Curious about knowing "what is really going on"? And, how do you know? ( I agree with your premise, btw. My point is how does one determine what is credible information?)
First, I'd recommend turning off the TV and/or don't believe anything they say, including most of the MSM newspapers, radio, etc. Unless you're looking for the weather report, a sports score or such. Seriously. In other words things they can't lie much about or it isn't to their benefit to do so.
You have to dig around for the real stories, that which is backed up by whistleblowers, leaked info, or competent, honest analysis that is based in actual known facts and results, or are documented as part of the historical record, however unpleasant, not half-truths and omissions. Here are just a few examples that were either not discussed properly in the MSM at the time or were spun out of truth and proportion to varying degrees by it, or until the issues became untenable, or were discovered years later from FOIA requests:
- MK-ULTRA - Operation Mockingbird - Manhattan Project - Watergate and Nixon - Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Operation Northwoods - 1990 Testimony of Nayirah - COINTELPRO Against Activists in the 60s - Iran-Contra Affair - BCCI Affair - Gulf of Tonkin Incident - Operation Gladio - The CIA assassinates a lot of people (Church Committee) - Operation Paperclip
...there are many more.
In my opinion, the whole Trump/Russia media hype is simply an internecine battle between different factions of the same oligarchy, just as every election is now. It has nothing to do with what's best for 90% of the population.
For example, there is Trump getting advice from Kissinger:
An article by Robert Berke in oilprice.com, which describes itself as “The No. 1 Source for Oil & Energy News,” illustrates how interest groups control outcomes by how they shape policy choices.
Berke’s article reveals how the US intends to maintain and extend its hegemony by breaking up the alliance between Russia, Iran, and China, and by oil privatizations that result in countries losing control over their sovereignty to private oil companies that work closely with the US government. As Trump has neutered his presidency by gratuitously accepting Gen. Flynn’s resignation as National Security Advisor, this scheme is likely to be Trump’s approach to “better relations” with Russia.
Berke reports that Henry Kissinger has sold President Trump on a scheme to use the removal of Russian sanctions to pry President Putin away from the Russian alliance with Iran and China. Should Putin fall for such a scheme, it would be a fatal strategic blunder from which Russia could not recover. Yet, Putin will be pressured to make this blunder. ... link
It's good to read the rest of that article, and I think if anyone would argue with Michael Hudson and PCR on this, they'd have a hard time of it.
Another example: an expose' on Rex Tillerson, Trump's Sec'y of State:
...in which we learn (among other very nasty things about Tillerson) that Exxon has over 63 million acres of unexplored land holdings in Russia that it desperately wants to exploit for oil & gas, since Exxon had previously over-reported its reserves by some 20%, thus causing a stock drop and its credit rating to tank. Tillerson's retirement from his Exxon golden parachute would also benefit greatly.
Meanwhile, there is the deep state, or shadow government, or national security state, or what Eisenhower coined in 1961 as the military-industrial complex on the other side that has its own designs for Russia, China and elsewhere, and various Neo-Cons/Neo-Libs involved with it.
So, there is a whole lot that isn't reported by the corporate MSM and that many people are just not aware of. Either way, it is warmongering agitprop insanity coming from both ruling parties in America, and I'm disgusted by the people that are falling for this old ploy who should have known better by now.
Daytime radio, yeah. Ovenight radio is a different creature. You have to be willing to go down the rabbit hole and get your thinking challenged and get dirty with things you might find impossible to believe.
I do remember half the items on your list without prompting. I went through the other half of your list and one by one, I went oh yeah, forgot about this and forgot about that, but I do remember now that they've been brought back to my attention. Some of the many legitimate reasons to not trust our government and its intentions. I will say that I leave a difference between the deep state and the shadow government though. I read the deep state as the entrenched bureaucracy that thinks its bigger than the law and people and will do whatever it takes to resist oversight by administrations it disagrees with. Note the Alt websites established for the EPA, Park Service dedicated to this fight These are manifestations of the deep bureaucracy state. The shadow government would be the military industrial intelligence complex, imo.
You have to invest a lot of time in order to glean the small kernels of real information by learning your sources and how to read them over time. Sound bites will never allow that to happen.
If I may, I can tell you are not afraid to go down the rabbit hole. Doesn't mean you buy into everything you see and hear, but that you have an open mind. I do mean this as a compliment. Admittedly some 80% of what you used to hear was junk, but that 20% that wasn't was worth the time spent. I think as time passes, more and more tends to be meaningful and highly insightful in regards to the so called big picture.
