[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Guns - westslope - Feb 2, 2023 - 3:42pm
 
Canada - westslope - Feb 2, 2023 - 3:19pm
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - VV - Feb 2, 2023 - 2:51pm
 
COVID-19 - R_P - Feb 2, 2023 - 2:26pm
 
TV shows you watch - R_P - Feb 2, 2023 - 1:20pm
 
RightWingNutZ - Isabeau - Feb 2, 2023 - 1:18pm
 
Out the window - Isabeau - Feb 2, 2023 - 1:03pm
 
Annoying stuff. not things that piss you off, just annoyi... - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 2, 2023 - 12:43pm
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 2, 2023 - 11:26am
 
February 2023 Photo Theme - Odd Perspectives - fractalv - Feb 2, 2023 - 10:58am
 
More reggae, less Marley please - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Feb 2, 2023 - 10:30am
 
Wordle - daily game - islander - Feb 2, 2023 - 9:06am
 
Podcast recommendations??? - marko86 - Feb 2, 2023 - 8:51am
 
Let's build a city - Red_Dragon - Feb 2, 2023 - 8:46am
 
How to Sync to Current Feed? - otto802 - Feb 2, 2023 - 8:13am
 
Omitted from Rock and Roll Hall of Fame - ColdMiser - Feb 2, 2023 - 7:22am
 
Upcoming concerts or shows you can't wait to see - Antigone - Feb 2, 2023 - 7:13am
 
Nuclear power - saviour or scourge? - Steve - Feb 2, 2023 - 6:40am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - Beez - Feb 2, 2023 - 6:37am
 
Work - sunybuny - Feb 2, 2023 - 5:53am
 
Things You Thought Today - KurtfromLaQuinta - Feb 1, 2023 - 9:05pm
 
Race in America - R_P - Feb 1, 2023 - 8:42pm
 
NASA & other news from space - Steely_D - Feb 1, 2023 - 8:03pm
 
YouTube: Music-Videos - Steely_D - Feb 1, 2023 - 7:50pm
 
Derplahoma! - ScottFromWyoming - Feb 1, 2023 - 7:30pm
 
RP App for Android - nickferrante10 - Feb 1, 2023 - 11:11am
 
USA! USA! USA! - R_P - Feb 1, 2023 - 10:56am
 
The end of the world - miamizsun - Feb 1, 2023 - 7:17am
 
Today in History - Red_Dragon - Feb 1, 2023 - 7:13am
 
Live Music - Steve - Feb 1, 2023 - 6:17am
 
January 2023 Photo Theme - Friends - Coaxial - Feb 1, 2023 - 5:30am
 
Name My Band - GeneP59 - Jan 31, 2023 - 8:25pm
 
The Abortion Wars - Red_Dragon - Jan 31, 2023 - 7:19pm
 
Love is... - Coaxial - Jan 31, 2023 - 6:36pm
 
Lyrics that are stuck in your head today... - oldviolin - Jan 31, 2023 - 6:23pm
 
Revelation,Armageddon, the end of the world (we can stop ... - oldviolin - Jan 31, 2023 - 6:16pm
 
• • • Things Magicians Exclaim • • •  - oldviolin - Jan 31, 2023 - 5:37pm
 
What Makes You Cry :) ? - oldviolin - Jan 31, 2023 - 4:33pm
 
Outstanding Covers - Steely_D - Jan 31, 2023 - 4:31pm
 
What the hell OV? - oldviolin - Jan 31, 2023 - 3:39pm
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - miamizsun - Jan 31, 2023 - 2:14pm
 
Post your favorite 'You Tube' Videos Here - Manbird - Jan 31, 2023 - 1:53pm
 
Germany - R_P - Jan 31, 2023 - 1:33pm
 
Economix - westslope - Jan 31, 2023 - 1:28pm
 
Eclectic Sound-Drops - thisbody - Jan 31, 2023 - 12:46pm
 
• • • • Name My Possum • • • - Bill_J - Jan 31, 2023 - 11:51am
 
The Obituary Page - GeneP59 - Jan 31, 2023 - 9:21am
 
Surfing! - kurtster - Jan 31, 2023 - 4:17am
 
Ukraine - R_P - Jan 30, 2023 - 5:35pm
 
Beer - DaveInSaoMiguel - Jan 30, 2023 - 1:57pm
 
Are you ready for some football? - cc_rider - Jan 30, 2023 - 8:02am
 
Things I Saw Today... - Red_Dragon - Jan 30, 2023 - 6:52am
 
Florida - miamizsun - Jan 30, 2023 - 4:18am
 
SCOTUS - Red_Dragon - Jan 29, 2023 - 2:43pm
 
New Music - haresfur - Jan 29, 2023 - 12:34pm
 
Pretty Darn Good Bass Lines - among the best.... - miamizsun - Jan 29, 2023 - 8:28am
 
