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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 11:32am



 sirdroseph wrote:
Well the good news is our voter participation woes are solved.  I predict voter turnout to be about 137% this year.   Hell we have received at least 5 ballots so far and I am pretty sure someone else received a couple more of our ballots.   Does present a concern though.  I am going to vote in person on election day.  Will they notify me that I have already sent in 3 or 4 ballots by mail then or will they allow me to vote and then prosecute me for voter fraud because I attempted to vote 5 times like they are already doing to some people here in Georgia?
   Oh y'all worried now ain't ya?

 
According to the information I could find, only seven states are mailing non-requested, official absentee ballots to all eligible voters; Georgia is not among them.  Georgia is not even mailing applications for absentee voting. 
I've been getting a number of "official looking", thick letters in larger-than-average-size envelopes from The Center For Voter Information, and some other senders with information about absentee voting and early voting, but absentee ballots are not sent out in NC unless specifically requested.  I'm not sure what you're getting in the mail, unless the GA Board of Elections changed their policy.
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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 11:10am

 islander wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

I think you may have missed the point.  The point is with all of these proven numerous ballots sometimes going to wrong addresses with different peoples addresses on there it invites people to vote for them and have that vote counted if the actual person does not vote at all. This is real.  They should in theory catch anyone trying to vote more than once, but what about the possible thousands of people that did not even vote themselves, but had others vote in their names? 
 

This is a nice fantasy, but there have been several investigations - heck, even a presidential commision on voter fraud.  A handfull of cases were noted, but I have yet to see anything widespread or substantial enough to impact an outcome. And it seems like most of them were also caught and punished.
 
And you have totally missed the point as well.  I have received at least 5 or more different ballots so far; some for my wife; some for me; but they have all of my personal data sans only birthday pre populated.  Lets just say something crazy happens like the ballot was sent to wrong address or mail carrier put neighbor from down the street mail in your mailbox or vice versa which I know, never happens. <insert extreme sarcasm here>  Anyway, I or anyone can take the data and go onto say FB or wherever and get the birthday; fill out the form and wallah; the person the ballot was intended for has voted.  Now if that person votes, then the error will be discovered and the world is safe for democracy or whatever.  However if said person does not vote, well they did vote now didn't they and how is anyone to be the wiser?  Answer; they are not, this has, is and will happen again and the integrity of our election is even more muddy at a time where it really doesn't need to be not that anytime is good.  In effect, if the person whose ballot was filled out and mailed back does not vote there is no way to even detect fraud because that person just mailed in their vote; one for one and everything is cool, right?  In short, there are gonna be a lot of people who did not vote, but still got their vote cast by proxy without anyone possibly being the wiser.
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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 9:43am



 sirdroseph wrote:

I think you may have missed the point.  The point is with all of these proven numerous ballots sometimes going to wrong addresses with different peoples addresses on there it invites people to vote for them and have that vote counted if the actual person does not vote at all. This is real.  They should in theory catch anyone trying to vote more than once, but what about the possible thousands of people that did not even vote themselves, but had others vote in their names? 
 

This is a nice fantasy, but there have been several investigations - heck, even a presidential commision on voter fraud.  A handfull of cases were noted, but I have yet to see anything widespread or substantial enough to impact an outcome. And it seems like most of them were also caught and punished.
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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 9:12am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:
Well the good news is our voter participation woes are solved.  I predict voter turnout to be about 137% this year.   Hell we have received at least 5 ballots so far and I am pretty sure someone else received a couple more of our ballots.   Does present a concern though.  I am going to vote in person on election day.  Will they notify me that I have already sent in 3 or 4 ballots by mail then or will they allow me to vote and then prosecute me for voter fraud because I attempted to vote 5 times like they are already doing to some people here in Georgia?
   Oh y'all worried now ain't ya?
 
Elect better state officials. Ours are not impervious to fucking up but even as a lefty in the rightiest state, I don't have any feeling that the results are fabricated.

 
I think you may have missed the point.  The point is with all of these proven numerous ballots sometimes going to wrong addresses with different peoples addresses on there it invites people to vote for them and have that vote counted if the actual person does not vote at all. This is real.  They should in theory catch anyone trying to vote more than once, but what about the possible thousands of people that did not even vote themselves, but had others vote in their names? 
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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 7:03am



 sirdroseph wrote:
Well the good news is our voter participation woes are solved.  I predict voter turnout to be about 137% this year.   Hell we have received at least 5 ballots so far and I am pretty sure someone else received a couple more of our ballots.   Does present a concern though.  I am going to vote in person on election day.  Will they notify me that I have already sent in 3 or 4 ballots by mail then or will they allow me to vote and then prosecute me for voter fraud because I attempted to vote 5 times like they are already doing to some people here in Georgia?
   Oh y'all worried now ain't ya?

 
Elect better state officials. Ours are not impervious to fucking up but even as a lefty in the rightiest state, I don't have any feeling that the results are fabricated.

