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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 10:52am

Apparently it's damned difficult to be male, rich and/or famous and also be a decent human being.


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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 10:48am

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Keillor fired over claim of improper behavior


I think what troubles me about these is the "fired due to allegations"


 
This wouldn't surprise me in the least. I always got the creep vibe from him.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 10:21am

 Steely_D wrote:

Keillor fired over claim of improper behavior


I think what troubles me about these is the "fired due to allegations"
 
I imagine in many workplaces - especially ones with very public exposure - allegations of most things listed under "improper behavior" are enough, at least if they seem credible or at least possible to HR.  Anyhow, I thought he was retired.


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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 10:15am

Keillor fired over claim of improper behavior


I think what troubles me about these is the "fired due to allegations"

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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 8:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I get that A) "news" at this level is not really separate from "entertainment" and 2) it's really not a hair worth splitting, but still:

I kind of want someone to tally up how many are from the "news" sector and how many from "entertainment." And then compare with politics, and with business at large.

 
i was thinking something similar. News/Entertainment/Politics  maybe they're all not separate.

 


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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 8:46am

 meower wrote:
Matt Lauer 
 
I get that A) "news" at this level is not really separate from "entertainment" and 2) it's really not a hair worth splitting, but still:

I kind of want someone to tally up how many are from the "news" sector and how many from "entertainment." And then compare with politics, and with business at large.
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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 6:32am

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holy crap! didn't see that one coming
soon all men in entertainment and politics will be unemployed.

 
ditto
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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 5:46am

holy crap! didn't see that one coming
soon all men in entertainment and politics will be unemployed.


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Posted: Nov 29, 2017 - 5:40am

Matt Lauer 
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 1:10pm

All these scandals could be a big boon for female execs and politicians. Not sure how or if you can consciously "spin" that...but maybe we'll see more gender diversity in the coming year?
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 12:19pm

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Sure, but a lot of my facebook feed is full of people who are quick to make the "he's a Dem/Repub so of course" argument. 

 




Oh no question, it really grinds my gears too.
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 12:16pm

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 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yeah the "ha ha you guys suck" crowd make me wonder how many people walk around with these blinders on...

 


I actually don't think its blinders in a lot of cases, I think it is more of partisans with an agenda who are trying to just score points for the team and Bend it like Beckham to make it work. Just another microcosm of how screwed up our political system and culture is and how far its gotten out of hand. :-(

 
Sure, but a lot of my facebook feed is full of people who are quick to make the "he's a Dem/Repub so of course" argument. 
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 12:11pm

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If you think political ambition has no relation to sexual harassment, it may be you that's missing the point.

People in positions of power doing what they please

 





No, I certainly don't however I do appreciate the breeze created by your whoosh of my point. Power being used as leverage to misbehave is kinda like you know the sky being blue and stuff. Duh and or Hello.


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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 12:07pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
The floodgates that have been released since the Weinstein revelation is quite satisfying on many levels; the most important is that hopefully with all of this public shaming and light being shown on this creepy behavior this will hopefully dissuade this type of behavior and they will start to keep their hands and their penises to themselves. The second less important but nevertheless satisfying side effect of these revelations is that they will no doubt have more effect and publicity when the alleged perpetrator is wealthy, powerful and/or famous and I admittedly take joy in watching the powerful and celebrity class struggle. Bring em all down I say, let others worry about what team they are on and bullsh*&t like that. Those looking for a partisan angle to further their political agenda will be playing Twister cause political persuasion and being a creep have nothing to do with one another. Keep ya hands to yo self or wind up in the funny papers! At least some type of swamp is being drained anyway and it has nothing to do with politics or at least if you think it does, you are missing the point.
 
If you think political ambition has no relation to sexual harassment, it may be you that's missing the point.

People in positions of power doing what they please
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 12:01pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Yeah the "ha ha you guys suck" crowd make me wonder how many people walk around with these blinders on...

 




I actually don't think its blinders in a lot of cases, I think it is more of partisans with an agenda who are trying to just score points for the team and Bend it like Beckham to make it work. Just another microcosm of how screwed up our political system and culture is and how far its gotten out of hand. :-(
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 11:48am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 political persuasion and being a creep have nothing to do with one another. 
 
Yeah the "ha ha you guys suck" crowd make me wonder how many people walk around with these blinders on...
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 11:14am

The floodgates that have been released since the Weinstein revelation is quite satisfying on many levels; the most important is that hopefully with all of this public shaming and light being shown on this creepy behavior this will hopefully dissuade this type of behavior and they will start to keep their hands and their penises to themselves. The second less important but nevertheless satisfying side effect of these revelations is that they will no doubt have more effect and publicity when the alleged perpetrator is wealthy, powerful and/or famous and I admittedly take joy in watching the powerful and celebrity class struggle. Bring em all down I say, let others worry about what team they are on and bullsh*&t like that. Those looking for a partisan angle to further their political agenda will be playing Twister cause political persuasion and being a creep have nothing to do with one another. Keep ya hands to yo self or wind up in the funny papers! At least some type of swamp is being drained anyway and it has nothing to do with politics or at least if you think it does, you are missing the point.



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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 9:43am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Cable and streaming has so many things that I want to watch but I know they're going to let me down. I see so many comedians have Netflix or Amazon series and I think "ah, that'll be great!" Loaded up the Aziz Ansari series because on NPR it sounded great. Opening scene: bare-assed fucking. Charlie likes Patton Oswalt (he's in the new MST3K and does some voice work in animations etc) so we put on his standup special. Some of it was great and then we were all "is he really going there?" and yep he did. Richard Pryor would have been "dude, dial it back."

 
re. comedians...then there is the hypocrisy back in the day of Cosby criticizing Pryor.  Who the hell knows anymore.
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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 9:23am

 black321 wrote:

Yeah the freaks were always around, and obviously back in the day the vulnerable were even more so.  On the other hand, maybe it would be nice if people had more manners...and perhaps our culture could simmer down a bit.  I'm not a prude, but do we really need titles for shows that were once reserved for porn like SMILF?  Ok its on cable, but still?

 
Cable and streaming has so many things that I want to watch but I know they're going to let me down. I see so many comedians have Netflix or Amazon series and I think "ah, that'll be great!" Loaded up the Aziz Ansari series because on NPR it sounded great. Opening scene: bare-assed fucking. Charlie likes Patton Oswalt (he's in the new MST3K and does some voice work in animations etc) so we put on his standup special. Some of it was great and then we were all "is he really going there?" and yep he did. Richard Pryor would have been "dude, dial it back."

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Posted: Nov 27, 2017 - 8:53am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Wow. And this guy's evaluating other peoples' mental processes?  
  
Subject change: I've heard this wave of revelations being referred to as The New Puritanism, the implication being that we're getting to a point where Gentlemen may only risk rejection via a calling card. To actually broach the subject of pursuing a relationship more casually is becoming unacceptable.
 

And of course, the Valentine card, which was once, literally, asking permission to consider the recipient his girlfriend; actual conversation may come later.
 


 
The point is that the 60s and 70s did away with so much of this stifled protocol. I'm sure creepers were around in earlier days but to get rid of any rule is usually/always taken as a hint that you should do the thing that used to be verboten. I think the 70s confused the hell out of a lot of people, but they got more sex (or thought it was working that way for others), so they went along with it. I do not know what I'm talking about.
 
Yeah the freaks were always around, and obviously back in the day the vulnerable were even more so.  On the other hand, maybe it would be nice if people had more manners...and perhaps our culture could simmer down a bit.  I'm not a prude, but do we really need titles for shows that were once reserved for porn like SMILF?  Ok its on cable, but still?
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