well said.




Yes indeed! Thanks.

So many sorts of BS and efforts to control others have  been justified by the stated desire to protect someone or some group. Blacks were kept in their place to protect the honor of White women or genteel society (jazz, that devil music). William F. Buckley once mused that equal rights and civil rights movements were moving too fast, creating the risk that Blacks unprepared for new freedoms and rights would be taken advantage of. Anti-abortion groups claim they want to protect the "unborn children." Ron De Santis wants to protect kids from transgenders and transvestites, and save everyone from Marxism/Communism cloaked as wokeism.

There's been a longstanding struggle over sex ed—"if you teach the kids about sex, they'll suddenly want to do it! Abstinence only!"

Somebody tell me because I don't know: what the hell is wrong with Southern politicians?

dmiley

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 10:08am

 Steely_D wrote:

Using the word "indoctrinate" is as pejorative as using the word "illuminate" or whatever. If we take it back to the concept of whether or not kids in the single digits should understand how the body works, including sex, then we're playing the same game as "there really is a Santa Claus" and letting them live a lie. Boys and girls are certainly pointing at their pee-pees and... sorry, I don't have sisters so don't know what you folks would call them at that age...
and talking about them in a tactful way might do something to prevent problems later.

Kids on the farm see the animals humping, and normal boys get erections just from friction. Making body parts shameful, hidden, EVIL is a sure fire way to screw up someone's sense of how they should behave later in life. A teen that's unprepared is one that's gonna fly be the seat of his pants and end up being a daddy way before he thought it could happen. ("At marriage, right?")

So I'm clearly not advocating that Bob&Carol&Ted&Alice should be making the rounds with Your American Highway System filmstrips in school. So, folks, please don't start by talking about how horrible that suggestion is that I'm making, because I'm not talking about porn in the classroom. Because that's how people stop things from happening: creating a straw man of something ludicrous and then using that as an excuse for tossing out the whole idea without further consideration.


Your response makes a lot of assumptions about who I am, what I believe and what motivates me. Good job attacking that straw man.
Isabeau

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Posted: Mar 20, 2023 - 7:46am

 Steely_D wrote:

Using the word "indoctrinate" is as pejorative as using the word "illuminate" or whatever. If we take it back to the concept of whether or not kids in the single digits should understand how the body works, including sex, then we're playing the same game as "there really is a Santa Claus." Boys and girls are certainly pointing at their pee-pees and... sorry, I don't have sisters so don't know what you folks would call them at that age...
and talking about them in a tactful way might do something to prevent problems later.

Kids on the farm see the animals humping, and normal boys get erections just from friction. Making body parts shameful, hidden, EVIL is a sure fire way to screw up someone's sense of how they should behave later in life. A teen that's unprepared is one that's gonna fly be the seat of his pants and end up being a daddy way before he thought it could happen. ("At marriage, right?")

So I'm clearly not advocating that Bob&Carol&Ted&Alice should be making the rounds with Your American Highway System filmstrips in school. Don't start by talking about horrible that suggestion is that I'm making, because I'm not. Because that's how people stop things from happening: creating a straw man of something ludicrous and then using that as an excuse for tossing out the whole idea without further consideration.




  Well said.


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Posted: Mar 19, 2023 - 8:51pm

 dmiley wrote:
As a confirmed Right Wing Nutter myself, let me see if I can provide some illumination from my perspective. The desire is that the official government (taxpayer) funded schools should not instruct (indoctrinate) young (up to fourth grade) impressionable children about sex

Using the word "indoctrinate" is as pejorative as using the word "illuminate" or whatever. If we take it back to the concept of whether or not kids in the single digits should understand how the body works, including sex, then we're playing the same game as "there really is a Santa Claus" and letting them live a lie. Boys and girls are certainly pointing at their pee-pees and... sorry, I don't have sisters so don't know what you folks would call them at that age...
and talking about them in a tactful way might do something to prevent problems later.

Kids on the farm see the animals humping, and normal boys get erections just from friction. Making body parts shameful, hidden, EVIL is a sure fire way to screw up someone's sense of how they should behave later in life. A teen that's unprepared is one that's gonna fly be the seat of his pants and end up being a daddy way before he thought it could happen. ("At marriage, right?")

So I'm clearly not advocating that Bob&Carol&Ted&Alice should be making the rounds with Your American Highway System filmstrips in school. So, folks, please don't start by talking about how horrible that suggestion is that I'm making, because I'm not talking about porn in the classroom. Because that's how people stop things from happening: creating a straw man of something ludicrous and then using that as an excuse for tossing out the whole idea without further consideration.
Steely_D

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Posted: Mar 19, 2023 - 8:44pm

 Isabeau wrote:


Bathroom smoking went out with Big Tobacco. This is 'don't say Gay' on little girls who are naturally curious about something that is soon to happen to them. Wait til Suzy lee tells the class that Maria talked about 'periods' during lunch. The teacher may be forced to remove Maria from class ... for  potential calls to her parents?
This is being done because of what some parents want; not the majority. And the Right Wing is ready to give it to them, all under the 'moral' cloak of a twisted 'Convenient Store' Christianity.

Gimme a break SD, this right wing censorship of teachers, books and now little girls' speech is getting downright 1692. It has no place in governing. If parents don't like it, they can pay to send their delicate loin fruit to a Private school. Selective morality is what these monsters are pushing.



Missing the original point, of course. That point is that people can pass all the rules they want but it won't stop folks from doing what they want in secret until the laws change or get ignored. 

Regarding private schools, they're a holdover from when people wanted segregated schools - but then also wanted the sweet guvmint money, so then they had to find another switch to flip, and that was religion. Roe v Wade wasn't even on the radar for more evangelical churches back in that day. They considered it to be a Catholic issue. But then the Right figured out how to mobilize that group of folks into a robotic voting bloc and then...well - if you want to know more, here's some info by one of my favorite listens, edited...by Brooke.

The Most Influential Christian Talk Radio Network You've Probably Never Heard of



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Posted: Mar 19, 2023 - 3:53pm

 dmiley wrote:





No they haven't, the amendment only pertains to school instruct and materials. The 1st amendment of the constitution protects the children from having their own conversations. https://www.flsenate.gov/Sessi...



I mean maybe there is a weird stretch where you get it to mean that, but generally: 

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.




dmiley

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Posted: Mar 19, 2023 - 3:08pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

That's a no, I guess. Here, I'll link to an article you can read (Isabeau's link didn't work) and then maybe you can try again.
“So if little girls experience their menstrual cycle in fifth grade or fourth grade, will that prohibit conversations from them since they are in the grade lower than sixth grade?” Gantt asked.

McClain responded, “It would.”

Florida just criminalized 4th-grade girls from discussing menstruation amongst themselves. That you "doubt" that they're naturally interested in the subject is not germane or even credible. You may "wish" it, but that don't make it so.








No they haven't, the amendment only pertains to school instruct and materials. The 1st amendment of the constitution protects the children from having their own conversations. https://www.flsenate.gov/Sessi...

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