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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 4:38am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Well the good news is our voter participation woes are solved.  I predict voter turnout to be about 137% this year.   Hell we have received at least 5 ballots so far and I am pretty sure someone else received a couple more of our ballots.   Does present a concern though.  I am going to vote in person on election day.  Will they notify me that I have already sent in 3 or 4 ballots by mail then or will they allow me to vote and then prosecute me for voter fraud because I attempted to vote 5 times like they are already doing to some people here in Georgia?
   Oh y'all worried now ain't ya?
 
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- both political parties 
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Posted: Oct 7, 2020 - 3:50am

Well the good news is our voter participation woes are solved.  I predict voter turnout to be about 137% this year.   Hell we have received at least 5 ballots so far and I am pretty sure someone else received a couple more of our ballots.   Does present a concern though.  I am going to vote in person on election day.  Will they notify me that I have already sent in 3 or 4 ballots by mail then or will they allow me to vote and then prosecute me for voter fraud because I attempted to vote 5 times like they are already doing to some people here in Georgia?
   Oh y'all worried now ain't ya?

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 11:07pm



 westslope wrote:
To add from personal experience.

 

I agree with a lot, and disagree with some, of what you're posting.

However - this isn't the time in our culture to try to make sense of it without setting off a lot of people.

As long as races, genders, etc, are oppressed - intentionally using words that suggest that they're not part of mainstream culture will - quelle surprise! - make them angry. 



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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 5:19pm

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 4:13pm

Stereotype thinking seems to be your profession, and that "white trash" one particularly seems to be driving you. 
(No offense meant... none taken.)
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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 3:34pm

kcar and others interested in the racism, sectarianism, etc., debates.

To add from personal experience.

Five years of travelling through South America and Africa allowed me to observe folks mistreating others.   Often.   It allowed me to be on the listening end of mouthy racists.  It allowed me to hang with folks who had been the victims of other folks' big boot heels.

I have also been on the listening end of all kinds of mouthy racists in North America, in particular Canada.   On occasion, I have wondered if my looks were driving the conversation:  196cm.  Blue eyes.

Due to my looks, I have been on the receiving end of negative vibes from some BC First Nations and other non-whites.  Oddly enough, I never experienced those kinds of negative reactions from Chicanos, wetbacks and Black Africans in the USA.   Everybody was really friendly.  Well, a couple of wetbacks were super nervous but that is understandable.  <<No hay problema.  Yo mismo soy nevado.>>   which was meant to be "Snowback".  Some Chicano farm workers thought the joke was hilarious but the wetbacks never got over their fear. -hehe-

Folks in Quebec used to wonder if I was American.   I was outspoken in excellent quebecois French in ways that surprised them I guess.  As if...  You cannot really be English Canadian, can you?   What they were really thinking is:  You cannot really be a narrow-minded, obnoxious Square Head, maudit bloke, can you?  

I never personally met Pierre Vallières.  He wrote the White Niggers of America.  But I collaborated closely with his fellow Christian commune members based in Montreal in the 1980s peace and disarmament movement.   The fact that I also worked closely with one of the fathers of the Silent Revolution who went on to be one of the most radical Independentistes in Rene Levesque's Parti quebecois government probably helped with my street cred.

Quebec's nationalist movement always makes me feel torn.  On the one hand, as an English Canadian, I am very proud of how our political leaders slowly, patiently and peacefully co-opted quebecois nationalism.  On the other hand, if I had been born a pure laine quebecois, I would have  consistently supported Sovereignty-Association. 

A few decades ago, a few English Canadians have called me or asked if I was a traitor because my French was so good.  Some of these folks had university degrees....  Good Lord....  

So kcar.   Once again, Black Americans who relish their past of enslavement and second class citizen status, and insist the word 'nigger' is for their exclusive use can go pound.....   no, no.  No, they can go back to their communities and continue to hurt their own if that is what makes them feel happy.


Somewhere, somehow, well-meaning, guilty-feeling white North Americans should purge themselves of the prejudice of lower expectations.   For the benefit of the people they pretend to care about. 
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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 12:27pm

 Steely_D wrote:

 westslope wrote:
Sigh.   I get it.   

You should see the look of anger on some white folks when I joke that my wife and I are white trash.    Some do not seem too happy when I point out that northern European are mongrels.  You know:  Heinz 57 variety people....

 
How does someone feel good about themselves? By feeling superior to someone else, in many cases. They express that superiority by passing judgement, especially if they can do so unchecked. 

So, the world is full of people who actively look for ways to get incensed and be critical about just about anything you do. Frankly, that means they have way too much time on their hands in most cases.

 

i started at the bottom and went horizonal by choice

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 11:58am



 westslope wrote:


 kcar wrote:


 

Sigh.   I get it.   

You should see the look of anger on some white folks when I joke that my wife and I are white trash.    Some do not seem too happy when I point out that northern European are mongrels.  You know:  Heinz 57 variety people....

 
How does someone feel good about themselves? By feeling superior to someone else, in many cases. They express that superiority by passing judgement, especially if they can do so unchecked. 

So, the world is full of people who actively look for ways to get incensed and be critical about just about anything you do. Frankly, that means they have way too much time on their hands in most cases.

