[ ]   [ ]   [ ]                        [ ]      [ ]   [ ]

Oldest Rock song on RP - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Mar 28, 2024 - 12:43pm
 
Photos you have taken of your walks or hikes. - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Mar 28, 2024 - 12:21pm
 
Irony 101 - MrDill - Mar 28, 2024 - 12:21pm
 
Photography Forum - Your Own Photos - MrDill - Mar 28, 2024 - 12:15pm
 
Breaking News - ScottFromWyoming - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:58am
 
RP automation with iOS Shortcuts App - pradler4kant - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:57am
 
Lyrics that strike a chord today... - newwavegurly - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:48am
 
Baseball, anyone? - ScottFromWyoming - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:46am
 
The Obituary Page - ScottFromWyoming - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:31am
 
Talk Behind Their Backs Forum - VV - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:27am
 
March 2024 Photo Theme - Many - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:07am
 
Wordle - daily game - rgio - Mar 28, 2024 - 11:00am
 
Ukraine - Beaker - Mar 28, 2024 - 9:41am
 
Bug Reports & Feature Requests - Beaker - Mar 28, 2024 - 9:30am
 
NY Times Strands - geoff_morphini - Mar 28, 2024 - 8:37am
 
NYTimes Connections - geoff_morphini - Mar 28, 2024 - 8:29am
 
Radio Paradise Comments - pilgrim - Mar 28, 2024 - 8:19am
 
Business as Usual - black321 - Mar 28, 2024 - 8:09am
 
• • • The Once-a-Day • • •  - black321 - Mar 28, 2024 - 7:44am
 
Trump - rgio - Mar 28, 2024 - 7:29am
 
Outstanding Covers - thisbody - Mar 28, 2024 - 5:51am
 
Today in History - DaveInSaoMiguel - Mar 28, 2024 - 4:28am
 
USA! USA! USA! - R_P - Mar 27, 2024 - 7:40pm
 
Little known information...maybe even facts - haresfur - Mar 27, 2024 - 6:21pm
 
Live Music - oldviolin - Mar 27, 2024 - 5:08pm
 
RightWingNutZ - R_P - Mar 27, 2024 - 3:48pm
 
Please Don't Post Here - Red_Dragon - Mar 27, 2024 - 11:02am
 
Motivational Office Cliches... - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Mar 26, 2024 - 10:20pm
 
(Big) Media Watch - Red_Dragon - Mar 26, 2024 - 6:18pm
 
YouTube: Music-Videos - miamizsun - Mar 26, 2024 - 4:10pm
 
Israel - R_P - Mar 26, 2024 - 12:24pm
 
Solar / Wind / Geothermal / Efficiency Energy - islander - Mar 26, 2024 - 8:00am
 
Is there any DOG news out there? - Beez - Mar 26, 2024 - 7:24am
 
Food - Steely_D - Mar 26, 2024 - 1:41am
 
Vinyl Only Spin List - kurtster - Mar 25, 2024 - 6:56pm
 
Derplahoma! - Red_Dragon - Mar 25, 2024 - 3:48pm
 
Frequent drop outs (The Netherlands) - kingen - Mar 25, 2024 - 2:43pm
 
China - R_P - Mar 25, 2024 - 11:59am
 
Musky Mythology - R_P - Mar 25, 2024 - 11:20am
 
Play history seems to indicate that I"m streaming 24/7, b... - jarro - Mar 25, 2024 - 10:44am
 
April 8th Partial Solar Eclipse - Coaxial - Mar 24, 2024 - 6:22pm
 
New Music - KurtfromLaQuinta - Mar 24, 2024 - 5:07pm
 
Dental Floss Tycoons, and other Montana Myths, Facts, and... - Red_Dragon - Mar 24, 2024 - 12:32pm
 
Orbiting Earth - oldviolin - Mar 24, 2024 - 9:42am
 
Basketball - oldviolin - Mar 23, 2024 - 2:50pm
 
What Makes You Laugh? - ScottFromWyoming - Mar 23, 2024 - 1:54pm
 
Joe Biden - kurtster - Mar 23, 2024 - 11:17am
 
Technical Streaming Note for Nerdy RP DIYers - sjagminas1 - Mar 23, 2024 - 10:16am
 
Museum Of Bad Album Covers - Proclivities - Mar 23, 2024 - 8:56am
 
Other Medical Stuff - Antigone - Mar 22, 2024 - 3:06pm
 
Country Up The Bumpkin - oldviolin - Mar 22, 2024 - 11:06am
 
Pernicious Pious Proclivities Particularized Prodigiously - Red_Dragon - Mar 22, 2024 - 9:17am
 
