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Posted: Jan 5, 2020 - 8:12am

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Posted: Jan 5, 2020 - 8:06am



 Isabeau wrote:
In every policy that could benefit Americans, it is asked "How Will We PAY for it?"
Why now that we have a Trillion Dollar deficit - thanks in no small part to the uber wealth tax cut,does no one ask: HOW WILL WE PAY FOR ANOTHER WAR?
I have a sneaky suspicion I will never see any of the Social Security I paid into...
 

Yeah, there's money available for slaughter and destruction. The military-industrial complex requires that.
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Posted: Jan 5, 2020 - 7:51am

In every policy that could benefit Americans, it is asked "How Will We PAY for it?"
Why now that we have a Trillion Dollar deficit - thanks in no small part to the uber wealth tax cut,does no one ask: HOW WILL WE PAY FOR ANOTHER WAR?
I have a sneaky suspicion I will never see any of the Social Security I paid into...
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Posted: Jan 4, 2020 - 12:42pm

Some people are saying...
Lies About Iran Killing US Troops in Iraq Are a Ploy to Justify War
Special Representative for Iran Brian Hook, whose job is to round up international support for the Trump administration’s campaign of “maximum pressure” on Iran, presented the charge at a State Department press briefing on April 2. “I can announce today, based on declassified US military reports,” Hook said, “that Iran is responsible for the deaths of 608 American service members. This accounts for 17 percent of all deaths of US personnel in Iraq from 2003 to 2011.”

Navy Commander Sean Robertson followed up with an email to media outlets pushing that same line. When this writer asked Robertson for further clarification of the origins of that figure, however, he acknowledged that the Pentagon doesn’t have any study, documentation, or data to provide journalists that would support such a figure.

In fact, the myth that Tehran is responsible for killing over 600 US troops in the Iraq War is merely a new variant of a propaganda line that former Vice President Dick Cheney used to attempt to justify a war against Iran more than a decade ago. Reviewing the history of that earlier effort is necessary to understand why the new myth is a palpable lie.

The U.S. has gone rogue, and Canada may be caught in the crossfire
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Posted: Nov 17, 2019 - 9:13am



 miamizsun wrote:


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innocent human beings are being extinguished, which is without any doubt the worst human rights violation possible

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Agreed.  The US-sponsored War on Terrorism carries huge strategic risks and has already blown back against US interests.  The US kill ratio in the Mid-East is just phenomenal  (over 100:1?) and that will blow back even if most blow back victims to date have been in Europe or elsewhere in the world.

The War on Terrorism seemed tailored to dehumanizing and demonizing people in order to make it easier to kill innocent civilians.

That said, folks in uniform are not responsible for bad policy choices, and there is a broad interest in maintaining professional law-abiding behaviour and standards among the troops.  They are already at risk because of US Mid-East policy.  These pardons put them at further risk and provide justification for other nation states to commit war crimes.  

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Posted: Nov 17, 2019 - 7:49am

 miamizsun wrote:

thx   {#Wave}

how about a peaceful cup of coffee?

kahlua optional
 
{#Wave}Just finished mine a few minutes ago. With as small mix of 2 different whiskeys.
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Posted: Nov 17, 2019 - 7:33am

 SeriousLee wrote:

it's ok {#Cheers}
 
thx   {#Wave}

how about a peaceful cup of coffee?

kahlua optional
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Posted: Nov 17, 2019 - 7:28am

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for me the real issue is illegitimate government sponsored war at all

all of the death, destruction and debt is couched politically as some sort virtuous violence or moral murder

or wait for it: aid (usually a large part of it is a fat credit to purchase weapons systems from our military industrial complex)

innocent human beings are being extinguished, which is without any doubt the worst human rights violation possible

and what do politicians see as a top priority?

it's disgusting

sorry for the rant
 
it's ok {#Cheers}
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Posted: Nov 17, 2019 - 7:20am

 westslope wrote: 

for me the real issue is illegitimate government sponsored war at all

all of the death, destruction and debt is couched politically as some sort virtuous violence or moral murder

or wait for it: aid (usually a large part of it is a fat credit to purchase weapons systems from our military industrial complex)

innocent human beings are being extinguished, which is without any doubt the worst human rights violation possible

and what do politicians see as a top priority?

it's disgusting

sorry for the rant


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Posted: Nov 16, 2019 - 4:06pm

 westslope wrote:
I hear read and hear a lot of weasel words about how patriotic white Americans support their armed forces.  Do they?  Why are these same people not rallying in the streets in opposition to these pardons?
 
