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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 7:06pm

 Manbird wrote:

Exactly! How do you know when a politician is lying? When his lips are moving. 

 

{#Whisper} Sometimes they write stuff too.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 7:05pm

 oldviolin wrote:

you must be delusional...
 
nonsense - I've got a brand new foil hat.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 7:04pm

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Just an observation...

This thread was obviously started by a partisan shill, implying that Republicans have a monopoly on lying and hypocrisy is quite an exercise in delusion.

Just an observation.
 
Exactly! How do you know when a politician is lying? When his lips are moving. 


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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 7:04pm

What's up with that Glenn Beck guy? I mean he has always been more than a little off; I occasionally caught his shows when they had our TV at my old job locked down to news channels and he was the only thing I could be entertained by on Saturday nights. I used to think; wow, what a fruitcake, he funny.{#Tongue} Now, it's like.......{#Eek}.........


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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 7:03pm

 oldslabsides wrote:
Just an observation...

This thread was obviously started by a partisan shill, implying that Republicans have a monopoly on lying and hypocrisy is quite an exercise in delusion.

Just an observation.

 
you must be delusional...

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 7:00pm

Just an observation...

This thread was obviously started by a partisan shill, implying that Republicans have a monopoly on lying and hypocrisy is quite an exercise in delusion.

Just an observation.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 6:59pm

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Well, it's much easier to voice a conservative direction than a progressive one. The conservative view, typically, has to do with maintenance of the status quo - which is visible and definable.

Progressive views, however, envision many different futures. Therefore, although there is agreement that change is important, that the status quo is not the best of all possible worlds, the members of the progressive movement are then faced with the difficult task of getting agreement about which alternate future they want to advocate for. And then it falls apart...


(aside: Can you folks figure out a way to have a discussion without name calling either the posters or the politicians? It is so high school, and I don't listen to any argument you have to make once I see that crap, figuring that if you had a legitimate point, you'd simply make it.)
 
Its really quite simple. Ultimately and historically, the Republicans exist to  represent the interests of the very wealthy and Big business.  The Democrats historically represent the interests of the midddle and lower classes and Small business.  

Almost every social advance in this country has been legislated by the Democrats and OPPOSED by the Republicans.  Unfortunately, the Big corporations with all their incredible accumulated wealth have succeeded more and more in heavily influencing the Democrats as well. The Blue Dog or Corporate Democrats especially.  Even the Progressive Democrats arent immune to   corporate donations.  Independent Bernie Sanders is the only true Progressive left.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 6:33pm

 fuh2 wrote:

What the Republicans dont realize is that not all Democrats march to the beat of somebody like Limbaugh.   If they step out of line 50 million Republican Dittoheads will learrn about it the next day! How many Republicans have had to actually apologize to master Limbaugh? Repubs also have their corporate masters who are even more ruthless.

 Getting Democrats to agree on something is like herding cats as they ssay. You got your sellout  Blue Dog Corporate Dems like Clinton and your  Progressive "We the People" Democrats like Feingold.  I would say the Gingrich revolution was a reigniton of the Reagan Revolution but in overdrive. 
 
Well, it's much easier to voice a conservative direction than a progressive one. The conservative view, typically, has to do with maintenance of the status quo - which is visible and definable.

Progressive views, however, envision many different futures. Therefore, although there is agreement that change is important, that the status quo is not the best of all possible worlds, the members of the progressive movement are then faced with the difficult task of getting agreement about which alternate future they want to advocate for. And then it falls apart...


(aside: Can you folks figure out a way to have a discussion without name calling either the posters or the politicians? It is so high school, and I don't listen to any argument you have to make once I see that crap, figuring that if you had a legitimate point, you'd simply make it.)

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 5:58pm

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Between 1981 and 2009 Republican scumbags controlled either the Presidency, and/or the House, and/or the Senate. There was only one time during this era where the Democrats had the clear advantage. This was during the first two years of Bill "Bend Over" Clinton's administration when they had a majority in both houses. The Democrat-in-name-only Clinton couldn't even maintain this state of affairs for very long; both houses were lost in the so-called Gingrich revolution (AKA Contract on Working Class America) of 1994, one of the worst political disasters in American history! We are still suffering the fallout from the fascist Gingrich era.