Memorials - Remembering Our Loved Ones - Bill_J - Mar 21, 2024 - 8:54pm
 
Can you afford to retire? - DaveInSaoMiguel - Mar 21, 2024 - 2:15pm
 
Mixtape Culture Club - KurtfromLaQuinta - Mar 21, 2024 - 11:10am
 
What Did You See Today? - KurtfromLaQuinta - Mar 20, 2024 - 5:13pm
 
Annoying stuff. not things that piss you off, just annoyi... - ScottFromWyoming - Mar 20, 2024 - 4:31pm
 
Upcoming concerts or shows you can't wait to see - Antigone - Mar 20, 2024 - 3:10pm
 
Russia - NoEnzLefttoSplit - Mar 20, 2024 - 11:44am
 
2024 Elections! - Lazy8 - Mar 20, 2024 - 7:26am
 
Economix - R_P - Mar 19, 2024 - 4:36pm
 
Name My Band - DaveInSaoMiguel - Mar 19, 2024 - 10:53am
 
Delicacies: a..k.a.. the Gross Food forum - DaveInSaoMiguel - Mar 19, 2024 - 10:12am
 
New Forum Member on "What Makes RP Great" - miamizsun - Mar 19, 2024 - 4:38am
 
Cache stopped working on old Android Phone - Eisenwindel - Mar 19, 2024 - 1:50am
 
Cryptic Posts - Leave Them Guessing - Bill_J - Mar 18, 2024 - 8:23pm
 
Damn Dinosaurs! - oldviolin - Mar 18, 2024 - 8:16pm
 
One Partying State - Wyoming News - geoff_morphini - Mar 18, 2024 - 3:58pm
 
Great guitar faces - skyguy - Mar 18, 2024 - 3:33pm
 
Despots, dictators and war criminals - R_P - Mar 18, 2024 - 12:41pm
 
Uploading Music - dischuckin - Mar 18, 2024 - 11:55am
 
Media Matters - thisbody - Mar 18, 2024 - 10:03am
 
NASA & other news from space - miamizsun - Mar 18, 2024 - 4:13am
 
MEALTICKET - drinpt - Mar 17, 2024 - 4:13am
 
What makes you smile? - Steely_D - Mar 16, 2024 - 7:31pm
 
Index » Regional/Local » USA/Canada » "Him Too" Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next
Post to this Topic
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Oct 24, 2018 - 5:09am

{#Sad}

High School Girls Admitted to Making False Sexual Assault Accusations Against a Male Student Because They ‘Just Don’t Like Him’

Seneca Valley School District in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania is facing a lawsuit from a former male student who was forced out of school—and investigated for sexual assault—due to a series of false accusations made by female students.

The girls—dubbed "mean girls" in the lawsuit, a reference to the 2004 Lindsay Lohan film—admitted on tape that they made up the assault story. One said, "I just don't like him" and " would do anything to get him expelled," according to The Toronto Sun.

The false allegations were life-derailing for the accused, who is referred to as "T.F." in the lawsuit. On October 3, 2017, one of the girls told other students that T.F. had sexually assaulted her at a pool; a Seneca Valley guidance counselor overheard the accusation, and reported it to Childline, the state's child abuse prevention agency, as required by law. T.F. was swiftly charged with indecent assault and harassment, and received six months of probation as part of a plea deal. 

Months later, in March of 2018, T.F. was again falsely accused, according to the lawsuit. Another girl invited him over to a house party; a few days later, she told the school guidance counselor that T.F. had broken into her home and sexually assaulted her. The lawsuit claims she was coached by T.F.'s first accuser. As a result of this accusation, T.F. was charged with assault and criminal trespassing. He was removed from school in leg and wrist shackles, and spent 9 days in juvenile detention.




meower

meower Avatar

Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe
Gender: Female


Posted: Sep 25, 2018 - 11:53am


R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Jun 13, 2018 - 5:53pm

The report says women in science, engineering, or medicine who are harassed may abandon leadership opportunities to dodge perpetrators, leave their institutions, or leave science altogether. It also highlights the ineffectiveness of ubiquitous, online sexual harassment training and notes what is likely massive underreporting of sexual harassment by women who justifiably fear retaliation. To retain the talents of women in science, the authors write, will require true cultural change rather than “symbolic compliance” with civil rights laws.

kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 - 3:16pm

 steeler wrote:

And I acknowledged that politics probably played some role in the timing.  You specified the timing of the allegations coming out in the general election instead of the primary. We all know that in elections for high offices that there often are attempts to dig up dirt on the opposing candidate.  What point are you trying to make?    

