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westslope

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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 12:39pm



 black321 wrote:
regarding 
, how do you reconcile that with the trade war?  Is it just to feed his ego, in spite of the fact it could cost him the election?
 
Good question.   I believe that Trump is simply reflecting his own (successful) experience in the hotel business.   He was very successful breaking contracts, bullying others and going bankrupt as many times as required.

I suspect that Trump believes his muscular, elbows up approach to 'negotiations'  will work in the international sphere just as it worked for him in the hotel business.

The problem is that the Trump speaks with forked tongue approach to building the hotel business might have worked well, but the same Americans speak with forked tongue approach is unlikely to work so well in the international sphere.  

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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 12:12pm

regarding , how do you reconcile that with the trade war?  Is it just to feed his ego, in spite of the fact it could cost him the election?
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 11:55am

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 hayduke2 wrote:
 

Well, one way to think about this is that Trump is being eclectic in his policy choices.  Trump's choice of Marxist Keynesian fiscal policy, i.e., constant non-stop annual deficits, surely appeals to some on the extreme left.   Think of it as Trump's way of 'reaching out'.  Besides it fits with his paternalistic corporate fascism and aggressive mercantilist policy style.   Americans can no longer compete and they require a firm, strong helping hand from the American state.    Father Trump to the rescue.  

The other way to think about this is that Trump does not care about the future but cares about his popularity here and now.  In that respect, it is quite legitimate to ask future generations of Americans to pay for his popularity now.   
 
Actually that has been my biggest complain of all of our Presidents.  Trump has his own unique set of challenges to be sure, but he is par for the course in this regard.{#Cool}
westslope

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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 11:51am



 hayduke2 wrote:
 

Well, one way to think about this is that Trump is being eclectic in his policy choices.  Trump's choice of Marxist Keynesian fiscal policy, i.e., constant non-stop annual deficits, surely appeals to some on the extreme left.   Think of it as Trump's way of 'reaching out'.  Besides it fits with his paternalistic corporate fascism and aggressive mercantilist policy style.   Americans can no longer compete and they require a firm, strong helping hand from the American state.    Father Trump to the rescue.  

The other way to think about this is that Trump does not care about the future but cares about his popularity here and now.  In that respect, it is quite legitimate to ask future generations of Americans to pay for his popularity now.   


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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 11:21am

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-national-debt-increase-3-trillion-first-three-years-presidency-1483660
W
ealthy Lying Moron and his tribe of believers are destroying our Nation
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 7:44am



 Proclivities wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Perhaps it's time to start a thread about lies and flip flops made by democratic candidates that you all simply dismiss as bluster or outright ignore.


Don't worry.  I won't because I have not the time to keep up with all of it because there is just me who would be posting and there is just as much from your side of the street as there is mine.  That and you all will just ignore that thread just as I ignore this thread.

Just sayin'
 
There's not really much of a comparison; would it add up to 16,000+ false or misleading claims?  Even if that number is an exaggeration, there is no one who lies as regularly and easily as he does.  The candidates have  been "called" on their inaccuracies or falsehoods, by members of both parties and people here.  Not only are Trump's lies often ignored by his own party but there are so many of them that they're often ignored by his opponents.  Could you imagine if any of the last four Presidents made outright false claims such as these?

"We have the greatest economy we've ever had in the history of our country."
"For the first time in decades, we're no longer concentrating wealth in the hands of a few..."
"Just last week alone, the United States concluded two extraordinary trade deals — the agreement with China and the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement — the two biggest trade deals ever made."

Those lies were just in the course of one short speech to an international audience.
 

And therein lies the beauty of his strategy and the genius of his delivery.

As President, he gets enough attention to have people do foolish things with their lives...like count the number of times that individual feels he has lied.  What do you put on the resume....lie counter?  It's amazing, but it takes unwavering focus to keep up.  