 
What the Republicans dont realize is that not all Democrats march to the beat of somebody like Limbaugh.   If they step out of line 50 million Republican Dittoheads will learrn about it the next day! How many Republicans have had to actually apologize to master Limbaugh? Repubs also have their corporate masters who are even more ruthless.

 Getting Democrats to agree on something is like herding cats as they ssay. You got your sellout  Blue Dog Corporate Dems like Clinton and your  Progressive "We the People" Democrats like Feingold.  I would say the Gingrich revolution was a reigniton of the Reagan Revolution but in overdrive. 

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 5:35pm

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 3:23pm

 genepicard wrote:

Well there you go again! Thank you Ron.

A. The Goremyster has been trying to lay claim that he created the internet "Super-Information Highway" for years when it was started mainly in California in the 60's and blossomed in the 70's.  It was created as an interscholastic informational hub between schools like Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, MIT (east coast) and a derivative of the government agency of DARPA called ARPANET. Towards the end of the 80's its need for growth forced It exploded into the scene in 1991 with further development of the hypertext protocol. Do you remember Mosaics or did Al create that to ?

B. And if we go by what you say that Al created the "Super-Information Highway" in the 90's, then he is to blame for the 2000 to 2008 house of cards right?

C.  Fannie and Freddie are PRIVATE/Public banks. True with an open backing by the government. They got too big and too powerful with no government oversite, doing what they wanted and how they wanted to do things with the blessings of both parties.

D.  Reagan dropped the top rate down to 28% in 1986 and a year later we had the S and L Banking crisis with a large stock crash. Really. You really want to go down that road. It takes more than a year to have created that fiasco and started festering in the late 70's . Shall I mention Jimmy Carter and 76 to 80?

E.  If I recall, the Great Depression was corrected with the creation of "The New Deal" by FDR. With initial hesitation by the republican party, they worked together in creating programs such as the WPA and Social Security Act. And I think FDR was one of the greatest presidents in US history.

Now this is pulled from Wiki: Roosevelt worked with Republican Senator George Norris to create the largest government-owned industrial enterprise in American history.
and
Conservative Democrats, led by Al Smith, fought back with the American Liberty League, savagely attacking Roosevelt and equating him with Marx and Lenin.

So even history has shown that even when the Democrats were in control, they always have fought amongst themselves.

F.  Lots of "Corporate Dems" who vote Republican.  If this were true, then why did 99% of the Democrats vote in favor for the House bill healthcare plan and all Democratic Senators vote for the bill? They all have been bought off by corporate America.

So in conclusion, no matter what I say, you'll always say that the Democrats never do anything wrong and it's always the Republicans that have created all our woe's.

I bet you couldn't even credit any Republican presidents for good they've done.

 

Al Gore and information technology



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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 3:19pm

 fuh2 wrote:

A)  Clinton faced a huge budget deficit too but by raising the top tax rate by just 5% to 39% he had a budget surplus in 2000. It also helped that he had a Tech Dot.com Boom which Clinton and Gore had a big hand in by intiating the national "Super-Information Highway" as they callled it then.   In 1990 most peoople hadnt a clue about what CLinton/Gore were talking about. It was mostly Gore's baby. Thanks Al.

B)Yeah, the Boom from 2000 to 2008 was just another big Boom but it was built on a house of cards JUST like the 1920's Boom built on finance, mortgages and stocks. It ended with the Crash of 1929 which initiated the Great Depression.

c) Fannie and Freddie are PRIVATE/Public banks.  So, they got greedy too just like the Wall Street banks who had been pushing and buying SUBPRIME LOANS since 2001. Freddie and Fannie didnt start buying Subprimes until 2006! And then only very limited compared to the Big Boyz on Wall Street. 
 FMFM only bought a small fraction of the subprimes.  Wall Street was pleading for more and more subprimes from the mortgage lenders for their infamous risky Collateralized Derivatives market which they were selling all over the world which sparked the global meltdown when most of the subprimes started turning bad. 