 
That these events just don't pop up spontaneously.  

One way to consider the chronology is that the victims were more interested in going after an entire party than the individual.  If the individual should be stopped, why not as soon as possible ?  Why let them advance ?  So you wait and bring this up right after the ballots are locked, you get the entire party because its now too late to find someone else or even change the ballots.  So just how offended were you by this individual ?  Not enough to take only him down, but enough to go after an entire party ?  Ok, if that's the case then admit it.  If its not the reason for the timing then just what is going on that would make the timing entirely innocent as we are told to believe ?  

If one was honestly interested in the integrity of the election process and getting the best candidates forward on all sides, then don't sit on evidence that revealing as soon as possible would benefit all, not just one side. 

That is the problem and my point.  

Is this a problem in your mind ?
steeler

steeler Avatar

Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 - 12:36pm

 kurtster wrote:

I made it quite clear that my point was not about that. 

 
And I acknowledged that politics probably played some role in the timing.  You specified the timing of the allegations coming out in the general election instead of the primary. We all know that in elections for high offices that there often are attempts to dig up dirt on the opposing candidate.  What point are you trying to make?    
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 - 12:22pm

 steeler wrote:

Did politics enter into the timing? I think so. Does that make the allegations untrue? I think not.
 

 
I made it quite clear that my point was not about that. 


steeler

steeler Avatar

Location: Perched on the precipice of the cauldron of truth


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 - 9:24am

 kurtster wrote:
One more thought about Roy Moore.  I have not seen this thought about the timing of the revelations of his conduct mentioned anywhere.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm concerned about why the revelations of his past were not made during the runoff between Strange and Moore.  That would have been the appropriate time to bring it up.  He was a real contender then.  Why not then and only a month or so later after he was the final choice was it brought up.  That is what smells to me as pure political malevolence. Surely those who were violated by Moore were just as concerned during the runoff as they were after he was the final choice.  What, it didn't bother them until he was a real possibility just a month later as opposed to a possible possibility ?  This just smells real bad.

And no, in no way do I think that Moore should get a pass on anything and am relieved that he didn't get elected. 

My only remaining concern is about the timing of how this played out.  My thought is that if Moore had lost the runoff, we would never had heard one peep from his victims.

 
Did politics enter into the timing? I think so. Does that make the allegations untrue? I think not.
 
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 - 8:57am

One more thought about Roy Moore.  I have not seen this thought about the timing of the revelations of his conduct mentioned anywhere.  Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm concerned about why the revelations of his past were not made during the runoff between Strange and Moore.  That would have been the appropriate time to bring it up.  He was a real contender then.  Why not then and only a month or so later after he was the final choice was it brought up.  That is what smells to me as pure political malevolence. Surely those who were violated by Moore were just as concerned during the runoff as they were after he was the final choice.  What, it didn't bother them until he was a real possibility just a month later as opposed to a possible possibility ?  This just smells real bad.

And no, in no way do I think that Moore should get a pass on anything and am relieved that he didn't get elected. 

My only remaining concern is about the timing of how this played out.  My thought is that if Moore had lost the runoff, we would never had heard one peep from his victims.


Steely_D

Steely_D Avatar

Location: Biscayne Bay
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 - 2:57pm


miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 - 12:22pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

This is an odd case; seems she published a novel at the same time she made the accusation. 

 
it's all odd

hastings has weathered a lot

folks here liken him to marion barry

he's teflon


ScottFromWyoming

ScottFromWyoming Avatar

Location: Powell
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 - 12:17pm

 miamizsun wrote:
in my own backyard!

Florida Dem accused of sexual harassment gets support from Congress

WASHINGTON The phrase “I believe the women” has become a motto for lawmakers in the wake of career-ending sexual harassment allegations against Rep. John Conyers and Sen. Al Franken. But when sexual harassment allegations against South Florida Democratic Rep. Alcee Hastings from 2011 resurfaced last week, the reaction was different.

“I believe him,” said Rep. Frederica Wilson, a Miami Gardens Democrat.

Capitol Hill news outlet Roll Call reported on Friday that a woman who accused Hastings of unwanted touching and lewd remarks in 2011 received a $220,000 taxpayer-funded settlement, the largest amount reported since a wave of sexual harassment allegations began sweeping through Congress.

The 81-year-old Hastings denies the allegations and said he had no previous knowledge that taxpayer funds were paid out to Winsome Packer, a congressional staffer who worked for a commission that studies security and cooperation in Europe. Court documents show that he was removed from the sexual harassment lawsuit in 2012. Packer continued the lawsuit against the commission after Hastings was removed, and the payment was made in 2014, according to Roll Call.

