sirdroseph wrote: 
Again, the article is incomplete without any other verification.  What was the other part of the class told to write?  There is (conveniently) no mention of that.  If a teacher were trying to indoctrinate a classroom full of 4th-graders, why would she only have "part of the class" copy her alleged mantra.  As I said earlier though, anything is possible - but that story needs more facts.

 aflanigan wrote: 
You may view my other post as incendiary. It is really not a personal attack, even though it may disguise itself as somewhat akin to that.

 Proclivities wrote: 

That is what I think. I don't see a big conspiracy here, just the opinion of one teacher and her inappropriately having the children copy this down to possibly ingrain the thought in their young, impressionable minds? Don't know, I just get so peeved when all of these so called progressives were out in the streets decrying the civil rights abuses perpetrated by the Bush administration in the name of protecting our rights and now all of the sudden it is in vogue firstly because a Democrat is now pulling the strings and secondly because this idea of restricting our individual freedoms in the name of a greater good now plays into gun control legislation.  I cannot STAND hypocrisy and blind partisanship.

 aflanigan wrote: 
I've noticed that generally speaking, you tend to lay traps, rather than explain or defend your positions with logic. I have mostly found that this is a cloaking mechanism for people whose arguments are unable to be backed up factually, or who enjoy the chaos created by the emotional responses of others when they do so. Are you willing and able to take me to school? Is your education, social status, or other milieu so elevated in your own mind that you feel comfortable in machine-gunning several issues at once, watching the general scramble that ensues when folks try to address, refute, rebut, or otherwise redress your obfuscation and nihilistic approach?  I submit that it is intellectually dishonest to keep changing not only the rules of the game, but the game itself, while adopting an air of superiority - when all you've done is perform a cute parlor trick.

 aflanigan wrote: 

First of all, I don't really care about Glenn Beck only this incident which has absolutely nothing to do with Glenn Beck, he is only the source. Secondly, it would seem to me the ACLU more than anyone else would have a BIG problem with the mantra that this teacher had the students write out as an apparent indoctrination attempt. Thirdly, I had a big problem with Bush/Obama and their supposed "War on Terror" and suspension of civil rights in the name of fighting terror, what would make you think otherwise?  Certainly nothing I have ever posted.  Fourthly, I was not happy at all with Bush waterboarding or Bush AND OBAMA spying on American citizens as is happening RIGHT NOW and I have lamented often my problems with the BushObama administration (they are no different in my eyes).  I defy you to find anything I have posted that would suggest otherwise. Now, having said that. I ask again, why is it ok for Obama to do the same things Bush did, what is the difference??


From article;

“I am willing to give up some of my constitutional rights in order to be safer or more secure.”

Harvey’s son attends Cedar Hills Elementary in Jacksonville, Fla. Back in January, a local attorney came in to teach the students about the Bill of Rights. But after the attorney left, fourth-grade teacher Cheryl Sabb dictated the sentence to part of the class and had them copy it down, he said.

 gypsyman wrote: 

I had tongue in cheek there.  The manufactured outrage of the post in question seemed to be based on this clueless father being upset (two months after the fact) that his child was being taught that freedom can be a precarious thing, and its diminishment can be easily justified as expedient by politicians.

 sirdroseph wrote: 
The article is incomplete without any verification of why the teacher had some students write that; it's only the words of one parent - who emailed The Blaze; the rest of it is speculation.  I don't know if it's so much "indoctrination" which the article purports, but possibly some sort of "example" to see how many students would say that they would sacrifice certain rights for security and safety.  It does seem like something which is too philosophical for 4th-Grade students to grasp, though, and I could see why that father would be bothered by it.  Who knows, though?  Maybe the teacher believes that - anything's possible in Florida.

 sirdroseph wrote: 

I support the ACLU and the bill of rights regardless of who is in the White House.  Whereas Glenn Beck, whose website the Blaze posted this, does not. He basically wants to destroy the ACLU.  He's one of the people who the statement "I'm willing to surrender some of my freedom in exchange for being safer" (e.g. by suspending habeus corpus like Lincoln did) presumably applies to.  What about you? Do you support the ACLU and the bill of rights? Or are you willing to give up a little freedom in order to be safer? Were you happy when Bush decided waterboarding and spying on American citizens was necessary to fight the war on terror?

 sirdroseph wrote: 
They've mutated?  Now there will be trouble..... 

 aflanigan wrote: 
Brother, I am still trying to figure out how the Bill Of Rights is controversial. It is in fact, mostly incontrovertible.

 gypsyman wrote: 

Actually that is the problem.

Crickets.

What the heck is going on in here?

 aflanigan wrote: 

And yet you were probably up in arms (pun intended?) about our civil rights when Bush was President, what has changed?

 aflanigan wrote: 
Really. The purpose of teachers is to brainwash the students into thinking all the baby boomers were evil technologically backwards offspring of WWII killers, whose Medicare and Social Security rights should be taken away "legally" when the students become of voting age.

 Throw in about 50 million offspring of our current 11 million illegal aliens who will be able to vote, and I'd say some folks have a REALLY good plan in place.

 aflanigan wrote: 

You either did not read the article or are just trying to be contenious. Whatevs

 sirdroseph wrote: 

No kidding.  How dare this teacher teach children about controversial issues like the bill of rights? What were they thinking??

 sirdroseph wrote: 
Well, what do you expect, considering the country he lives in? 

Dad Furious After Finding This Crayon-Written Paper in Florida 4th-Grader’s Backpack: ‘I Am Willing to Give Up Some of My Constitutional Rights…to Be Safer’

Ok, this is messed up!!!

 sirdroseph wrote: 
God isn't involved.