Isabeau wrote: 
War in any context makes fools of most of us. The rest it kills...

 oldviolin wrote: 
oh. okay.  

 Isabeau wrote: 
You're directing your righteous indignation at the wrong person. I find no need for equivocation regarding the madness of fools.

 islander wrote: 
You Survived!! 

 oldviolin wrote: 
Then let's have some lovely shots of innocent civilian Mothers and children blown to bits by OUR bombs in Middle East Wars.
Sound muted, with Wagner playing as the blood spatters.

Why the horror of a Process ending but not equally of a Live Result? A Process that often ends similarly around the time when many miscarriages happen. Most women do not have terminations after 8-10 weeks. I once met a woman with 3 children, one with Spinal Bifida, sobbing, because the spermicide/condom didn't work and she found herself pregnant. She felt she had to terminate this pregnancy.... simply for her and her husband to afford to take care of the family they have.

Whose quality of life is being threatened, changed, or in any way affected what an American woman does with her personal and family issues?
Is Liberty Only about Federal Lands, Guns, Ignoring EPA rules and Religious Expression? 
What business is it of yours interfering with a Woman's own personal decision, between her, her family, her doctor and her relationship with  her God?

For a country that worships is War, Guns and Capital Punishment, it has NO CREDIBILITY weighing on the 'Value' of Life.
The Nazarene clearly stated his rejection of violence in Any form. Yet too many conveniently play Spiritual Hopscotch between teaching and testaments when it suits their arguments.
 

It's merely SELECTIVE MORALITY. 

and WE still pay for it

 islander wrote: 
I remember a picture of my brother at my mom's feet on the floor of the front seat of my parents 195something Buik

 ScottFromWyoming wrote: 
I've been going through some old pictures. I have one that has me as an infant on the kitchen floor while my mom has her back turned and is doing something at the stove (I doubt it was cooking, that just wasn't her style).  I affectionately call 'benign neglect'. I think it worked out okay.

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

 
right. every parent likely accidently says something "shameful" or doesn't control themselves once in a while and hits......

I think all of the time is helicopter parenting. Much  of knowing how to entertain one's self is learned as a kid......

I also want to say that parenting is hard (I think ) so want to give people space to sometimes get lost in a freecell game on their phone or or or

 meower wrote: 
I think that's ...good enough. :slapsknee:
 
Some of those, I would want to strive for 100%, some would say spanking is required...

Being present most of the time is good, All of the time, is that helicopter parenting? 

 miamizsun wrote:

 
Agreed. Likely a large part of the reason that I didn't become a parent.

In the Biz, we talk about "good enough parenting" which honestly MOST parents are able to provide, I think.

a good enough parent is there most of the time that their child (in a developmentally appropriate manner) needs them, and puts their child first much of the time. A good enough parent does not use shame to manage their child's behavior 99% of the time. A good enough parent doesn't use their physical ways to manage their child's behavior 99% of the time. A good enough parent is present with their child MOST of the time. A good enough parent talks to their child about family/school/community values and works to get their child to abide by these values much of the time.

I think.

 (obviously I'm not a parent, so please chime in moms'ndads)

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 marko86 wrote: 
I think that is not entirely true. Go to YouTube and you will find a video of Sean Hannity, of all people, being pretty nasty to a Catholic priest on the show for being against birth control. 

Did you ever think you and Hannity would agree about birth control?  

 miamizsun wrote: 
One of many reasons I a have an extreme dislike to Republicans, because they are, by all accounts, fundamentally against birth control. They have been pretty much all opposed to health coverage for birth control. Plan B availability (which prevents coverage, and most importantly Planned Parenthood, which primarily provide health services to women and especially birth control to poor women. Isn't it way cheaper to provide birth control then pay for children on welfare? 

 oldviolin wrote:
But of course.

 meower wrote: 
a few random thoughts...

i'm exposed through my job and my other half (a pre-k, k and first grade teacher) to the inner city school system

it's pretty brutal

i do support a woman's right to choose

and i'm not a big fan of abortion, however i think using birth control to prevent both (unwanted children and pregnancy) would be much wiser

a question that should be posed to parents: what am i responsible for?

having/raising children is a huge responsibility

what would be the goal/incentive of having a child?

people thinking about having children should understand what is involved and what conditions need to be in place for a child to flourish

i think if we look at the successful cases we'll see some clues

has anyone looked the data or provided that data to your agency?

just curious

peace

 RichardPrins wrote:
Since we've apparently come to the tit for tat portion of our exchange I'll just leave it there. One of us is twisting what the other is saying into the usual regression. I'll only say that one need only look at the state of the world today to make their own judgements as to knowledge juxtaposed with doubt. Thanks for the clarification.
 

 oldviolin wrote:
Repeated talk of judgement and "reaping what you sow" suggests the opposite. Assured knowledge and a lack of doubt doesn't strike me as particularly humble either, but that's how it's usually presented.

The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. ~ Bertrand Russell.

 RichardPrins wrote: 
Au contraire, Richard. I appeal not to fear, but to reason. I know beyond the shadow of my own doubts that virtue is in fact spiritually evolved, and that humanistic and prideful man left to his own devices stands no chance without humility and the universality of LOVE.

 oldviolin wrote: 
No small or easy thing at all. It takes a lot of work to question the received wisdom, but that quest in itself will reveal and beat the repeated appeals to fear.

From pop culture: There's nothing to fear, but fear itself. Don't fear the reaper.

 RichardPrins wrote: 
No small thing, then? The proverbial proof of the pudding is in the eating? You can easily and cleverly attempt to belittle a worldview quite in contrast with your own. I take no umbrage beyond a virtual wince for the attempt at bruising the pretension of my delicate but assured self knowledge. And as to the rest? Well, let us thank the convolution of statistics for the exquisite wisdom they enlighten us with.