D) WOW. If anything defines greed its the Republicans who take 3 times the corporate campaign donations than Democrats do. Wall Street greed was the driving force for the meltdown. ANd that was because of the Republicans who deregulated them and cut their top tax rate down to 15% on Cap Gains and from 75% to 30% on income.

A low tax always unleashes incredible greed on Wall Street. THere wasnt a SINGLE banking crisis when the top tax rate was oveer 70% from 1936 to 1980. Reagan dropped the top rate down to 28% in 1986 and a year later we had the S and L Banking crisis with a large stock crash.  

E.) AND you can thank the Democrats for ALL those safety nets which the Republicans have voted AGAINST every time just like a national health care program now.

F) The Coprporations are now buying off the Dems too just like they ALWAYS have the Republicans.   So we now have a lot of "Corporate Dems" who vote Republican.  We need to purge them out of office.  

 
Well there you go again! Thank you Ron.

A. The Goremyster has been trying to lay claim that he created the internet "Super-Information Highway" for years when it was started mainly in California in the 60's and blossomed in the 70's.  It was created as an interscholastic informational hub between schools like Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, MIT (east coast) and a derivative of the government agency of DARPA called ARPANET. Towards the end of the 80's its need for growth forced It exploded into the scene in 1991 with further development of the hypertext protocol. Do you remember Mosaics or did Al create that to ?

B. And if we go by what you say that Al created the "Super-Information Highway" in the 90's, then he is to blame for the 2000 to 2008 house of cards right?

C.  Fannie and Freddie are PRIVATE/Public banks. True with an open backing by the government. They got too big and too powerful with no government oversite, doing what they wanted and how they wanted to do things with the blessings of both parties.

D.  Reagan dropped the top rate down to 28% in 1986 and a year later we had the S and L Banking crisis with a large stock crash. Really. You really want to go down that road. It takes more than a year to have created that fiasco and started festering in the late 70's . Shall I mention Jimmy Carter and 76 to 80?

E.  If I recall, the Great Depression was corrected with the creation of "The New Deal" by FDR. With initial hesitation by the republican party, they worked together in creating programs such as the WPA and Social Security Act. And I think FDR was one of the greatest presidents in US history.

Now this is pulled from Wiki: Roosevelt worked with Republican Senator George Norris to create the largest government-owned industrial enterprise in American history.
and
Conservative Democrats, led by Al Smith, fought back with the American Liberty League, savagely attacking Roosevelt and equating him with Marx and Lenin.

So even history has shown that even when the Democrats were in control, they always have fought amongst themselves.

F.  Lots of "Corporate Dems" who vote Republican.  If this were true, then why did 99% of the Democrats vote in favor for the House bill healthcare plan and all Democratic Senators vote for the bill? They all have been bought off by corporate America.

So in conclusion, no matter what I say, you'll always say that the Democrats never do anything wrong and it's always the Republicans that have created all our woe's.

I bet you couldn't even credit any Republican presidents for good they've done.




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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 1:50pm

 genepicard wrote:

Thank you for posting the omission of fuh2.

A.)    It's remarkable how they can't see the trees through the forest. Why did you stop at Bush2 and not include Obama?  At this rate it will be doubled to 23 Trillion by the Obama administration after his first and only term. 

B)    Seems that I had a job during 1981-1992 slim pickins' from 1993-2000 and then work again from 2000 and on. Can you explain that?

C)     It was necessary to spend that money to stop the bleeding. 3 Trillion dollars worth? Stimulus package? Cash for Clunkers? Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac? Thanks Barnie Frank! He knew and did nothing! The banks that are screwing us over big time! The American car companies that build crap and the unions that are sooooo overpaid at $60/hr to tighten a screw and then complain they want more health-care concessions.

D)  GREED is screwing us over in this country. It's the ME! ME! ME!  mentality. "I'm OK and who cares about you".

E)    And don't even compare the Great Depression to today's economic crisis. It's not even close. You have no idea what it was like unless you lived it. There were no fail safe's or safety nets for anyone. Everybody was in the same boat then except for the very rich. No food, no heat, no hosing, no medical care, no jobs.

