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that is of course nonsense
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Chicago Trump Rally: What Really Happened And How The Left Exposed Their True Form

This is a report on the Donald Trump rally from Markos, who was reporting live for Danger & Play Media. 

I’m sure most of you have heard the news, and seen the videos on the news. You may have a lot of questions, and want to see if what the media reported was accurate or not.

Well, I’ve got good news for you. I was there, and I will tell you exactly what I saw, and how it all went down.



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Posted: Jan 5, 2016 - 8:50pm

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Montel Williams calls for ‘massive use of deadly force’ against Oregon refuge occupiers

"Mr. Williams hasn't always been against armed militias in the United States.  In November he tweeted: "If the Government ever makes Muslims carry ID cards or shuts down mosques, I will have no choice but to take up arms against my government."
   

 
Hehe. Montel was famous for like 6 months in the early 90's. Somebody needs to tell his agent that his day passed 25 years ago and that he should just retire.

This is just a publicity stunt. Montel is no less a jackass than he was in the 90s... {#Drunk} 
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Posted: Jan 5, 2016 - 5:52am

Montel Williams calls for ‘massive use of deadly force’ against Oregon refuge occupiers

"Mr. Williams hasn't always been against armed militias in the United States.  In November he tweeted: "If the Government ever makes Muslims carry ID cards or shuts down mosques, I will have no choice but to take up arms against my government."
   
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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 11:35pm

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So tell me how we avoid revolution with economic collapse ?  The elites are engineering this collapse.  Do they really think they can do it and not have a revolution ? (...)
 
As far as I can see, there isn't anything like a revolution going on in your country at the moment. It's been averted through corporate welfare (and some suppression of dissent. See Occupy).

A bit of a collapse is ok for elites, they can still profit/recoup from it when the gov provides their welfare and restores confidence/trust (to most of the system). Total collapse isn't.

But... you can't avoid it forever. See the structural analysis of Marx. {#Mrgreen}

Cyclical crises are a feature of the system, not a bug. Deregulation enables those crises.
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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 11:11pm

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I wasn't talking about me that was worried about revolution, but rather the elites and government that were. Generally speaking, revolution is bad for business and general security. Your feelings are irrelevant (save them for topics that end in an question mark).

 
So tell me how we avoid revolution with economic collapse ?  The elites are engineering this collapse.  Do they really think they can do it and not have a revolution ?

Yeah, you never have been worried much about others' feelings ...  {#Mrgreen} 

 Calling me names doesn't change that simple fact.
  

I meant it as a compliment  {#Nyah}


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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 11:02pm

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Yes, it is all about trust, yet trust is only a fleeting perception, oh master of propaganda.

Like that is no longer a problem ?  The downside is worse now than it was then.  And now you are worried about revolution ?  I always had the feeling you are trying to incite revolution. (...)
 
As we I learned in Economics 101, institutional trust is essential to the working of an economy, incl. for money/capital. Calling me names doesn't change that simple fact.

I wasn't talking about me that was worried about revolution, but rather the elites and government that were. Generally speaking, revolution is bad for business and general security. Your feelings are irrelevant (save them for topics that end in an question mark).
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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 10:35pm

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It's all about trust. In your scenario there would likely (also) have been a snowball effect affecting much, much more than just those banks. Not just the toxic assets would be affected, but also regular business and common folks with their mortgages/loans/credit, aside of course from that trust/reputation. A serious potential for revolution.

 
Yes, it is all about trust, yet trust is only a fleeting perception, oh master of propaganda.

Like that is no longer a problem ?  The downside is worse now than it was then.  And now you are worried about revolution ?  I always had the feeling you are trying to incite revolution.

Yeah there would have been damage, but no where near the level facing us today.  The stimulus has been a massive transfer of wealth by the governments from the people to the banks and then back to the .gov.  Does Fannie or Freddie hold the note for your home, if it does who owns the "F's", why the US gov, when it bailed them out and took them over.  The .gov now holds the note on your all's home.  What is one of the definitions of socialism ?  Government taking ownership of private property or something to that effect ?  We are already there and I tried to point this out when it was happening.  Then who owns the .gov's notes ?  The Fed.  So who really owns the country / .gov now, as in already ? 

But I'll disagree with the assertion that capitalism is failing due to built in defect.  It is failing because of corruption, sanctioned corruption, where the .gov overlooks the corruption, by just taking a piece of the action calling it a criminal fine / penalty, while no one meaningful goes to jail and really stop it from starting in the first place.  Who won't give up 20% to the gov and be allowed to keep the rest and walk the streets freely, in style ?  Or even 50% ?  