Lately I've been giving Clyde Lewis of Ground Zero (out of Portland, Oregon) all the time I can. I can already feel the hot breath of mockery coming from my usual detractors, but it comes with the territory. If given a listen over a period of time, one might find him to be rather rational about the subjects he takes on and opened minded to those who challenge his own thinking. Yeah, there's the para normal stuff to wade through to get to what interests me most, but its worth it.
Here's a lengthy video of what his show was about over ten years ago in between broadcasting gigs. Mentions things you mentioned above including a timely mention of polonium, the alliance of Russia, China and Iran and some other things. Some of it I disagreed with but I believe that iffen anyone makes it all the way through, they will at least nod their heads a couple of times in agreement with something and there is also some really funny shit there too. Those couple of things that you might agree with are worth all the other stuff you might not. But that is how it is done. It don't come easy ...
The truth will never be dumped in anyone's lap tied with a bow on it. It must be pursued and earned.
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Feb 21, 2017 - 1:43pm
ScottN wrote:
Curious about knowing "what is really going on"? And, how do you know? ( I agree with your premise, btw. My point is how does one determine what is credible information?)
First, I'd recommend turning off the TV and/or don't believe anything they say, including most of the MSM newspapers, radio, etc. Unless you're looking for the weather report, a sports score or such. Seriously. In other words things they can't lie much about or it isn't to their benefit to do so.
You have to dig around for the real stories, that which is backed up by whistleblowers, leaked info, or competent, honest analysis that is based in actual known facts and results, or are documented as part of the historical record, however unpleasant, not half-truths and omissions. Here are just a few examples that were either not discussed properly in the MSM at the time or were spun out of truth and proportion to varying degrees by it, or until the issues became untenable, or were discovered years later from FOIA requests:
- MK-ULTRA - Operation Mockingbird - Manhattan Project - Watergate and Nixon - Tuskegee Syphilis Study - Operation Northwoods - 1990 Testimony of Nayirah - COINTELPRO Against Activists in the 60s - Iran-Contra Affair - BCCI Affair - Gulf of Tonkin Incident - Operation Gladio - The CIA assassinates a lot of people (Church Committee) - Operation Paperclip
...there are many more.
In my opinion, the whole Trump/Russia media hype is simply an internecine battle between different factions of the same oligarchy, just as every election is now. It has nothing to do with what's best for 90% of the population.
For example, there is Trump getting advice from Kissinger:
An article by Robert Berke in oilprice.com, which describes itself as “The No. 1 Source for Oil & Energy News,” illustrates how interest groups control outcomes by how they shape policy choices.
Berke’s article reveals how the US intends to maintain and extend its hegemony by breaking up the alliance between Russia, Iran, and China, and by oil privatizations that result in countries losing control over their sovereignty to private oil companies that work closely with the US government. As Trump has neutered his presidency by gratuitously accepting Gen. Flynn’s resignation as National Security Advisor, this scheme is likely to be Trump’s approach to “better relations” with Russia.
Berke reports that Henry Kissinger has sold President Trump on a scheme to use the removal of Russian sanctions to pry President Putin away from the Russian alliance with Iran and China. Should Putin fall for such a scheme, it would be a fatal strategic blunder from which Russia could not recover. Yet, Putin will be pressured to make this blunder. ... link
It's good to read the rest of that article, and I think if anyone would argue with Michael Hudson and PCR on this, they'd have a hard time of it.
Another example: an expose' on Rex Tillerson, Trump's Sec'y of State:
...in which we learn (among other very nasty things about Tillerson) that Exxon has over 63 million acres of unexplored land holdings in Russia that it desperately wants to exploit for oil & gas, since Exxon had previously over-reported its reserves by some 20%, thus causing a stock drop and its credit rating to tank. Tillerson's retirement from his Exxon golden parachute would also benefit greatly.
Meanwhile, there is the deep state, or shadow government, or national security state, or what Eisenhower coined in 1961 as the military-industrial complex on the other side that has its own designs for Russia, China and elsewhere, and various Neo-Cons/Neo-Libs involved with it.
So, there is a whole lot that isn't reported by the corporate MSM and that many people are just not aware of. Either way, it is warmongering agitprop insanity coming from both ruling parties in America, and I'm disgusted by the people that are falling for this old ploy who should have known better by now.