          I completely believe that we're watching the disintegration of the Republican party, due to its refusal to help the country and its disingenuous political obstructionism.
EDIT: I completely believe that we're watching the disintegration of the Republican Democratic party, due to its refusal to work with the country's wishes. Who is dropping out of the race before the midterm elections start? Not the Republicans.

The greatest complement I ever received was by then Representative Paul Tsongas when I won a debate I had with him when I was in high school. He knew that I was on the Republican side of the spectrum and he still said that I should run for political office. I said I had no ambitions to to so, only to voice my opinion.  He was one of the most down to earth Democratic statesman I've ever known and one who is missed. He was a real Democrat, not the one's that are in office today.

F)   Who controls congress? Both the House, Senate, and Presidency! Democrats. They can't even work amongst themselves.
So don't put the blame on one party when it runs deep on both sides.
 
A)  Clinton faced a huge budget deficit too but by raising the top tax rate by just 5% to 39% he had a budget surplus in 2000. It also helped that he had a Tech Dot.com Boom which Clinton and Gore had a big hand in by intiating the national "Super-Information Highway" as they callled it then.   In the 1992 campaign most people hadnt a clue about what CLinton/Gore were talking about. It was mostly Gore's baby. Thanks Al.

B)Yeah, the Boom from 2000 to 2008 was just another big Boom but it was built on a house of cards JUST like the 1920's Boom built on finance, mortgages and stocks. It ended with the Crash of 1929 which initiated the Great Depression.
DEMOCRAT FDR's huge New Deal jobs stimulus brought the unemployment rate from 25% in 1933 down to 14% by '36. The enormous WW2 stimulus ended the Great Depression with full employment. Unfortunately though,  that left no long lasting infrastructure like his New Deal did.

c) Fannie and Freddie are PRIVATE/Public banks.  So, they got greedy too just like the Wall Street banks who had been pushing and buying SUBPRIME LOANS since 2001. Freddie and Fannie didnt start buying Subprimes until 2006! And then only very limited compared to the Big Boyz on Wall Street. 
 FMFM only bought a small fraction of the subprimes.  Wall Street was pleading for more and more subprimes from the mortgage lenders for their infamous risky Collateralized Derivatives market which they were selling all over the world which sparked the global meltdown when most of the subprimes started turning bad. 

D) WOW. If anything defines greed its the Republicans who take 3 times the corporate campaign donations than Democrats do. Wall Street greed was the driving force for the meltdown. ANd that was because of the Republicans who deregulated them and cut their top tax rate down to 15% on Cap Gains and from 75% to 30% on income.

A low tax always unleashes incredible greed on Wall Street. THere wasnt a SINGLE banking crisis when the top tax rate was oveer 70% from 1936 to 1980. Reagan dropped the top rate down to 28% in 1986 and a year later we had the S and L Banking crisis with a large stock crash.  

E.) AND you can thank the Democrats for ALL those safety nets which the Republicans have voted AGAINST every time just like a national health care program now.

F) The Coprporations are now buying off the Dems too just like they ALWAYS have the Republicans.   So we now have a lot of "Corporate Dems" who vote Republican.  We need to purge them out of office.  


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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 11:54am

 kurtster wrote:

Obama  2009 - 2010  $11>$14 trillion

that's $ 3 trillion in 1 year.
 
just sayin'

 
Thank you for posting the omission of fuh2.

It's remarkable how they can't see the trees through the forest. Why did you stop at Bush2 and not include Obama?  At this rate it will be doubled to 23 Trillion by the Obama administration after his first and only term. 

Seems that I had a job during 1981-1992 slim pickins' from 1993-2000 and then work again from 2000 and on. Can you explain that?

It was necessary to spend that money to stop the bleeding. 3 Trillion dollars worth? Stimulus package? Cash for Clunkers? Fannie Mae? Freddie Mac? Thanks Barnie Frank! He knew and did nothing! The banks that are screwing us over big time! The American car companies that build crap and the unions that are sooooo overpaid at $60/hr to tighten a screw and then complain they want more health-care concessions.