“We are not going to apologize for America. We are going to stand up for America. No more apologies.”
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Posted: Nov 16, 2019 - 7:40am



 westslope wrote:
Trump Clears Three Service Members in War Crimes Cases - NYT


Trump Betrays the Military

His intervention in decisions about war crimes undermines the moral standing of the armed forces.

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I hear read and hear a lot of weasel words about how patriotic white Americans support their armed forces.  Do they?  Why are these same people not rallying in the streets in opposition to these pardons? 

Do they have no understanding of how these pardons undermine US moral standing and ultimately the safety of US troops as well as civilians? 

I view these pardons as worse than the partisan political bribery/extortion Trump tried to pull off in the Ukraine.   This has to be one of the most America-hating, self-loathing executive decisions that Trump has made in his first mandate.  
 

Just one of many dark sides to this buffoon. That's why we want him out - we are actually scared of what he may do. But we have an entire political party that has sold themselves to the highest bidder and refuse to recognize anything but their political futures. Thus the hearings. Its time Jethro and Cletus hear facts instead of Faux Spews conspiracies. They'll continue to deny and defend, but its getting harder and harder to do so.
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Posted: Nov 16, 2019 - 6:45am

Trump Clears Three Service Members in War Crimes Cases - NYT


Trump Betrays the Military

His intervention in decisions about war crimes undermines the moral standing of the armed forces.

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I read and hear a lot of weasel words about how patriotic white Americans support their armed forces.  Do they?  Why are these same people not rallying in the streets in opposition to these pardons? 

Do they have no understanding of how these pardons undermine US moral standing and ultimately the safety of US troops as well as civilians? 

I view these pardons as worse than the partisan political bribery/extortion Trump tried to pull off in the Ukraine.   This has to be one of the most America-hating, self-loathing executive decisions that Trump has made in his first mandate.  
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Posted: Nov 15, 2019 - 2:47pm

The US and Britain face no existential threat. So why do their wars go on?
Why does no one mention the war? The most militaristic, belligerent and chauvinist country I know – and also love – is the US. People fly flags from every post and see “bad guys” under every bed. When the president, Donald Trump, vows to leave the Middle East he is condemned as a traitor even by his fans.

The second most belligerent is Britain, albeit less so. With America, it is continuing to fight the so-called “wars of 9/11”, 18 years after they began – battling in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, in Britain’s case covertly. There is not the remotest sign of “victory” in sight. Somehow they are not seen as wars, just the licensed killing of foreigners.

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Posted: Oct 19, 2019 - 10:43am

https://www.antiwar.com/
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Posted: Oct 18, 2019 - 4:17pm

Turkish Proxies Appear to Be Using White Phosphorus in Syria

Photos of children show horrific burns caused by what looks like white phosphorus.

BY | OCTOBER 17, 2019, 6:21 PM


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This is not the first time that US-backed forces have deployed white phosphorous in Syria.  Israel used white phosphorous in the Gaza strip a few years ago.


This article contains photos:

'Dad stop the burning, I beg you': Horrifying footage reveals badly-burned Kurdish children in Syria amid claims Turkey is using banned weapons such as napalm and white phosphorus




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Posted: Oct 14, 2019 - 7:04am



 miamizsun wrote:
the real problem with war?

it is that eventually people get tired of the death and destruction

just the insanity of feeding the insatiable gaping maw with human beings and resources

will soldiers just say i've had enough of this sh*t and go home?

beat their drones and ak 47s into plow shares?

when is now a good time?


 
Yep.  Now if we can keep this going,  Afghanistan, Iraq, Korea, Japan, Germany...list goes on and on.   People suffered  because we came, people suffer because we are there and people will suffer because we leave, but then the healing can begin.   We cannot protect the world without horrendous side effects including the sacrificing of our own citizens, protection of homeland only has to be the litmus test before the unleashing of violence.  Bring our people home.