Bad Poetry - miamizsun - Jan 29, 2023 - 7:41am
 
Audials - roger.holroyd1217 - Jan 29, 2023 - 3:31am
 
The strange tale of KFAT - oldviolin - Jan 28, 2023 - 8:57pm
 
Sunrise, Sunset - islander - Jan 28, 2023 - 6:25pm
 
What Did You Do Today? - Bill_J - Jan 28, 2023 - 6:24pm
 
Strange signs, marquees, billboards, etc. - Isabeau - Jan 28, 2023 - 1:34pm
 
Music Requests - Ralf - Jan 28, 2023 - 7:39am
 
last.fm-scrobbling - hans-juergen - Jan 28, 2023 - 12:25am
 
Immigration - westslope - Jan 27, 2023 - 4:13pm
 
Mixtape Culture Club - Steely_D - Jan 27, 2023 - 3:39pm
 
Linking to "What's Playing" - fraenki - Jan 27, 2023 - 2:18pm
 
The Monks of Zagorsk - cathyetsylvain - Jan 27, 2023 - 9:16am
 
Having a Bad Day??? - GeneP59 - Jan 26, 2023 - 8:27pm
 
Living in America - Red_Dragon - Jan 26, 2023 - 8:16pm
 
Things for which you would sell ManBird's soul - GeneP59 - Jan 26, 2023 - 7:53pm
 
Trump - haresfur - Jan 26, 2023 - 3:59pm
 
OUR CATS!! - Isabeau - Jan 26, 2023 - 3:02pm
 
Oil, Gas Prices & Other Crapola - black321 - Jan 26, 2023 - 12:44pm
 
Anti-War - R_P - Jan 26, 2023 - 10:07am
 
Index » Radio Paradise/General » General Discussion » Nuclear power - saviour or scourge? Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 21, 22, 23, 24, 25  Next
Post to this Topic
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 9, 2013 - 7:02am

So if our only two immediate choices are petroleum or dirty nuclear fission, which way to go ?

The half life of petroleum damage is a little shorter than nuclear.  Seems like a no brainer.

and pipelines vs rail ?  another no brainer.
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 9, 2013 - 6:49am

 miamizsun wrote:

do we know what type of nuclear?

it matters

regards

 

Looks like they are going to be PWR.  Is that what you meant?
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 9, 2013 - 6:04am

 sirdroseph wrote:
I forgot to mention this when Obama made his climate change speech but my wife just now reminded me when she was talking about alternative energy possibilities for us. On a personal level, I was reminded of what I perceive is a possible environmental danger encroaching upon our safe zone.  Excerpt from the speech:

"Here at Georgetown, I unveiled my strategy for a secure energy future. And thanks to the ingenuity of our businesses, we're starting to produce much more of our own energy. We're building the first nuclear power plants in more than three decades — in Georgia and South Carolina."

Yay, one more potential mass disaster zone created that we are the epicenter of.....yay.{#Frustrated}
 
do we know what type of nuclear?

it matters

regards
sirdroseph

sirdroseph Avatar

Location: Not here, I tell you wat
Gender: Male


Posted: Jul 7, 2013 - 9:02am

I forgot to mention this when Obama made his climate change speech but my wife just now reminded me when she was talking about alternative energy possibilities for us. On a personal level, I was reminded of what I perceive is a possible environmental danger encroaching upon our safe zone.  Excerpt from the speech:

"Here at Georgetown, I unveiled my strategy for a secure energy future. And thanks to the ingenuity of our businesses, we're starting to produce much more of our own energy. We're building the first nuclear power plants in more than three decades — in Georgia and South Carolina."

Yay, one more potential mass disaster zone created that we are the epicenter of.....yay.{#Frustrated}

miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Apr 26, 2013 - 4:04pm

i'm on the way out and i haven't looked at this yet

there's video and an infographic

One giant leap for mankind: £13bn Iter project makes breakthrough in quest for nuclear fusion, a solution to climate change and an age of clean, unlimited energy

An idyllic hilltop setting in the Cadarache forest of Provence in the south of France has become the site of an ambitious attempt to harness the nuclear power of the sun and stars.