The elites are the elites, they will corrupt any system.  Its just that because capitalism is the best of all systems, it took much longer to corrupt.  And the US Constitution has been the strongest deterrent to corruption ever.  But we have a constitutions scholar deconstructing it right in front of our eyes.  He was re elected, giving him approval to keep doing it.  

And no one is bitching about the "appearance"  of laughably widespread corruption with the Clinton Foundation.  Sure looks like a duck to me. And it will be ignored and approved by the election of Billary in 2016.

Pawleeeze ...  


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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 9:54pm

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Later in the article...

What we saw in 2008 was the enactment of a welfare state for the rich, a kind of state socialism for the financial elites that Marx predicted. But with this comes an increased and volatile cycle of boom and bust, bringing the system closer to disintegration and collapse. We have undergone two major stock market crashes and the implosion of real estate prices in just the first decade of the 21st century.

I remember saying back then and often since ... we should let the house burn down and the banks fail, to prevent what is mentioned above.  We will never get a second chance to wipe out the banksters ...

And I remember the reaction I got to that sentiment ... you're crazy, you have no idea what you are talking about ...

If the house did burn down, we would largely be free of the big banks as they would be gone.  Their money was only on paper in the first place making the destruction largely imaginary, but they fooled everyone into bailing them out with more phony paper, but this time the government put us, the tax payer up for collateral.  Yeah, I'm just a stupid stoner who is clueless, full of pixie dust ...
 
It's all about trust. In your scenario there would likely (also) have been a snowball effect affecting much, much more than just those banks. Not just the toxic assets would be affected, but also regular business and common folks with their mortgages/loans/credit, aside of course from that trust/reputation. A serious potential for revolution.
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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 9:44pm

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Chris Hedges: Karl Marx Was Right

(...) The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.

But as Marx warned, there is a limit to an economy built on scaffolding of debt expansion. There comes a moment, Marx knew, when there would be no new markets available and no new pools of people who could take on more debt. This is what happened with the subprime mortgage crisis. Once the banks cannot conjure up new subprime borrowers, the scheme falls apart and the system crashes.

Capitalist oligarchs, meanwhile, hoard huge sums of wealth—$18 trillion stashed in overseas tax havens—exacted as tribute from those they dominate, indebt and impoverish. Capitalism would, in the end, Marx said, turn on the so-called free market, along with the values and traditions it claims to defend. It would in its final stages pillage the systems and structures that made capitalism possible. It would resort, as it caused widespread suffering, to harsher forms of repression. It would attempt in a frantic last stand to maintain its profits by looting and pillaging state institutions, contradicting its stated nature. (...)



 
Later in the article...

What we saw in 2008 was the enactment of a welfare state for the rich, a kind of state socialism for the financial elites that Marx predicted. But with this comes an increased and volatile cycle of boom and bust, bringing the system closer to disintegration and collapse. We have undergone two major stock market crashes and the implosion of real estate prices in just the first decade of the 21st century.

I remember saying back then and often since ... we should let the house burn down and the banks fail, to prevent what is mentioned above.  We will never get a second chance to wipe out the banksters ...

And I remember the reaction I got to that sentiment ... you're crazy, you have no idea what you are talking about ...

If the house did burn down, we would largely be free of the big banks as they would be gone.  Their money was only on paper in the first place making the destruction largely imaginary, but they fooled everyone into bailing them out with more phony paper, but this time the government put us, the tax payer up for collateral.  Yeah, I'm just a stupid stoner who is clueless, full of pixie dust ...

 
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Posted: May 31, 2015 - 9:00pm

Chris Hedges: Karl Marx Was Right

(...) The final stages of capitalism, Marx wrote, would be marked by developments that are intimately familiar to most of us. Unable to expand and generate profits at past levels, the capitalist system would begin to consume the structures that sustained it. It would prey upon, in the name of austerity, the working class and the poor, driving them ever deeper into debt and poverty and diminishing the capacity of the state to serve the needs of ordinary citizens. It would, as it has, increasingly relocate jobs, including both manufacturing and professional positions, to countries with cheap pools of laborers. Industries would mechanize their workplaces. This would trigger an economic assault on not only the working class but the middle class—the bulwark of a capitalist system—that would be disguised by the imposition of massive personal debt as incomes declined or remained stagnant. Politics would in the late stages of capitalism become subordinate to economics, leading to political parties hollowed out of any real political content and abjectly subservient to the dictates and money of global capitalism.

But as Marx warned, there is a limit to an economy built on scaffolding of debt expansion. There comes a moment, Marx knew, when there would be no new markets available and no new pools of people who could take on more debt. This is what happened with the subprime mortgage crisis. Once the banks cannot conjure up new subprime borrowers, the scheme falls apart and the system crashes.