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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 10:53am



 kcar wrote:

.....
westslope, a friendly word of advice: do NOT use the N-word. That will land you in a world of trouble and quite possibly pain if you use that in the US. (I’m assuming you’re not Black). 

The best explanation I’ve heard as to why it’s OK for Black people use that word while it’s not for White people goes something like this: the word was used to denigrate and dehumanize Black people for centuries. Black people use the word to playfully insult other Black people but also to take the sting out of it.

This may strike you as illogical or discriminatory but it’s still a fighting word in the US and could get you charged with a hate crime in certain situations. And I can guarantee you that if those rappers you mention could talk directly to you, they would tell they most certainly did not give you permission.

I’m also pretty sure Bill will give you a time out if you use it in this forum. 
 

Sigh.   I get it.   

You should see the look of anger on some white folks when I joke that my wife and I are white trash.    Some do not seem too happy when I point out that northern European are mongrels.  You know:  Heinz 57 variety people....

I suppose Black Americans or African Americans or People of Colour (yuck) can claim the right to slap around those bitches but if an old smelly white dude were to say or do the same, all hell would break out.  

Frankly, I view identity politics, political correctness, shallow materialism and deep seated celebrity narcissism to be all connected social disorders.  

Black Americans are obese and generally exhibit horrible health outcomes.....  oops, cannot talk about that.  Violence against First Nation women committed by First Nation men?   We cannot talk about that.  Black looters hurting businesses owned by black folks and other non-white small business people:  no, we cannot talk about that.  

When does "we cannot say that or talk about that" turn into or become complete and utter indifference?  Does it mean:  Please!  Please! Keep battering your girlfriend, wife and / or your kids. You don't need permission. I'm cool.

This reminds me of the Aymara in Bolivia, the second poorest country in the western hemisphere.    The Aymara are still fighting Spanish colonialism from over half a millennia ago.   It shows.  

Incidentally, rap is rather popular with First Nations here in Canada.  Figures, eh?  


Here's the bright side kcar: 

Bolivia will continue to be a fascinating destination for tourists for decades or more to come.   Highly recommended.   

Many Black African inner-city neighbourhoods could also be fascinating destinations for tourists in the future, generating foreign income for the USA, except the high levels of crime and violence might get in the way.  
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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 10:25am

"It's unclear who put it there"

Probably a Biden supporter.


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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 10:25am



 sirdroseph wrote:

That is the most impressive thing I have seen in some time.  Cherish them.
{#Meditate}
{#Lol}
Very few places you can get that, I did see one place that had them for 8 dollars a can.  Thinking about pulling the trigger.
 
For years I've bought denatured alcohol by the gallon - paint stores are often the cheapest - as a general-purpose cleaner and reasonably safe solvent. Buy a gallon or two (~$15/ea) and a couple spray bottles. You can doctor it to make glass cleaner, hand sanitizer, etc. etc.
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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 10:13am



 kcar wrote:
...a friendly word of advice: do NOT use the N-word...
 
You are correct....never.  

Logic, reasons, explanations, interpretations....never work.  Just leave it to others and avoid it.
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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 9:58am



 westslope wrote:


 kcar wrote:

Good article kcar. 

Violence is always neighbourhood specific.  Most violence is intra-group.   Unfortunately we do not like talking about Blacks beating or killing Blacks, First Nations abusing, beating or killing First Nations, etc., etc.   We end up with public discussions that completely ignore the reality on the ground.   How often do rap artists chant on about niggers killing niggers?    (Thank you oh great macho rap artists for giving me permission to use that term.)

The one thing that is missing from the article are suicides by firearm and how they are geographically distributed.   In the category of suicide by firearm, the USA is "the greatest" and beats out everybody else. 

Would be curious to see the geographical distribution of firearm suicides.  I have a few guesses but they are too half-baked to share.  

 

westslope, a friendly word of advice: do NOT use the N-word. That will land you in a world of trouble and quite possibly pain if you use that in the US. (I’m assuming you’re not Black). 

The best explanation I’ve heard as to why it’s OK for Black people use that word while it’s not for White people goes something like this: the word was used to denigrate and dehumanize Black people for centuries. Black people use the word to playfully insult other Black people but also to take the sting out of it.

This may strike you as illogical or discriminatory but it’s still a fighting word in the US and could get you charged with a hate crime in certain situations. And I can guarantee you that if those rappers you mention could talk directly to you, they would tell they most certainly did not give you permission.

I’m also pretty sure Bill will give you a time out if you use it in this forum. 
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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 9:55am



 KarmaKarma wrote:
This is why many conservatives just shake their heads these days at trying to find common ground with liberals. 


Read her Twitter page for the real full-on vitriol.
 
Thanks for the link.



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Posted: Oct 6, 2020 - 9:47am



 KarmaKarma wrote:
This is why many conservatives just shake their heads these days at trying to find common ground with liberals. 


Read her Twitter page for the real full-on vitriol.
 

Because they can't read the tweet?
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