It is the place where 34 nations representing more than half the world’s population have joined forces in the biggest scientific collaboration on the planet – only the International Space Station is bigger.

The international nuclear fusion project – known as Iter, meaning “the way” in Latin – is designed to demonstrate a new kind of nuclear reactor capable of producing unlimited supplies of cheap, clean, safe and sustainable electricity from atomic fusion.


Servo

Servo Avatar

Location: Down on the Farm
Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 1:23pm

 DaveInVA wrote: 
A furnace exploded and it's international news? {#Rolleyes}

With all due respect to the one dead guy, why doesn't the death of dozens of coal miners trigger an international hysteria every time it happens?


DaveInSaoMiguel

DaveInSaoMiguel Avatar

Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA
Gender: Male


Posted: Sep 12, 2011 - 11:08am

Explosion at French nuclear site kills 1


Red_Dragon

Red_Dragon Avatar



Posted: Jul 6, 2011 - 10:46am

interesting article about disaster training.

During WW2, the Japanese lost a lot of warships to relatively minor damage because of their very poor damage-control procedures, training and leadership.  The above article seems to indicate that this lack of preparedness for things going wrong is still with them.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 29, 2011 - 5:53am

 nuggler wrote:

"where scientists working on the Manhattan Project developed the atomic bomb in World War II" Oh really? And you think that Fukushima and this fire are unrelated?



Wildfire Pushes Toward Nuclear Lab

Safety Officials Take Precautions as Northern New Mexico Blaze Nears Los Alamos Research Complex

0628fire
Reuters

Flames from the Las Conchas fire burn in the hills above Los Alamos National Laboratory on Monday.

 
Nope.  This fire is the first of the next wave of Al Qaeda low budget terrorist attacks. 

First they sneak across the border, go straight to Ohio and buy their new weapon of mass destruction and head back south with their new weapon and a bag of marshmallows.  The marshmallows are only present to provide an excuse for them transporting their new weapon of mass destruction.  


Forest jihad: How Australian wildfires 'could fuel Al Qaeda armies of one'


Obama must act now and cut down all the trees and pave over everything making America fireproof.  Then we need licenses and security checks to buy bic lighters and matches.  If one buys matches and lighters, they should be required to buy cigarettes at the same time so as to insure tobacco tax revenue due to falling consumption of cigarettes due to higher taxes.  Purchasers of lighter fluid must sign affidavits that they actually have barbeques at home and/or require them to buy charcoal at the same time.  This helps to keep the charcoal industry working and is a good use for all the trees that have been cut down.

Obama care has set forth the ability of governemnt to mandate citizens to purchase things whether they want them or not.  The commerce clause guarentees this right of government to force citizens to buy stuff or go to jail if they don't.  We can hire more IRS agents to insure compliance and guarentee that citizens are guilty until proven innocent.  Tax court is exempt from the presumption of innocence.

Next we  ...
{#Wink}


nuggler

nuggler Avatar

Location: RU Sirius ?
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 28, 2011 - 10:59pm

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:

 Not at all. I, for one, firmly believe that the tsunami caused the wildfires. No question about it. And vice-versa. I see you do too.
 

Watch & learn, & meditate on the possibility that all you're seeing & are about to experience is for the purpose of demonstration. The show has begun & its being staged just for you........& me.

BlueHeronDruid

BlueHeronDruid Avatar

Location: planting flowers


Posted: Jun 28, 2011 - 10:41pm

 nuggler wrote:

"where scientists working on the Manhattan Project developed the atomic bomb in World War II" Oh really? And you think that Fukushima and this fire are unrelated?

 
 Not at all. I, for one, firmly believe that the tsunami caused the wildfires. No question about it. And vice-versa. I see you do too.

nuggler

nuggler Avatar

Location: RU Sirius ?
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 28, 2011 - 10:30pm


"where scientists working on the Manhattan Project developed the atomic bomb in World War II" Oh really? And you think that Fukushima and this fire are unrelated?



Wildfire Pushes Toward Nuclear Lab

Safety Officials Take Precautions as Northern New Mexico Blaze Nears Los Alamos Research Complex

0628fire
Reuters

Flames from the Las Conchas fire burn in the hills above Los Alamos National Laboratory on Monday.


