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hippiechick

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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 5:35pm

OBAMACARE IS AWESOME!!!
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 5:13pm

 DaveInVA wrote:

He is arrogant enough to think he is above the Supreme Court so I am sure he'll blow it off and not give them the time of day.

 

I really hope he blows them off.  Its time to get down to the real business of government, who is accountable to who. 

Obama and Holder have thumbed their collective noses at our courts for long enough, starting with Obama's contempt of court over drilling in the Gulf.  Holder holds himself above the law as well illustrated by his handling of Fast and Furious and the Black Panthers in Philadelphia.

Now Obama is thumbing his nose at the SCOTUS, trying to bully them into seeing it his way, with one of his own appointees onboard who helped write the freaking law, who should have recused herself.  Obama is beyond arrogant.  Doesn't have to be Constitutional if Congress passed it.  One day its a tax and the next day its a mandated penalty.  Some Constitutional scholar he is, not.  Liar, he is.  A bigger liar than even Nixon and Clinton.  Equal to LBJ and MacNamarra however.
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 5:01pm

 kurtster wrote:


I can't wait to read Holder's paper ... that is if he thinks he has to ... I don't think Holder would know a court order or a law if it hit him upside his head ...

 



Actually, a very good lawyer and former judge
DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 4:44pm

 kurtster wrote:


I can't wait to read Holder's paper ... that is if he thinks he has to ... I don't think Holder would know a court order or a law if it hit him upside his head ...

 
He is arrogant enough to think he is above the Supreme Court so I am sure he'll blow it off and not give them the time of day.
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 4:41pm

 DaveInVA wrote: 

I can't wait to read Holder's paper ... that is if he thinks he has to ... I don't think Holder would know a court order or a law if it hit him upside his head ...
DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 4:36pm

Mark Levin DISINTEGRATES Obama Court Shot


DaveInSaoMiguel

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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 4:36pm

Mark Levin DISINTEGRATES Obama Court Shot


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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 3:35pm

Judges order Justice Department to clarify following Obama remarks on health law case
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Posted: Apr 3, 2012 - 7:41am

 jagdriver wrote:
What Constitution?

Being absent from school the week that U.S. balance of power was the topic of study, apparently POTUS doesn't understand the purpose of having a Supreme Court:

The president, adopting what he described as the language of conservatives who fret about judicial activism, questioned how an "unelected group of people" could overturn a law approved by Congress. 

"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/obama-confident-supreme-court-will-uphold-health-care-law/#ixzz1qurttrXD

 
Didn't he warn them of 'Judicial Activism'? lolwut? What the hell where HIS appointments?

This Obama guy is a slick doubletalker.


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Posted: Apr 2, 2012 - 9:01pm

 jagdriver wrote:
What Constitution?

Being absent from school the week that U.S. balance of power was the topic of study, apparently POTUS doesn't understand the purpose of having a Supreme Court:

The president, adopting what he described as the language of conservatives who fret about judicial activism, questioned how an "unelected group of people" could overturn a law approved by Congress. 

"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/obama-confident-supreme-court-will-uphold-health-care-law/#ixzz1qurttrXD

 
I saw that today. Curious statement, and curious timing. I think it would be much more powerful if he spoke in terms of upholding already established precedents regardless of political affiliations. And it's probably a bit late - I think the votes are already in. 
miamizsun

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Posted: Apr 2, 2012 - 5:41pm

 hobiejoe wrote:

How sadly ironic. Just as our new Tory government are destroying the NHS, the most effective, most cost efficient, most bloody brilliant health care system in the world.
 
They're privatising it. Opening it up to the sharks. Got US Health Corporation shares? Seen them rise? Yup, that'll be when the evil, venal Tory's passed the Bill that allowed Big Healthcare to rip apart our NHS. They never said that they'd do that during the election campaign though.
 
Already treatments that were previously free are being rationed or axed, already waiting lists are growing. And what do we find? Our newspapers full of and our postboxes stuffed with advertisements for health insurance.
 
The NHS - free healthcare from the cradle to the grave. RIP 1946-2012.
 
Bastards
 
 
/rant.
 
*Edit* The only good news I know of is that your fellows in Wales are using their admitedly weak devolved powers from Westminster to do their damndest to protect the NHS in Wales, as are their fellow celts in Scotland.

 
so government is going to pay private doctors or private insurance companies, or maybe even private hospitals to service the population?

just curious

i'm thinking this isn't like the free market

it's probably like they were lobbied to put corporate friends on the government's payroll

regards
hobiejoe

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Posted: Apr 2, 2012 - 3:21pm

 oldslabsides wrote:

As shocking as it will be, being purely pragmatic: socialized medicine.

