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Lazy8

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Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 7:24pm

haresfur wrote:
I know people who hunt feral pigs but I don't think they trust the meat enough to eat them. Goat tacos sound good.

I've had both and both they're both delicious.

Feral goats and hogs are both really destructive if they get out of control. Overgrazing by goat herders is blamed for the desertification of Sub-Saharan Africa

Ecosystems need predators. In the case of the feral hogs gradually making their way down from Alberta and Saskatchewan I'd be happy to fill that role. 
haresfur

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Location: The Golden Triangle
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Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 4:45pm



 Isabeau wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:
 
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em.

 
It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. 

Feral goats are a pain. 
 

Agreed,  CA's topography is difficult for this. Still ... the winds are unprecedented AND the utility did neglect it's infrastructure.
Feral goats and pigs are considered Apocalypse bbq in these parts. Touch my garden and they become taco filling.
 
The aboriginal people in Australia have been setting planned burns for somewhere around 60,000 years. The fire management is starting to learn from them about how to set burns to improve the ecosystem as well as reduce fuel loads. We are lucky where I live that the winters are cool and wet, so they are a good time to burn. 

I know people who hunt feral pigs but I don't think they trust the meat enough to eat them. Goat tacos sound good.

Isabeau

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Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 4:21pm



 haresfur wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:
 
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em.

 
It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. 

Feral goats are a pain. 
 

Agreed,  CA's topography is difficult for this. Still ... the winds are unprecedented AND the utility did neglect it's infrastructure.
Feral goats and pigs are considered Apocalypse bbq in these parts. Touch my garden and they become taco filling.
haresfur

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Location: The Golden Triangle
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Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 2:48pm



 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

California’s Must Choose Between Uncontrolled or Controlled Fires

 
Florida had over 2 million acres of prescribed (aka controlled) burns in 2017 and California had 87,000 acres of controlled burns in 2018.

Georgia has 1.25 million acres of controlled burns and Alabama had 944,000 acres of controlled burns.

California had 1.9 million acres of forests burned from wildfires in 2018 against the 87,000 acres burned in controlled fires.


UC Berkeley fire ecologist Brandon Collins brought me here to show me the consequence of decades of fire suppression combined with climate change. This forest would usually burn nine times over the course of 100 years, but no fire had blazed here since at least 1908. “Without fire, you’re going to have these dense stands no matter what,” Collins says.
In 2014, the King Fire hit this unnaturally overgrown forest, leaping into the canopy and racing across a vast landscape. Limited patches of high-intensity fire would be natural in these forests. But in 47 percent of the 97,717 acres burned in the King Fire, the blaze was so hot that it killed nearly all of the trees.

About 18.6 million trees died in 2018, mainly the result of dehydration and beetle infestation, according to new estimates from the U.S. Forest Service. That pushes the total number of dead since 2010, shortly before the five-year drought began, to 147 million.


California needs to burn 2-5 million acres a year. This should be controlled burns instead of wildfires.

This level of burning needs to be near the historic levels. Almost the entire 33 million acres of forests needs to be burned every 10-20 years. More sensitive areas near populations need to be thinned and managed without fire.


 
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em.

 
It's a challenge to keep up with the needed fuel suppression burns. With climate change, the planned burn season is pretty much continuous with the unplanned burn season here. That, and people need to accept the risk of a burn getting out of control. And boy, there is nothing like having your house burn to turn someone anti-government. 

Feral goats are a pain. 
miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 2:07pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em.
 

i've said that too

as a child we would tie them to fence rows

they cleaned them like machines

never underestimate a goat
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 1:59pm



 miamizsun wrote:

California’s Must Choose Between Uncontrolled or Controlled Fires

 
Florida had over 2 million acres of prescribed (aka controlled) burns in 2017 and California had 87,000 acres of controlled burns in 2018.

Georgia has 1.25 million acres of controlled burns and Alabama had 944,000 acres of controlled burns.

California had 1.9 million acres of forests burned from wildfires in 2018 against the 87,000 acres burned in controlled fires.


UC Berkeley fire ecologist Brandon Collins brought me here to show me the consequence of decades of fire suppression combined with climate change. This forest would usually burn nine times over the course of 100 years, but no fire had blazed here since at least 1908. “Without fire, you’re going to have these dense stands no matter what,” Collins says.
In 2014, the King Fire hit this unnaturally overgrown forest, leaping into the canopy and racing across a vast landscape. Limited patches of high-intensity fire would be natural in these forests. But in 47 percent of the 97,717 acres burned in the King Fire, the blaze was so hot that it killed nearly all of the trees.