Someone posts the number of lies, which has specific details for each and every item, and the response from the Republicans is "you guys do it all the time too".  He (Trump) has deflected and projected and repeated things so many times, that the people who follow him accept the notion that he's only doing what everyone else is doing.  To drain the swamp, first, you have to put on your boots and get dirty.  It's brilliant actually.  Project every single thing you do wrong as exactly what everyone else is doing.  Impeachment...for what?  Withholding funds and Quid-pro-quo's happen all the time.  Get used to it...ask Mick.  That statement is true....what's missing is that it's against the Constitution to do so for personal, political gain.  Withholding money because US interests suggest it's prudent....Perfect.  Do the exact same thing so the President can drag his most likely opponent in the 2020 Presidential election down into the swamp with him....that's a documented no-no.  If you can make Biden look corrupt, why not vote for the corrupt guy leading the greatest economy in history?  

Kurt...You listed specific lies that Trump said in front of the world, and his followers respond with generalizations.  I know you're busy.  List 3lies told by Dems in the past week.   Jot down the name and what they said...explanations as to the truth would be appreciated, but aren't necessary if you're too tied up.  Thanks!
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Posted: Jan 23, 2020 - 6:45am



 kurtster wrote:

Perhaps it's time to start a thread about lies and flip flops made by democratic candidates that you all simply dismiss as bluster or outright ignore.


Don't worry.  I won't because I have not the time to keep up with all of it because there is just me who would be posting and there is just as much from your side of the street as there is mine.  That and you all will just ignore that thread just as I ignore this thread.

Just sayin'
 
There's not really much of a comparison; would it add up to 16,000+ false or misleading claims?  Even if that number is an exaggeration, there is no one who lies as regularly and easily as he does.  The candidates have  been "called" on their inaccuracies or falsehoods, by members of both parties and people here.  Not only are Trump's lies often ignored by his own party but there are so many of them that they're often ignored by his opponents.  Could you imagine if any of the last four Presidents made outright false claims such as these?

"We have the greatest economy we've ever had in the history of our country."
"For the first time in decades, we're no longer concentrating wealth in the hands of a few..."
"Just last week alone, the United States concluded two extraordinary trade deals — the agreement with China and the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement — the two biggest trade deals ever made."

Those lies were just in the course of one short speech to an international audience.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2020 - 2:34pm

 kurtster wrote:
(...) just as I ignore this thread.

 


About as convincing as you know who.

 kurtster wrote 1 year ago:
Trump lies everyday. Case closed. No further need for this thread.

Oh, and deflection...
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Posted: Jan 22, 2020 - 2:22pm

 Proclivities wrote:
There's a tendency to almost ignore his lies because he does it constantly.  He can make up any nonsense and never gets called on it.  His supporters seem to dismiss it as just "bluster" instead of deliberate, calculated lying.  
 
Perhaps it's time to start a thread about lies and flip flops made by democratic candidates that you all simply dismiss as bluster or outright ignore.

Don't worry.  I won't because I have not the time to keep up with all of it because there is just me who would be posting and there is just as much from your side of the street as there is mine.  That and you all will just ignore that thread just as I ignore this thread.

Just sayin'
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Posted: Jan 22, 2020 - 1:41pm


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Posted: Jan 22, 2020 - 10:58am



 R_P wrote:
 
Obviously pathological and habitual...

"Many of the president’s claims were rejected by the Columbia University economics professor Joseph Stiglitz. “Research shows that Trump normally tells five or six lies a day. He far exceeded that today,” he said, noting that growth had been faster under Barack Obama than it was currently under Trump, and that life expectancy had fallen every year of his presidency."
 
Even in the article you linked to there is one of Trump's lie-filled rambles where he goes on about how: "the American dream was back, “bigger, better and stronger” than before, adding that the benefits of growth were going primarily to low-income workers rather than the better off. Trump added that 7m jobs had been created and 12,000 factories opened during his presidency."
  The "12,000" figure is particularly ironic (and misdirectional) for him to use since according to the Commerce Dept.,  US factories lost about 12,000 jobs in December - which is likely where he came across that specific number.
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Posted: Jan 22, 2020 - 9:53am

 Proclivities wrote:
There's a tendency to almost ignore his lies because he does it constantly.  He can make up any nonsense and never gets called on it.  His supporters seem to dismiss it as just "bluster" instead of deliberate, calculated lying.  Here is a short list of preposterous lies  from his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
"We have the greatest economy we've ever had in the history of our country."  
"For the first time in decades, we're no longer concentrating wealth in the hands of a few..."  
"Just last week alone, the United States concluded two extraordinary trade deals — the agreement with China and the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement — the two biggest trade deals ever made."
 