A large wildfire moving across northern New Mexico Tuesday had authorities watching for a potential release of radiation around the nation's main nuclear-weapons lab in Los Alamos.

The fire, covering some 60,740 acres, was headed north toward the Los Alamos National Laboratory, the nuclear-research facility that sprawls across 36 square miles and contains 2,000 buildings. The complex, where scientists working on the Manhattan Project developed the atomic bomb in World War II, has been closed since Sunday because of the blaze.

Lab spokeswoman Lisa Rosendorf said the blaze was at the border of the lab's property but not close to any buildings.

As a precaution, officials have been clearing brush from the lab's key buildings and have stored hazardous nuclear materials inside a vault.

Radiation hasn't been found above normal levels at or around the lab, officials said, but they are bringing in extra monitors.

(...)
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 2:20pm

 DaveInVA wrote:

Its not just the reactors that will melt down if left unattended but many of the storage facilities that store "spent" fuel require constant water cooling also that will also stop once left unattended with no power...

 
It was the storage of the spent rods that prompted my whole string of events in the first place.  It was the storage tank in Japan that failed, I think first, and then the incident in Nebraska was a storage tank as well.  The waste is the biggest problem with the current system.  A loaded reactor can be shut down if the control rods can be lowered, but the waste pools will fail without cooled water.  A simple power failure is all that is needed for that to happen.

All the more reason we get Yucca Mountain or somewhere else (NIMBY) back together and have a place for all this stuff to be rounded up.

Edit; I guess I'm late to the party on reaching a conclusion that the present type of reactors need to be turned off and dismantled as soon as possible.  But at least I finally came around to it.  If we can do it safely with something like Thorium then yippy skippy.  But the present stuff ?  I'm done, no support anymore.


DaveInSaoMiguel

DaveInSaoMiguel Avatar

Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 1:47pm

 kurtster wrote:

Thanks Jeff,

I remember seeing something about the Thorium reactors posted before and glossed over it.  If it was you who posted this originally, thanks for reposting. 

This is good stuff and with the timing, if this guy gets it together and overcomes the inherant lobbying obstacles, we will have what seems to be the next best thing to fusion. 

All the more reasons to stop building and start decommisioning the current reactors we have.  The thought of runaway meltdowns due to a cataclysmic event never occured to me before which was the reason for my post.  I have never been one of those no nuke people and thought that our present reactors were manageable except for the waste.  Then I had the thought today of the scenarios I mentioned and it just all of a sudden made these reactors a terrible idea that could no longer be considered worth any risks.

RP is the only place I have even seen or heard anything on this subject.  Not even C2C which I still listen to somewhat regularily.  Now that this has clicked and registered in my haid, I will continue to learn more and try to advocate support for this whenever possible as you do.

{#Cheers}
 
Its not just the reactors that will melt down if left unattended but many of the storage facilities that store "spent" fuel require constant water cooling also that will also stop once left unattended with no power...
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 1:43pm

 miamizsun wrote:

Hey Kurt, please listen and/or read this when you get the time. Peace.

 
Thanks Jeff,

I remember seeing something about the Thorium reactors posted before and glossed over it.  If it was you who posted this originally, thanks for reposting. 

This is good stuff and with the timing, if this guy gets it together and overcomes the inherant lobbying obstacles, we will have what seems to be the next best thing to fusion. 

All the more reasons to stop building and start decommisioning the current reactors we have.  The thought of runaway meltdowns due to a cataclysmic event never occured to me before which was the reason for my post.  I have never been one of those no nuke people and thought that our present reactors were manageable except for the waste.  Then I had the thought today of the scenarios I mentioned and it just all of a sudden made these reactors a terrible idea that could no longer be considered worth any risks.

RP is the only place I have even seen or heard anything on this subject.  Not even C2C which I still listen to somewhat regularily.  Now that this has clicked and registered in my haid, I will continue to learn more and try to advocate support for this whenever possible as you do.

{#Cheers}

miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3261.3 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 10:42am

 kurtster wrote:
Here are some thoughts I have never heard discussed anywhere before.  These are thoughts that came to me as a result of thinking about my post in the Libya thread and China.

On why we need to turn off and dismantle the reactors ASAP.

If any of the following should happen, mankind could be toast.