 
How sadly ironic. Just as our new Tory government are destroying the NHS, the most effective, most cost efficient, most bloody brilliant health care system in the world.
 
They're privatising it. Opening it up to the sharks. Got US Health Corporation shares? Seen them rise? Yup, that'll be when the evil, venal Tory's passed the Bill that allowed Big Healthcare to rip apart our NHS. They never said that they'd do that during the election campaign though.
 
Already treatments that were previously free are being rationed or axed, already waiting lists are growing. And what do we find? Our newspapers full of and our postboxes stuffed with advertisements for health insurance.
 
The NHS - free healthcare from the cradle to the grave. RIP 1946-2012.
 
Bastards
 
 
/rant.
 
*Edit* The only good news I know of is that your fellows in Wales are using their admitedly weak devolved powers from Westminster to do their damndest to protect the NHS in Wales, as are their fellow celts in Scotland.


kurtster

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Posted: Apr 2, 2012 - 1:37pm

 jagdriver wrote:
What Constitution?

Being absent from school the week that U.S. balance of power was the topic of study, apparently POTUS doesn't understand the purpose of having a Supreme Court:

The president, adopting what he described as the language of conservatives who fret about judicial activism, questioned how an "unelected group of people" could overturn a law approved by Congress. 

"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/obama-confident-supreme-court-will-uphold-health-care-law/#ixzz1qurttrXD

 

He was also absent during the discussion about judicial activism which is creating law from the bench by doing more than just deciding on whether a law stands or falls and actually dictating new laws based upon their decisions and incorporating perspectives on laws from foreign countries in the reasoning and justification for their decisions.
jagdriver

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Posted: Apr 2, 2012 - 1:21pm

What Constitution?

Being absent from school the week that U.S. balance of power was the topic of study, apparently POTUS doesn't understand the purpose of having a Supreme Court:

The president, adopting what he described as the language of conservatives who fret about judicial activism, questioned how an "unelected group of people" could overturn a law approved by Congress. 

"I'm confident that the Supreme Court will not take what would be an unprecedented, extraordinary step of overturning a law that was passed by a strong majority of a democratically elected Congress," Obama said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/02/obama-confident-supreme-court-will-uphold-health-care-law/#ixzz1qurttrXD
jagdriver

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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 - 12:11pm

What's all the fuss about broccoli? I already know that GHWB doesn't eat it. His loss; it's tasty and helps ward off cancer.
Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 29, 2012 - 12:03pm

 oldviolin wrote:

cereal-yay

 

Honeycomb?
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Posted: Mar 28, 2012 - 8:12pm

 Manbird wrote:
All you people who are against the government helping out low income people with health insurance are basically against me living another 2 years. Period. Thanks, friends. 

 
cereal-yay
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Posted: Mar 28, 2012 - 8:04pm

 miamizsun wrote:

yep, and if people can't afford it now i submit that the gov't price fixing for corporate profits and charging it on the credit card (borrowing it from the children and grandchildren) or forcing future generations to pay for political theft/robbery now isn't a solution

peace

 


Column: Health care law too ill for court to fix

by David M. Walker, who is CEO of the Comeback America Initiative and former comptroller general of the United States
USA Today
March 26, 2012

Where do we go from here? Americans must demand that our elected officials return to the drawing board, irrespective of the Supreme Court's decision, and come up with meaningful reforms that create a responsible, affordable and sustainable health care system. Unfortunately, given that it is a presidential election year, it's likely that political parties will revert to their usual talking points. Democrats will argue that we need to let the law take effect, while Republicans will continue to urge for a full repeal. Both are misguided, and voters need to hold them accountable.

When Congress and the president do finally get to work, they need to meaningfully engage Americans on what level of universal coverage is appropriate. Reform also needs to provide an annual limit for federal health care expenditures, and also change payment, malpractice, tax incentive and premium approaches. It's time to be honest with Americans. We can't provide everything people want and expect our children, grandchildren and future generations to pay for it. This is fiscally irresponsible and immoral — and it must stop.
 


Red_Dragon

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Posted: Mar 28, 2012 - 7:45pm

 miamizsun wrote:

yep, and if people can't afford it now i submit that the gov't price fixing for corporate profits and charging it on the credit card (borrowing it from the children and grandchildren) or forcing future generations to pay for political theft/robbery now isn't a solution

peace

 
aye, and there's the rub.
miamizsun

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Posted: Mar 28, 2012 - 7:44pm

 islander wrote:

That would be like treating the problem instead of the symptom.

 
yep, and if people can't afford it now i submit that the gov't price fixing for corporate profits and charging it on the credit card (borrowing it from the children and grandchildren) or forcing future generations to pay for political theft/robbery now isn't a solution

peace
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