About 18.6 million trees died in 2018, mainly the result of dehydration and beetle infestation, according to new estimates from the U.S. Forest Service. That pushes the total number of dead since 2010, shortly before the five-year drought began, to 147 million.


California needs to burn 2-5 million acres a year. This should be controlled burns instead of wildfires.

This level of burning needs to be near the historic levels. Almost the entire 33 million acres of forests needs to be burned every 10-20 years. More sensitive areas near populations need to be thinned and managed without fire.


 
I think they're starting to get it. We get it here; we hate the smoke but love the fire (most times). Those "sensitive areas" need goats. And lots of 'em.

miamizsun

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Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 31, 2019 - 1:47pm

California’s Must Choose Between Uncontrolled or Controlled Fires

 

Florida had over 2 million acres of prescribed (aka controlled) burns in 2017 and California had 87,000 acres of controlled burns in 2018.

Georgia has 1.25 million acres of controlled burns and Alabama had 944,000 acres of controlled burns.

California had 1.9 million acres of forests burned from wildfires in 2018 against the 87,000 acres burned in controlled fires.

UC Berkeley fire ecologist Brandon Collins brought me here to show me the consequence of decades of fire suppression combined with climate change. This forest would usually burn nine times over the course of 100 years, but no fire had blazed here since at least 1908. “Without fire, you’re going to have these dense stands no matter what,” Collins says.
In 2014, the King Fire hit this unnaturally overgrown forest, leaping into the canopy and racing across a vast landscape. Limited patches of high-intensity fire would be natural in these forests. But in 47 percent of the 97,717 acres burned in the King Fire, the blaze was so hot that it killed nearly all of the trees.

About 18.6 million trees died in 2018, mainly the result of dehydration and beetle infestation, according to new estimates from the U.S. Forest Service. That pushes the total number of dead since 2010, shortly before the five-year drought began, to 147 million.

California needs to burn 2-5 million acres a year. This should be controlled burns instead of wildfires.

This level of burning needs to be near the historic levels. Almost the entire 33 million acres of forests needs to be burned every 10-20 years. More sensitive areas near populations need to be thinned and managed without fire.


KurtfromLaQuinta

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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 2:53pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Kon-Tiki huh? I knew you were cool...

 
Double take.
oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 2:37pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'll bet I can find ours over at my dad's house. We used to love setting that up. I think we did at Christmas originally, but usually it just sat year round in the basement play room. Always out in the middle of the room, never up against the wall (see photo ), with a couple of bean bag chairs near it. It sort of served as a room divider, my sister's crap was on the other side.  The light bulb fixture was taken out of it pretty quickly because we'd left it on a few too many times and the cardboard was scorched. I read Kon-Tiki and Watership Down and Centennial and 100 other books with that in my peripheral vision.

 
Kon-Tiki huh? I knew you were cool...


ScottFromWyoming

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Location: Powell
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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 12:36pm

 oldviolin wrote:

Kon-Tiki huh? I knew you were cool...

 

 
Double-cool
 
They made a movie out of that a few years ago that got no press at all, and I see it grossed (only) 1.5 million. I thought it was well done.
oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 11:42am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'll bet I can find ours over at my dad's house. We used to love setting that up. I think we did at Christmas originally, but usually it just sat year round in the basement play room. Always out in the middle of the room, never up against the wall (see photo ), with a couple of bean bag chairs near it. It sort of served as a room divider, my sister's crap was on the other side.  The light bulb fixture was taken out of it pretty quickly because we'd left it on a few too many times and the cardboard was scorched. I read Kon-Tiki and Watership Down and Centennial and 100 other books with that in my peripheral vision.

 
Kon-Tiki huh? I knew you were cool...


oldviolin

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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 11:40am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'll bet I can find ours over at my dad's house. We used to love setting that up. I think we did at Christmas originally, but usually it just sat year round in the basement play room. Always out in the middle of the room, never up against the wall (see photo ), with a couple of bean bag chairs near it. It sort of served as a room divider, my sister's crap was on the other side.  The light bulb fixture was taken out of it pretty quickly because we'd left it on a few too many times and the cardboard was scorched. I read Kon-Tiki and Watership Down and Centennial and 100 other books with that in my peripheral vision.