Capitalist oligarchs, meanwhile, hoard huge sums of wealth—$18 trillion stashed in overseas tax havens—exacted as tribute from those they dominate, indebt and impoverish. Capitalism would, in the end, Marx said, turn on the so-called free market, along with the values and traditions it claims to defend. It would in its final stages pillage the systems and structures that made capitalism possible. It would resort, as it caused widespread suffering, to harsher forms of repression. It would attempt in a frantic last stand to maintain its profits by looting and pillaging state institutions, contradicting its stated nature. (...)


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Posted: Apr 27, 2015 - 3:23pm

Another shining example of typical Democrat thinking in action in a city run by Democrats since 1967 ...

 
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Posted: Mar 17, 2015 - 1:49pm

As we all know, the GOP/conservatives/right wing political fringe obviously does not have a monopoly on batshit crazy . . . 

Penn State Abington Professor Speaks Out about her Arrest 


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Posted: Oct 29, 2014 - 11:58am

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And to be fair, it is not just Obama they will vote for, it is anyone with a D behind their name for the sole reason it is not an R as if it makes a difference.  And the beat goes on.............
 
I suspect the reasoning is a bit more complex than that for most, but yes, partisanship/identity does play a large role (and for any ideology for that matter incl. "other"). My (political) belief, right or wrong. {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Oct 29, 2014 - 10:39am

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Running a death squad — which, among many others, kills American citizens without due process, then, just for the hell of it, murders their children: this doesn’t put a person beyond the pale of acceptable human behavior. Not at all. It’s something we can argue about, sure; but not only is it within the parameters of acceptable behavior, it does not even disqualify you from enthusiastic political support, not even from earnest, peace-loving antiwar liberals like Digby, who fought tooth and nail to keep Obama running his death squads and dirty wars in 2012. (And if he could run for a third term there is no doubt — none whatsoever — that he would have fierce backing of the earnest, peace-loving antiwar liberals like Digby.) (...)



 
And to be fair, it is not just Obama they will vote for, it is anyone with a D behind their name for the sole reason it is not an R as if it makes a difference.  And the beat goes on.............


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Posted: Oct 29, 2014 - 10:31am

The Moral Blindness of Our Leading Liberals- Chris Floyd

Behold the quintessential earnest progressive liberal in the highest moral dudgeon: Digby railing with thunderous fury at the possibility (the very distinct possibility) that Barack Obama is going to suppress the Senate’s report on CIA torture. Digby quotes the recent letter from some of Obama’s fellow Nobel Peace Prize laureates, who are calling on Obama to release the report (and close the concentration camp at Guantanamo Bay, for good measure.) Worthy sentiments and justifiable anger indeed. But then Digby adds this gloss:

“Honestly, if they deep six the report (or redact it so heavily that it’s meaningless) I think President Obama has no choice but to give back his prize. There’s a lot of actions he’s taken as president that people could claim disqualify him for the prize anyway. Arguments about the dirty wars and targeted assassination programs alone will go on for generations. But one can, at least, say they represent some form of modern warfare and that the President of a military Empire is always going to be required to deal in such ugly matters. (That, in fact, s one reason why it was ludicrous to give him the prize in the first place — he runs the most powerful killing machine on the planet.)

But however you see his performance as Commander in Chief, There can be no debate about torture. It’s a war crime. It should be prosecuted. But even if they cannot do that, covering it up is to be complicit.”

Old cynic that I am, I must admit that even my grizzled jaw dropped as I read these words. “Arguments about the dirty wars and targeted assassination programs alone will go on for generations.” This, again, is from one of our leading liberal lights. She thinks dirty wars — secret incursions into other nations to murder, subvert, wreak havoc, terrorize — are open to debate. She thinks that “targeted assassination programs” — one of which is run directly out of the White House, with regular weekly meetings where Obama and his advisors tick off names of human beings to be killed without warning, without the slightest pretense of judicial process or rule of law — will be argued about for generations. The morality of death squads and dirty wars is something about which serious, concerned citizens can disagree and debate, apparently.

Running a death squad — which, among many others, kills American citizens without due process, then, just for the hell of it, murders their children: this doesn’t put a person beyond the pale of acceptable human behavior. Not at all. It’s something we can argue about, sure; but not only is it within the parameters of acceptable behavior, it does not even disqualify you from enthusiastic political support, not even from earnest, peace-loving antiwar liberals like Digby, who fought tooth and nail to keep Obama running his death squads and dirty wars in 2012. (And if he could run for a third term there is no doubt — none whatsoever — that he would have fierce backing of the earnest, peace-loving antiwar liberals like Digby.) (...)


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