GREED is screwing us over in this country. It's the ME! ME! ME!  mentality. "I'm OK and who cares about you".

And don't even compare the Great Depression to today's economic crisis. It's not even close. You have no idea what it was like unless you lived it. There were no fail safe's or safety nets for anyone. Everybody was in the same boat then except for the very rich. No food, no heat, no hosing, no medical care, no jobs.

          I completely believe that we're watching the disintegration of the Republican party, due to its refusal to help the country and its disingenuous political obstructionism.
EDIT: I completely believe that we're watching the disintegration of the Republican Democratic party, due to its refusal to work with the country's wishes. Who is dropping out of the race before the midterm elections start? Not the Republicans.

The greatest complement I ever received was by then Representative Paul Tsongas when I won a debate I had with him when I was in high school. He knew that I was on the Republican side of the spectrum and he still said that I should run for political office. I said I had no ambitions to to so, only to voice my opinion.  He was one of the most down to earth Democratic statesman I've ever known and one who is missed. He was a real Democrat, not the one's that are in office today.

Who controls congress? Both the House, Senate, and Presidency! Democrats. They can't even work amongst themselves.
So don't put the blame on one party when it runs deep on both sides.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 10:47am

 kurtster wrote:

Obama  2009 - 2010  $11>$14 trillion

that's $ 3 trillion in 1 year.
 
just sayin'
 
Just sayin' what? That he was handed a sh*tstorm, including the collapse of the banking system and real estate market and job market and international relations, and at least one poorly considered and extended war, and then within one year hasn't been able to do more while spending less while confronted with about half his Congress actively obstructing anything he tries to accomplish?

Remember, he didn't have an opportunity to change policy beginning on day one. All the collapse that was occurring as he stepped into office, and the continuing collapse that had inertia into the beginning of his term - that can't be his doing, logically.

I know better than to have heroes, and I'm intentionally not registered as either Dem or Repub. But it's clear to an outsider that the GOP has been obstreperous and selfish, while the country collapses under their lack of cooperation. I completely believe that we're watching the disintegration of the Republican party, due to its refusal to help the country and its disingenuous political obstructionism.

Who runs the GOP and creates its policy? Steele? Limbaugh? Palin? Beck? Liz Cheney?
 


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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 6:14am

 hippiechick wrote:

It was necessary to spend that money to stop the bleeding. To look strictly at the numbers does not give you a complete picture. It is the consensus among economists that this is not the time to start balancing the budget.
 

Yes, for reference, see "Great Depression". Doing nothing would have made it further spiral out of control and you would be seeing 20 % unemployment. I get sick and tired of people blaming Obama for what he inherited. A year from now maybe a different story but remember what he started with. He is starting debt reduction commision because congress was too wussified to do it, and of course, even though Republicans had previously wanted it, they are now, of course against it. I causght some of a Frontline show the other day and had to turn it off because its was just making me angry how the whole bank de-regulation came about, pushed by Phil Gram. There is more then a few Dems and Clinton who signed it that are to blame as well, but there was lady who got rolled for even suggesting to regulate the derivitives markets. People never learn.
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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 5:50am

 kurtster wrote:

Obama  2009 - 2010  $11>$14 trillion

that's $ 3 trillion in 1 year.
 
just sayin'

 
It was necessary to spend that money to stop the bleeding. To look strictly at the numbers does not give you a complete picture. It is the consensus among economists that this is not the time to start balancing the budget.

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Posted: Feb 18, 2010 - 5:03am

 fuh2 wrote:

Looks like you've been listening to the lying Republican liars on radio and TV.  The 3 GOP Presidents Reagan, Bush 1 and 2,  took our national debt from about $1 trillion to $11 Trillion.

NATIONAL DEBT

Reagan 1980-1988 $1>$3 trillion

Bush 1- 1988-1992 $3>$5 Trillion

Clinton -1992-2000 $5>$5 trillion

Bush 2 -2000-2008 $5>$11 trillion

 
Obama  2009 - 2010  $11>$14 trillion

that's $ 3 trillion in 1 year.
 
just sayin'
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