A nuclear war of some kind that kills millions and disables systems.

A cosmic wave or solar blast that knocks out chips and circuits in operating systems.

Or an EMP weapon attack which does the same as a cosmic wave.  There are probably some more but that is enough for my point.

Any of the above items would leave reactors without power and controls and humans to prevent meltdowns.  While mankind could conceivably survive all the above events, the failing reactors would do far more harm than an asteroid hitting the earth.  Imagine 100 reactors melting down in the US.  It would make the US and probably the world uninhabitable for thousands of years.

These reactors may be safe enough to operate when all systems are go, but an event that sends us into the stone age will leave these reactors alone to do what they do when no one is able to operate them anymore.

So tear them down and bury the waste somewhere safe (yeah, we can only hope) so we can avoid uncontrolled meltdowns that will essentially leave this planet uninhabitable.  We only get one chance to do this.  If anything should drive our energy policy, this should all by itself.
?????

 
Hey Kurt, please listen and/or read this when you get the time. Peace.

Kirk Sorensen: Thorium Could Be Our Energy "Silver Bullet"

Safer, cleaner and cheaper thorium reactors could change the world

Kirk Sorensen has been studying thorium technology since 2000 and has been a public advocate for its use and development since 2006. He started the weblog, Energy from Thorium, which has spawned a global movement of interest in liquid-fluoride thorium reactor technology. He has a masters' degree in aerospace engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology and is studying nuclear engineering at the University of Tennessee under Dr. Laurence Miller. He worked at NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center from 2000 to 2010 and led advanced technology development for new space transportation systems. From May 2010 to May 2011 he served as Chief Nuclear Technologist to Teledyne Brown Engineering in Huntsville, but left recently to found a new company, Flibe Energy, which is devoted to the design, development, manufacture and operation of liquid-fluoride thorium reactors.

Jim Puplava is pleased to welcome Kirk Sorensen to the Financial Sense Newshour this week. Kirk explains how thorium reactors can change the world through the use of a safer, cleaner and more available energy source than uranium.

His bio

His company

A youtube vid too



A TedTalk 10 min presentation.

kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 19, 2011 - 10:28am

Here are some thoughts I have never heard discussed anywhere before.  These are thoughts that came to me as a result of thinking about my post in the Libya thread and China.

On why we need to turn off and dismantle the reactors ASAP.

If any of the following should happen, mankind could be toast.

A nuclear war of some kind that kills millions and disables systems.

A cosmic wave or solar blast that knocks out chips and circuits in operating systems.

Or an EMP weapon attack which does the same as a cosmic wave.  There are probably some more but that is enough for my point.

Any of the above items would leave reactors without power and controls and humans to prevent meltdowns.  While mankind could conceivably survive all the above events, the failing reactors would do far more harm than an asteroid hitting the earth.  Imagine 100 reactors melting down in the US.  It would make the US and probably the world uninhabitable for thousands of years.

These reactors may be safe enough to operate when all systems are go, but an event that sends us into the stone age will leave these reactors alone to do what they do when no one is able to operate them anymore.

So tear them down and bury the waste somewhere safe (yeah, we can only hope) so we can avoid uncontrolled meltdowns that will essentially leave this planet uninhabitable.  We only get one chance to do this.  If anything should drive our energy policy, this should all by itself.
?????
jadewahoo

jadewahoo Avatar

Location: Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 5:46pm

 islander wrote:

my company: Yes, we do get tax breaks. They are pretty small in scale and since we are pretty small in scale we don't have lobbyists on payroll out stumping for them.  The ones we use are generally structured to be an incentive to behaviors that the locals want to encourage. So we get breaks for installing high efficiency equipment which lowers the burden on the power grid. We get a few breaks on large capital expenditures because the .gov was trying to get business to step up and spend a bit the last couple years (if you hadn't noticed there was sort a slump going on). We get breaks for providing health care coverage to all our employees - we're still tuning our health care down here, but we're trying to model a couple of things like universal coverage that we see working elsewhere. There are lots more, but I don't think you really care much so I'll stop here.

We take them because they are there, that's good business. We don't actively lobby for them, and I'm not out trying to take positions that specifically limit my competitors. Heck, in my industry a sizable number of my competitors are my customers as well, I don't want them folding up or going away. We've all found a way to add value and co-exist, especially where it benefits the customers.

