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Posted: Jan 16, 2021 - 12:05pm

The 15 most notable lies of Donald Trump's presidency

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Posted: Jan 16, 2021 - 10:44am

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Posted: Jan 14, 2021 - 7:42pm


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Posted: Jan 9, 2021 - 12:55pm

Like historical fascist leaders, Trump has presented himself as the single source of truth. His use of the term “fake news” echoed the Nazi smear Lügenpresse (“lying press”); like the Nazis, he referred to reporters as “enemies of the people.” Like Adolf Hitler, he came to power at a moment when the conventional press had taken a beating; the financial crisis of 2008 did to American newspapers what the Great Depression did to German ones. The Nazis thought that they could use radio to replace the old pluralism of the newspaper; Trump tried to do the same with Twitter.

Thanks to technological capacity and personal talent, Donald Trump lied at a pace perhaps unmatched by any other leader in history.
For the most part these were small lies, and their main effect was cumulative. To believe in all of them was to accept the authority of a single man, because to believe in all of them was to disbelieve everything else. Once such personal authority was established, the president could treat everyone else as the liars; he even had the power to turn someone from a trusted adviser into a dishonest scoundrel with a single tweet. Yet so long as he was unable to enforce some truly big lie, some fantasy that created an alternative reality where people could live and die, his pre-fascism fell short of the thing itself.

Some of his lies were, admittedly, medium-size: that he was a successful businessman; that Russia did not support him in 2016; that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. Such medium-size lies were the standard fare of aspiring authoritarians in the 21st century. In Poland the right-wing party built a martyrdom cult around assigning blame to political rivals for an airplane crash that killed the nation’s president. Hungary’s Viktor Orban blames a vanishingly small number of Muslim refugees for his country’s problems. But such claims were not quite big lies; they stretched but did not rend what Hannah Arendt called “the fabric of factuality.” (...)

On the surface, a conspiracy theory makes its victim look strong: It sees Trump as resisting the Democrats, the Republicans, the Deep State, the pedophiles, the Satanists. More profoundly, however, it inverts the position of the strong and the weak. Trump’s focus on alleged “irregularities” and “contested states” comes down to cities where Black people live and vote. At bottom, the fantasy of fraud is that of a crime committed by Black people against white people.

It’s not just that electoral fraud by African-Americans against Donald Trump never happened. It is that it is the very opposite of what happened, in 2020 and in every American election. As always, Black people waited longer than others to vote and were more likely to have their votes challenged. They were more likely to be suffering or dying from Covid-19, and less likely to be able to take time away from work. The historical protection of their right to vote has been removed by the Supreme Court’s 2013 ruling in Shelby County v. Holder, and states have rushed to pass measures of a kind that historically reduce voting by the poor and communities of color.

The claim that Trump was denied a win by fraud is a big lie not just because it mauls logic, misdescribes the present and demands belief in a conspiracy. It is a big lie, fundamentally, because it reverses the moral field of American politics and the basic structure of American history. (...)

Trump is, for now, the martyr in chief, the high priest of the big lie. He is the leader of the breakers, at least in the minds of his supporters. By now, the gamers do not want Trump around. Discredited in his last weeks, he is useless; shorn of the obligations of the presidency, he will become embarrassing again, much as he was in 2015. Unable to provide cover for their gamesmanship, he will be irrelevant to their daily purposes. But the breakers have an even stronger reason to see Trump disappear: It is impossible to inherit from someone who is still around. Seizing Trump’s big lie might appear to be a gesture of support. In fact it expresses a wish for his political death. Transforming the myth from one about Trump to one about the nation will be easier when he is out of the way.

As Cruz and Hawley may learn, to tell the big lie is to be owned by it. Just because you have sold your soul does not mean that you have driven a hard bargain. Hawley shies from no level of hypocrisy; the son of a banker, educated at Stanford University and Yale Law School, he denounces elites. Insofar as Cruz was thought to have a principle, it was that of states’ rights, which Trump’s calls to action brazenly violated. A joint statement Cruz issued about the senators’ challenge to the vote nicely captured the post-truth aspect of the whole: It never alleged that there was fraud, only that there were allegations of fraud. Allegations of allegations, allegations all the way down. (...)

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Posted: Jan 9, 2021 - 12:23pm

Trump’s Falsehood-Filled ‘Save America’ Rally
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Robert Fuller of Georgia remained so furious about the election that he foresaw an America casting off from its deepest moorings. “We’ll be lucky if we still have a country left after this,” he said, citing false claims of election fraud that the president had ranted about over the weekend on a recorded call to Georgia’s top election official, a Republican.

“I foresee a civil war coming, Republicans against Democrats,” Mr. Fuller said. “You know as well as I do they stuffed the ballots in the states of Georgia, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan.”

In Georgia’s Senate runoff elections on Tuesday, Mr. Fuller, 65, supported the Republicans Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue, both of whom lost. The victors — the Rev. Raphael Warnock, who will be the first Black senator from Georgia, and Jon Ossoff, who will be the Senate’s youngest member — secured control of the chamber for Democrats.

Mr. Fuller does not consider either winner legitimate. Not because they didn’t win the most votes, but because of their political views, which were caricatured during the race as far left of center.