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Posted: Oct 14, 2019 - 5:46am

the real problem with war?

it is that eventually people get tired of the death and destruction

just the insanity of feeding the insatiable gaping maw with human beings and resources

will soldiers just say i've had enough of this sh*t and go home?

beat their drones and ak 47s into plow shares?

when is now a good time?


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Posted: Jun 24, 2019 - 8:33am



 R_P wrote:
These respectable American war criminals reveal that many Americans live in an alternative reality, where their government’s war crimes, if ever mentioned by mainstream media, are usually called “mistakes,” and rarely investigated or persistently challenged. In calling America ”the greatest nation on earth” and “the exceptional nation” and saying “Make American Great Again,” Presidents Bush and Obama and Trump are attributing to America a moral superiority, which conveniently serves to cover up the U.S. government’s imperialistic war crimes. A moral superiority which many Christians especially have been conditioned to believe because of their own exceptional Christian self-image. People need to be morally diminished to justify their subjugation.

Respectable American war criminals count on respectable people of faith. These political leaders could not get away with their war crimes and then be honored in high – and holy — places without the accommodation of people of faith. This is not to discount the immeasurable good works people of faith perform. But when it comes to speaking truth to the U.S. government’s criminal global wars against so-called “terrorism,” more often than not people of faith remain respectable chaplains of the status quo, rather than prophets of all the people. It is about power, not morality.

 
I dont disagree with any of the facts in this piece, but perhaps the one-sided narrative...U.S. as some careless imperialist nation.    Yet, the end, when right, should not justify the means.  

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Posted: Jun 23, 2019 - 4:29pm

from the same piece below:


Edward S. Herman, now deceased American economist, media scholar and
social critic, wrote that “the ratio of dead Iraqi children to deaths in
the WTC/Pentagon bombings was better than 80 to 1,”
but “the mainstream
media and intellectuals have not found Albright’s rationalization of
this mass killing of any interest whatsoever.” Their interest is about
“who” not “why.” Herman asked, “Is it not morally chilling, even a bit
frightening, that he and the great mass of citizen
compatriots, can focus with such anguish and indignation on their own
6,000 dead, while ignorant of, or not caring about, or approving his
(their) own government’s ongoing killing of scores of times as many
innocents abroad?” He also said, “Because the media make the suffering
and death of 500,000 children invisible, the outrage produced by the
intense coverage of the WCT/Pentagon bombing victims does not surface on
their behalf. . . . The media . . . are not interested in root causes.”
Herman concluded, “This reflects the work of a superb propaganda
system.” (Ibid)




I would add that the sanctions applied against Venezuela are more than likely contributing to hunger and mass emigration. Venezuelans fleeing on foot seem to be more likely to be victims of violent crime.

Worse, yet, I fully expect the sanctions to encourage even more resistance by Maduro and collaborators dragging any regime by many more years and hurting American multinational prospects in Latin America.

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Posted: Jun 23, 2019 - 11:49am

These respectable American war criminals reveal that many Americans live in an alternative reality, where their government’s war crimes, if ever mentioned by mainstream media, are usually called “mistakes,” and rarely investigated or persistently challenged. In calling America ”the greatest nation on earth” and “the exceptional nation” and saying “Make American Great Again,” Presidents Bush and Obama and Trump are attributing to America a moral superiority, which conveniently serves to cover up the U.S. government’s imperialistic war crimes. A moral superiority which many Christians especially have been conditioned to believe because of their own exceptional Christian self-image. People need to be morally diminished to justify their subjugation.

Respectable American war criminals count on respectable people of faith. These political leaders could not get away with their war crimes and then be honored in high – and holy — places without the accommodation of people of faith. This is not to discount the immeasurable good works people of faith perform. But when it comes to speaking truth to the U.S. government’s criminal global wars against so-called “terrorism,” more often than not people of faith remain respectable chaplains of the status quo, rather than prophets of all the people. It is about power, not morality.

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