 
This is an odd case; seems she published a novel at the same time she made the accusation. 
miamizsun

miamizsun Avatar

Location: (3283.1 Miles SE of RP)
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 - 12:07pm

in my own backyard!

Florida Dem accused of sexual harassment gets support from Congress

WASHINGTON The phrase “I believe the women” has become a motto for lawmakers in the wake of career-ending sexual harassment allegations against Rep. John Conyers and Sen. Al Franken. But when sexual harassment allegations against South Florida Democratic Rep. Alcee Hastings from 2011 resurfaced last week, the reaction was different.

“I believe him,” said Rep. Frederica Wilson, a Miami Gardens Democrat.

Capitol Hill news outlet Roll Call reported on Friday that a woman who accused Hastings of unwanted touching and lewd remarks in 2011 received a $220,000 taxpayer-funded settlement, the largest amount reported since a wave of sexual harassment allegations began sweeping through Congress.

The 81-year-old Hastings denies the allegations and said he had no previous knowledge that taxpayer funds were paid out to Winsome Packer, a congressional staffer who worked for a commission that studies security and cooperation in Europe. Court documents show that he was removed from the sexual harassment lawsuit in 2012. Packer continued the lawsuit against the commission after Hastings was removed, and the payment was made in 2014, according to Roll Call.


R_P

R_P Avatar

Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 - 11:39am

Kansas Dem Andrea Ramsey, accused of sexual harassment, will drop out of US House race
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 8:08pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I take choice B also. Of course the world is gray, and very soon we're going to have to get back to some sort of due process. The problem is, dick cheese like Moore would force his accusers to sit in a courtroom and spell out exactly what happened and then he'd say they're lying and attack them... all the classic reasons women haven't come forward. We can't go back to that. 
 
If we discover that a weeping discharge like Roger Stone did coach Al Franken's accusers, he should be punished as severely as the person wrongly accused. If Al's charged with rape and that charge carries a 20-year sentence, then Stone's meddling should also carry a 20-year sentence. The downside to bearing false witness has to be as crushing as the wrongful prosecution is to the convicted. Of course, this too means women will hesitate to come forward with a wavering accusation.

So we're entering a phase of puritanism that will ruin some innocents' lives. The pendulum swings. I'm over here out of the way, I hope, and I know that for now, it's worth it. It's important to get to a point where people don't just think twice about being a creepy power junkie, they don't even think about it. Being thought of as a creep has to become unacceptable again. For too long now, it's seemed like a badge of honor for some people.
 
I said choose your poison because there are losers either way. Is being falsely accused, 2 decades after the fact, terrible? Sure. More terrible than being raped and feeling like you need to keep quiet about it? No.

 
Ok, I can agree with you on this, especially the bolded.  The pendulum is definitely moving again to be certain. 
ScottFromWyoming

ScottFromWyoming Avatar

Location: Powell
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 6:46pm

 kurtster wrote:

I'll take the second choice if I have to pick.  Since you asked and I answered, which one do you pick ?

 
I take choice B also. Of course the world is gray, and very soon we're going to have to get back to some sort of due process. The problem is, dick cheese like Moore would force his accusers to sit in a courtroom and spell out exactly what happened and then he'd say they're lying and attack them... all the classic reasons women haven't come forward. We can't go back to that. 
 
If we discover that a weeping discharge like Roger Stone did coach Al Franken's accusers, he should be punished as severely as the person wrongly accused. If Al's charged with rape and that charge carries a 20-year sentence, then Stone's meddling should also carry a 20-year sentence. The downside to bearing false witness has to be as crushing as the wrongful prosecution is to the convicted. Of course, this too means women will hesitate to come forward with a wavering accusation.

So we're entering a phase of puritanism that will ruin some innocents' lives. The pendulum swings. I'm over here out of the way, I hope, and I know that for now, it's worth it. It's important to get to a point where people don't just think twice about being a creepy power junkie, they don't even think about it. Being thought of as a creep has to become unacceptable again. For too long now, it's seemed like a badge of honor for some people.
 
I said choose your poison because there are losers either way. Is being falsely accused, 2 decades after the fact, terrible? Sure. More terrible than being raped and feeling like you need to keep quiet about it? No.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 6:19pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I was referring to allowing leniency for things that happened some time ago:
might be motivated only by politics (not just "political" politics but office politics too) or revenge when the original incident wasn't actually as described so maybe we should take it easy there. Ramifications: Leaving rapists/molesters in a position to continue raping or simply go unpunished

OR
go after all of the accused, possibly sweeping out good people who were not guilty as would-have-been charged, or people who have long since turned a corner and are no longer deserving of further punishment
 
I offered Kurt the opportunity to choose his poison, meant in all seriousness. I don't think he really is suggesting we look the other way if someone's accused of rape. But the feeling that he's saying all the accusers of Roy Moore are just political pawns (but Al Franken's victims are not) does suggest he should stop digging. Because at least half of his posts here continue to qualify for a WTF are you kidding me? response.