“If they were legitimate Democrats it wouldn’t be a problem, but they’re not legitimate,” he said. Parroting comments that Mr. Trump made at a rally in Georgia on the eve of the election, he added: “Warnock is a Marxist and Ossoff is a communist, as far as I’m concerned. Might as well let the Chinese take over the country the way things are going.’’

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Posted: Jan 7, 2021 - 7:08pm

In his opening, Mr. Trump claimed that he “immediately deployed the National Guard” to “expel the intruders,” despite accounts from people familiar with the events saying he had resisted those calls and that it was, in fact, Mr. Pence who had ordered the National Guard to deploy.

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The video was vital in the sense that Mr. Trump’s ardent supporters will only accept his words, not anyone else’s, and officials throughout government are concerned about unrest for the next 13 days around the country. But the president has a long history of recording such videos only to undermine his own remarks a short time later.

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Posted: Jan 6, 2021 - 6:54pm

Fact-Checking the Congressional Debate on Ratifying the Election Results
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Posted: Jan 6, 2021 - 2:35pm

“Lies have consequences,” he continued. “This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the president’s addiction to constantly stoking division.”
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Posted: Jan 5, 2021 - 1:12pm

President Trump falsely claimed on Tuesday that Vice President Mike Pence has the power to reject electors when the Electoral College vote is certified this week, continuing a pressure campaign the president has slowly increased in recent days.
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Posted: Jan 3, 2021 - 10:14pm

Trump Repeats Debunked Election Claims in Call With Georgia Official
The president recited a number of viral online falsehoods involving dead voters, Dominion voting machines, shredded ballots and a water leak, among other baseless claims of fraud.
What Mr. Trump Said

“So dead people voted. And I think the number is close to 5,000 people.”

False. The actual number was two, Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s secretary of state, told the president in the call.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021 - 2:16pm

 haresfur wrote:
 R_P wrote:
Denial


I really love this one. CDC has exaggerated the covid numbers because they didn't report inaccurately low numbers. 

"We should be more like China or Russia!"
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Posted: Jan 3, 2021 - 2:11pm



 R_P wrote:
Denial

 
I really love this one. CDC has exaggerated the covid numbers because they didn't report inaccurately low numbers. 

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021 - 1:39pm

Denial

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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 9:23pm

 kcar wrote:
"The choice is only between liars anymore."

People have probably been making that claim since the beginning of organized politics.

"It looks the better saner liar won this election cycle." ftfy...

Happy New Year, Space Cowboy.

 
It's a start.  I can live with this for now.

Happy New Year to you, too.
{#Cheers}
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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 9:06pm



 kurtster wrote:

That works for most of the voting public lately.  The choice is only between liars anymore.  Whose do you like best is the question, pragmatically speaking.

It looks the better liar won this election cycle.

I got nothing else.  
{#Cheers}
 

"The choice is only between liars anymore."

People have probably been making that claim since the beginning of organized politics.

"It looks the better saner liar won this election cycle." ftfy...

Happy New Year, Space Cowboy.


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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 8:54pm



 VV wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

That works for most of the voting public lately.  The choice is only between liars anymore.  Whose do you like best is the question, pragmatically speaking.

It looks the better liar won this election cycle.

I got nothing else.  
{#Cheers}
 

Keep lying to yourself if that’s what it takes to sleep better at night.
 

It’s worked all these years, why stop now?  Take another slug on the bong & sleep in peace.  There’re worse plans.
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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 6:43pm



 kurtster wrote:

That works for most of the voting public lately.  The choice is only between liars anymore.  Whose do you like best is the question, pragmatically speaking.

It looks the better liar won this election cycle.

I got nothing else.  
{#Cheers}
 
Without getting into lie vs. misstatement or the sheer quantity, I believe the question is who's lies have done the most damage and that is trump

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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 6:08pm



 kurtster wrote:

That works for most of the voting public lately.  The choice is only between liars anymore.  Whose do you like best is the question, pragmatically speaking.

It looks the better liar won this election cycle.

I got nothing else.  
{#Cheers}
 

Keep lying to yourself if that’s what it takes to sleep better at night.
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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 5:08pm

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The single most profound revelation of the Trump presidency: that there is a large fraction of the electorate eager to be lied to so long as the lies stoke their grievances.
 
That works for most of the voting public lately.  The choice is only between liars anymore.  Whose do you like best is the question, pragmatically speaking.

It looks the better liar won this election cycle.

I got nothing else.  {#Cheers}
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Posted: Dec 29, 2020 - 5:01pm

kurtster wrote:
The whole point of my original post was calling out what I saw as the perception (mine) or POV presented in this thread that Trump is the only one who is doing the lying.

Trump happens to be the only one who is currently president.

Yes, lying is unacceptable in a court of law. In the court of public opinion, that changes. That is where we get into the ends justify the means, which I also agree is unacceptable, yet it happens all of time and seems to be getting more accepted as standard practice the longer I live. Do not condone it and never have, but it happens too much to do much more than say it is what it is.

The single most profound revelation of the Trump presidency: that there is a large fraction of the electorate eager to be lied to so long as the lies stoke their grievances.
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