 
Kon-Tiki huh? I knew you were cool...

 
Red_Dragon

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Location: Dumbf*ckistan


Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 11:09am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Oh yeah, the precursor to those infrared heaters that do jack shit. At least that thing gave off 60W of heat.

 
Jack would prefer to be left out of the discussion.
ScottFromWyoming

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Location: Powell
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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 11:02am

 Proclivities wrote:

 I remember a friend of mine had one with a sort of scalloped/finned metal wheel that was balanced above the light bulb and the heat from the bulb made it spin and create a less-than-convincing illusion of flames in the "firebox".   There's one on Etsy for only $399.00!   

 
Oh yeah, the precursor to those infrared heaters that do jack shit. At least that thing gave off 60W of heat.
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 10:54am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I'll bet I can find ours over at my dad's house. We used to love setting that up. I think we did at Christmas originally, but usually it just sat year round in the basement play room. Always out in the middle of the room, never up against the wall (see photo ), with a couple of bean bag chairs near it. It sort of served as a room divider, my sister's crap was on the other side.  The light bulb fixture was taken out of it pretty quickly because we'd left it on a few too many times and the cardboard was scorched. I read Kon-Tiki and Watership Down and Centennial and 100 other books with that in my peripheral vision.

 
 I remember a friend of mine had one with a sort of scalloped/finned metal wheel that was balanced above the light bulb and the heat from the bulb made it spin and create a less-than-convincing illusion of flames in the "firebox".   There's one on Etsy for only $399.00!   
ScottFromWyoming

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Location: Powell
Gender: Male


Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 10:17am

 Proclivities wrote:
fireplace

 
I'll bet I can find ours over at my dad's house. We used to love setting that up. I think we did at Christmas originally, but usually it just sat year round in the basement play room. Always out in the middle of the room, never up against the wall (see photo ), with a couple of bean bag chairs near it. It sort of served as a room divider, my sister's crap was on the other side.  The light bulb fixture was taken out of it pretty quickly because we'd left it on a few too many times and the cardboard was scorched. I read Kon-Tiki and Watership Down and Centennial and 100 other books with that in my peripheral vision.
Proclivities

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Posted: Mar 20, 2018 - 9:43am

fireplace
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Posted: Dec 8, 2017 - 4:39am

 kurtster wrote:
The wife checked in a couple of hours ago with an update in her neck of the woods.  She is safe up in Lake Elsinore but her daughter's house in Menefee /  Murietta is a couple of miles from the new fire in Riverside County, the other new one just north of the Lilac Fire in SD county.  We don't know the name of this one.  Meanwhile Jennifer is in a nursing facility nearby after a couple of months stuck in the hospital and can't get anything out if she wanted to.  Her kittehs will be evacuated and taken care of.  She does have a fireproof box for birth certificates and what not like any smart Californian does.    Hopefully it gets contained quickly.

As if the ones up north weren't enough, the ones in Ventura and LA are the big ones we all worried about and hoped would never happen, like that big earthquake we are still waiting for ...  Praying for the best.  

These fires make me think about the Doors ...  I see your hair is burning ...  {#Meditate}
 
dude  {#Good-vibes}
kurtster

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Posted: Dec 7, 2017 - 9:13pm

The wife checked in a couple of hours ago with an update in her neck of the woods.  She is safe up in Lake Elsinore but her daughter's house in Menefee /  Murietta is a couple of miles from the new fire in Riverside County, the other new one just north of the Lilac Fire in SD county.  We don't know the name of this one.  Meanwhile Jennifer is in a nursing facility nearby after a couple of months stuck in the hospital and can't get anything out if she wanted to.  Her kittehs will be evacuated and taken care of.  She does have a fireproof box for birth certificates and what not like any smart Californian does.    Hopefully it gets contained quickly.

As if the ones up north weren't enough, the ones in Ventura and LA are the big ones we all worried about and hoped would never happen, like that big earthquake we are still waiting for ...  Praying for the best.  

These fires make me think about the Doors ...  I see your hair is burning ...  {#Meditate}





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Posted: Dec 7, 2017 - 12:14pm

 Rod wrote:
Heroes are out there!



 
*gulp*
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