 
Sorry, that was just too open ended of a question the way you presented it to even try and speculate an answer.

But since you clarified it a little bit better I'll offer up this ...

I'm still a little butt hurt as you say that anyone would even think that I think rape is ok at any level for starters, let alone look the other way for any reason.  The Franken and Moore do compare.  Both are old enough and without photo proof of Franken, I doubt that it would have gone very far.  Both of their victims are victims and since this went public, they are all political pawns, imo.  We have left the court of law and gone into the court of public opinion.

I'll take the second choice if I have to pick.  Since you asked and I answered, which one do you pick ?
Coaxial

Coaxial Avatar

Location: Comfortably numb in So Texas
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 5:34pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I was referring to allowing leniency for things that happened some time ago:
might be motivated only by politics (not just "political" politics but office politics too) or revenge when the original incident wasn't actually as described so maybe we should take it easy there. Ramifications: Leaving rapists/molesters in a position to continue raping or simply go unpunished

OR
go after all of the accused, possibly sweeping out good people who were not guilty as would-have-been charged, or people who have long since turned a corner and are no longer deserving of further punishment
 
I offered Kurt the opportunity to choose his poison, meant in all seriousness. I don't think he really is suggesting we look the other way if someone's accused of rape. But the feeling that he's saying all the accusers of Roy Moore are just political pawns (but Al Franken's victims are not) does suggest he should stop digging. Because at least half of his posts here continue to qualify for a WTF are you kidding me? response.

 
Welcome to my world,amigo.
kurtster

kurtster Avatar

Location: where fear is not a virtue
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 3:21pm

 aflanigan wrote:

If this is an allusion to Moore's many accusers, the initial ones did not "come forward" as his craven, dissembling defenders have suggested.  They were approach by reporters working on a story. They were reluctant to tell their story publicly (understandable given how the GOP rage monkeys have reacted) and only agreed to go public after several interviews.

Is that where you're going with this? 

 
No.  Its with the hope that we accomplish establishing an atmosphere where victims of sexual transgressions can come forward without fear of disbelief or retaliation and not have to suffer in the shadows forever as has been the case up until now.  I really think that these revelations will continue for some time and when it's run its course Moore will barely be remembered just based on the sheer magnitude of people coming forward.   

If after all of this has run its course and the results make it more comfortable to bring these kinds of things up that there just simply will not be many left and victims begin to deal with attackers in real time. The attackers will have finally lost the ability to intimidate their victims due to the fact that we have established an awareness that these things are no longer acceptable (once again) at any level, not isolated incidents; that these things can no longer be swept under the rug by the powerful or connected.  I doubt that we'll ever stop those who are just plain wired wrong, but it would be nice to think that we can stop those who would attempt these things just because they think that they can get away with this stuff based solely upon their power and status.

I clearly have bitten off more than I can chew.  I'll leave this for the more learned now.  I was just trying to figure out exactly who we are talking about here (just women who are victims or everyone) and be optimistic that we can finally get a handle on this, this time around and that this will be the last time around.  

{#Meditate}


hayduke2

hayduke2 Avatar

Location: Southampton, NY
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 10:47am

I would show respect and gratitude to anyone who brings to light criminal acts perpetrated by a potential Judge, or Political Representative 

ScottFromWyoming

ScottFromWyoming Avatar

Location: Powell
Gender: Male


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 - 10:47am

 aflanigan wrote:

The Law of Holes is one that some people are apparently unfamiliar with.

 
I was referring to allowing leniency for things that happened some time ago:
might be motivated only by politics (not just "political" politics but office politics too) or revenge when the original incident wasn't actually as described so maybe we should take it easy there. Ramifications: Leaving rapists/molesters in a position to continue raping or simply go unpunished

OR
go after all of the accused, possibly sweeping out good people who were not guilty as would-have-been charged, or people who have long since turned a corner and are no longer deserving of further punishment
 
I offered Kurt the opportunity to choose his poison, meant in all seriousness. I don't think he really is suggesting we look the other way if someone's accused of rape. But the feeling that he's saying all the accusers of Roy Moore are just political pawns (but Al Franken's victims are not) does suggest he should stop digging. Because at least half of his posts here continue to qualify for a WTF are you kidding me? response.
Page: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10  Next