Obviously pathological and habitual...

"Many of the president’s claims were rejected by the Columbia University economics professor Joseph Stiglitz. “Research shows that Trump normally tells five or six lies a day. He far exceeded that today,” he said, noting that growth had been faster under Barack Obama than it was currently under Trump, and that life expectancy had fallen every year of his presidency."
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Posted: Jan 22, 2020 - 7:35am

There's a tendency to almost ignore his lies because he does it constantly.  He can make up any nonsense and never gets called on it.  His supporters seem to dismiss it as just "bluster" instead of deliberate, calculated lying.  Here is a short list of preposterous lies  from his speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.
"We have the greatest economy we've ever had in the history of our country."  
"For the first time in decades, we're no longer concentrating wealth in the hands of a few..."  
"Just last week alone, the United States concluded two extraordinary trade deals — the agreement with China and the United States-Mexico-Canada agreement — the two biggest trade deals ever made."
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Posted: Jan 21, 2020 - 2:34pm

Don the Prevaricator...
President Trump made 16,241 false or misleading claims in his first three years


In 2017, Trump made 1,999 false or misleading claims. In 2018, he added 5,689 more, for a total of 7,688. And in 2019, he made 8,155 suspect claims.

In other words, in a single year, the president said more than the total number of false or misleading claims he had made in the previous two years. Put another way: He averaged six such claims a day in 2017, nearly 16 a day in 2018 and more than 22 a day in 2019.

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Posted: Jan 16, 2020 - 11:39am


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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 7:58pm


Happy New Year!

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Posted: Jan 15, 2020 - 3:33pm

Trump playing everyman...
"Trump's complaints about new dishwashers are nuts and suggest he's never used one in his life"
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Posted: Jan 14, 2020 - 3:26pm

President Donald Trump systematically fabricated his record before boisterous supporters and the eyes of the world this past week.

To a core question — did the U.S. killing of an Iranian general avoid an imminent attack on U.S. interests? — there is no definitive answer days after missiles flew. Trump and his officials said the U.S. attack achieved that result but have yet to prove it.

In other matters, Trump offered distortion across the breadth of public policy. He declared clean-air achievements when the air has become dirtier. He claimed to have come up with the “great idea” of letting veterans seek private care at public expense, when that was already law, accomplished by President Barack Obama.

He complained that he didn’t get the Nobel Peace Prize for peace in Ethiopia, when he had little to nothing to do with it.

He invented a dialogue with a Democrat in Congress and claimed he succeeded on two fronts where other presidents failed, each time for at least 44 years, a made-up number.

And as he done repeatedly, but this time in the midst of dangerous brinkmanship with Iran, he falsely accused Obama of opening the U.S. treasury to Tehran and handing over a fortune. (...)

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Posted: Jan 5, 2020 - 5:58pm

Why lying about an ‘imminent’ attack would matter
Lies, the Bethlehem Doctrine, and the Illegal Murder of Soleimani
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Posted: Dec 20, 2019 - 12:20pm



 westslope wrote:


 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
"His Twitter feed alone — with its habitual string of mischaracterizations, lies, and slanders — is a near perfect example of a human being who is morally lost and confused."

Christianity Today, the magazine founded by Billy Graham, calling for the removal of Donald Trump
 
Did not many white Evangelical Christians view Billy Graham as a secular sell-out?

Recall that this is the same group who called for Bill Clinton's impeachment over consensual sex......

Original op-ed:  

Trump Should Be Removed from Office
It’s time to say what we said 20 years ago when a president’s character was revealed for what it was.


 
Keeping alive the family sell-out....

Billy Graham's Son Says It's 'Unfathomable' Christianity Today Would Side With Democrats in 'Totally Partisan' Attack on Trump

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