My other statement was specifically targeted toward the solar panels removed from the White House - I said nothing about vehicle technology (although I could have, but it would have been directed more toward weight and feature creep than to conspiracies). This was done by Reagan, who was a good friend to big oil. Oil companies have had sweetheart lease deals, and tax breaks galore for ever. They are also making record profits while the prices of their products (which are to some extent a necessity for many) are exceeding the pace of inflation by double digit multiples.  I'm just saying maybe we should consider cutting back on the mammoth breaks that we give to these well established companies and redirect some of that to alt.energy field and see if they make any substantial gains in the next decade. This is what we should be using tax (public money) incentives for. If they don't we look for another place to redirect that money. And if by some chance the oil companies profits tumble to the point where they are only making 10 BILLION dollars a year in profit, then maybe we reinstate those breaks to prop them up again... or not, either way.

Reconsider my statements... No thanks, I'm pretty happy with them.

I truly appreciate your considered input into these matters.  Now, if they put up a Republican who espoused such clarity, the RNC might have a whippersnapper's chance at gaining the Presidency. Oh hell, if the DNC were to put forth such a candidate, they might be worthy of winning.


islander

islander Avatar

Location: Seattle
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 5:10pm

 Beaker wrote:

Oh please.

Hey, let's move the conversation to something more local to you - your own company.

Is your company the recipient of any tax breaks?

If yes, why do you need them?
If no, how do you possibly manage to survive in such a cut throat environment?

Surely just to exist, your company must offer either innovative technology that no one else has, or a value proposition that makes your competitors curse you.
—-
Are you suggesting in any way that all significant innovation has had government subsidization?  Being in the IT field, surely you have heard talk, maybe the odd rumour of angel investors located in Sillycon Valley.   Are you suggesting that no one ever was interested in 'refining and improving' vehicle technology as that is the exclusive domain of the government handout/subsidy/tax break?

I think you might want to reconsider your statements a tad.
 
my company: Yes, we do get tax breaks. They are pretty small in scale and since we are pretty small in scale we don't have lobbyists on payroll out stumping for them.  The ones we use are generally structured to be an incentive to behaviors that the locals want to encourage. So we get breaks for installing high efficiency equipment which lowers the burden on the power grid. We get a few breaks on large capital expenditures because the .gov was trying to get business to step up and spend a bit the last couple years (if you hadn't noticed there was sort a slump going on). We get breaks for providing health care coverage to all our employees - we're still tuning our health care down here, but we're trying to model a couple of things like universal coverage that we see working elsewhere. There are lots more, but I don't think you really care much so I'll stop here.

We take them because they are there, that's good business. We don't actively lobby for them, and I'm not out trying to take positions that specifically limit my competitors. Heck, in my industry a sizable number of my competitors are my customers as well, I don't want them folding up or going away. We've all found a way to add value and co-exist, especially where it benefits the customers.

My other statement was specifically targeted toward the solar panels removed from the White House - I said nothing about vehicle technology (although I could have, but it would have been directed more toward weight and feature creep than to conspiracies). This was done by Reagan, who was a good friend to big oil. Oil companies have had sweetheart lease deals, and tax breaks galore for ever. They are also making record profits while the prices of their products (which are to some extent a necessity for many) are exceeding the pace of inflation by double digit multiples.  I'm just saying maybe we should consider cutting back on the mammoth breaks that we give to these well established companies and redirect some of that to alt.energy field and see if they make any substantial gains in the next decade. This is what we should be using tax (public money) incentives for. If they don't we look for another place to redirect that money. And if by some chance the oil companies profits tumble to the point where they are only making 10 BILLION dollars a year in profit, then maybe we reinstate those breaks to prop them up again... or not, either way.

Reconsider my statements... No thanks, I'm pretty happy with them.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 1, 2011 - 3:56pm

 beamends wrote:

Well I hope it works out better than catalytic converters that the Germans had the EU impose on us, killing off the much cleaner (and platinum-free) true lean-burn engines that would have been a much better bet.
 
We've had manditory catalytic converters since 1975 here in the states.  Heck, my 1963 Corvair got 35 mpg even after is was 8 years old, with a pair of crappy single barrel carbs.  And our gas still has lead in it, they still can't find a way to keep the valves from burning without it.

You are getting your revenge on us with those mercury laced CFL's the EU is so hot to trot about.

Page: Previous  1, 2, 3 ... 21, 22, 23, 24, 25  Next