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Feb 21, 2017 - 12:06pm
LowPhreak wrote:
The reality is FISA has little to do with covert CIA killings, efforts in coups and the like. FISA has turned into a rubber stamp for the gov'ts surveillance as very few cases are refused by FISA; and "oversight" such as what the Senate Intelligence Committee is supposed to do is virtually non-existent.
We can all wave flags, act "patriotic" and be duped by the MSM, and that's the fantasy movie here. What really goes on is quite a different thing.
Curious about knowing "what is really going on"? And, how do you know? ( I agree with your premise, btw. My point is how does one determine what is credible information?)
The Church Committee’s investigations also led to passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 1978. The FISA court was originally designed to guard executive branch surveillance programs from the public while ensuring the other branches of government could oversee activities.
The reality is FISA has little to do with covert CIA killings, efforts in coups and the like. FISA has turned into a rubber stamp for the gov'ts surveillance as very few cases are refused by FISA; and "oversight" such as what the Senate Intelligence Committee is supposed to do is virtually non-existent.
We can all wave flags, act "patriotic" and be duped by the MSM, and that's the fantasy movie here. What really goes on is quite a different thing.
The Church Committee’s investigations also led to passage of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in 1978. The FISA court was originally designed to guard executive branch surveillance programs from the public while ensuring the other branches of government could oversee activities.
Probably. Anyone missing any polonium? I'll bet a few reporters are digging hard to find out if the UN guy might have been not-so-beloved by Putin as the article makes out.
If it's not a coincidence, then it's a pretty impressive opening move of the chess match. I'd love to be a fly on the wall of Trump's security detail.
We do know from history that Soviet/Russian security services are quite willing and able to kill people. Just sayin'.
Probably. Anyone missing any polonium? I'll bet a few reporters are digging hard to find out if the UN guy might have been not-so-beloved by Putin as the article makes out.
If it's not a coincidence, then it's a pretty impressive opening move of the chess match. I'd love to be a fly on the wall of Trump's security detail.
certainly not the first time. Unfortunately they seem to be loosing quality over time.
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ScottFromWyoming wrote:
At the end, she says, "Let's just say that ...what I've learned, the fact that you have hundreds of trolls that are employed by the Russian government, trying to influence elections..."
I feel sort of verklempt that they thought our little forum here was worth trolling. :snif: Remember when he kept mis-using English idioms, even tho he vaguely intimated he was in the UK? 1000 posts in 4 months, and gone as soon as Trump had the nomination.
I always felt that rotekz was doing what he was doing for pay, lots of "make money at home on your computer" jobs out there
...I feel sort of verklempt that they thought our little forum here was worth trolling. :snif: Remember when he kept mis-using English idioms, even tho he vaguely intimated he was in the UK? 1000 posts in 4 months, and gone as soon as Trump had the nomination.
Yeah, I really miss that 'English' fellow; he lent so much class to the forums that it was like having Sebastian Cabot around.
At the end, she says, "Let's just say that ...what I've learned, the fact that you have hundreds of trolls that are employed by the Russian government, trying to influence elections..."
I feel sort of verklempt that they thought our little forum here was worth trolling. :snif: Remember when he kept mis-using English idioms, even tho he vaguely intimated he was in the UK? 1000 posts in 4 months, and gone as soon as Trump had the nomination.
certainly not the first time. Unfortunately they seem to be loosing quality over time.
At the end, she says, "Let's just say that ...what I've learned, the fact that you have hundreds of trolls that are employed by the Russian government, trying to influence elections..."
I feel sort of verklempt that they thought our little forum here was worth trolling. :snif: Remember when he kept mis-using English idioms, even tho he vaguely intimated he was in the UK? 1000 posts in 4 months, and gone as soon as Trump had the nomination.
Oh, I'm dead serious, and hope I'm just wrong. I'm thinking that taking over America wouldn't happen with a bang, but with a whimper.
As a model, think about how Utah became a Mormon state, basically. The history is that the folks there made sure to do business with each other, and that allowed the gradual expansion of the culture. I would expect Russians to do the same. They can't take over with violence, but with gradual insinuation into the business and political affairs of the nation.
Of course, I think the same thing is possibly true about the gradual insinuation of Mormons into the upper political arena. (Harry Reid, Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman, et al)
