I repeat for the people in the back: We are increasingly becoming divided into two groups; those that want to control others and those that have no desire to do so.
I have news for you a lot of the people in the second group are not anti vaccination and have indeed been vaccinated, they are anti mandate.
Put another way... we will never support anything Joe Biden's government wants... but weren't not going to die for the cause.
The problem is that you're the smart ones. Sadly, there are many who are more tribal and won't protect themselves and others. Tell them to get vaccinated, not waste your time telling us why they shouldn't have to be.
We were already divided, but this is the most visible policy the right can protest. There are no mandates... but it sure sounds sexy when you site the Constitution, patriotism and freedom.
Virtually all of the regular posters sans Kurt and myself are modern progressives and traditional liberal atheist and maybe a few agnostics who have an innate disdain for religion which is fine, but has this lack of religion been replaced or is it just a cult?
Look the remaining people that have not been vaxxed come in all demographics and backgrounds and have different reasons for not getting the jab at this point, but one thing they have in common is that there are only 2 things that will change their viewpoint and decide that the risk assessment precludes to get the vaccination and that is that covid becomes so deadly that we will do anything to avoid it concerns be damned which obviously no matter what you say and experts you trot out does not meet reality or through coercion and force which is the only option left to achieve a ridiculous goal of 97% vaccination.
I repeat for the people in the back: We are increasingly becoming divided into two groups; those that want to control others and those that have no desire to do so.
I have news for you a lot of the people in the second group are not anti vaccination and have indeed been vaccinated, they are anti mandate. You can praise the glories of Pfizer and have disdain and contempt for those that have hesitancy all you want, but just know this. To achieve your goals you are going to have to don the uniform of the Facist. There are some here who have no qualms about this and you know who you are, I just hope the rest give pause to this fact is all.
Dr. Joseph Ladapo of âAmericaâs Frontline Doctorsâ is now in charge of public health in Florida Dr. Joseph Ladapo, a member of the fringe medical group âAmericanâs Frontline Doctorsâ and signer of the widely criticized Great Barrington Declaration, is Floridaâs new Surgeon General, appointed because he agrees with the dubious COVID-19 policies of Gov. DeSantis and, like the Governor, allows ideology to trump science.
She casually mentions ramping up hospital capacity. lol I thought she lived in America but I guess not.
That's Singapore....where they are 82% vaxxed. They are seeing some of their highest infection/hospitalization rates ever, and are ramping up for 3 times as many cases now that they are "open"?
Guess we'll find out how that "natural immunity" booster works with a country-wide clinical trial.
This resonates. We now are hearing about natural immunity being a reason for not getting vaccinated but that particular chorus has grown as mandates began to apply. I did not hear it voiced that much earlier in the year. We also heard about lack of FDA approval as a reason for remaining unvaccinated. This often appears to me as a case of follow the bouncing ball as it skips from reason to reason for not getting vaccinated.
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Sep 28, 2021 - 4:43pm
ScottFromWyoming wrote:
I think most of us can recall a time when Trump was president and he was simultaneously promoting us all injecting bleach* and also saying we need to just hold out until the vaccines are ready and that was the talking point of antimaskers a year or 15 months ago.... that the masks were not very useful (they of course used more colorful language) and we just all needed to hope we survive until the vaccine makes it all go away. Kamala Harris was famously misquoted as saying she wouldn't ever take a vaccine (meaning if it was just some thing that Trump promoted without Dr. Fauci et al agreeing, then hell no. But otherwise, of course). Then the vaccine appears and all the "hold out for the vaccine" people did a powershift right onto "my body my choice don't force me to do this" and I just sit there with a blank stare.
*of course that's a misquote too but he usually made no sense unless you were willing to parse every utterance, so people can be forgiven for running with what they thought they heard.
This resonates. We now are hearing about natural immunity being a reason for not getting vaccinated but that particular chorus has grown as mandates began to apply. I did not hear it voiced that much earlier in the year. We also heard about lack of FDA approval as a reason for remaining unvaccinated. This often appears to me as a case of follow the bouncing ball as it skips from reason to reason for not getting vaccinated.
Not quite. Most recently, 28%. Assuming you took 300M for your 25%, then it would be 84 million. However, the poll suggests it's 23%, not 12%, of Republicans that are NeverVaxxers. That amounts to 19.3 million, roughly 6.44% or about 1 in 13 people (again based on that 300M).
Taking 25% or 28% of the total population is problematic too, of course, because a fair amount of citizens aren't included in that Gallup polling (e.g. children).
It's the mind-boggling stupidity of being both anti-vax AND anti-mask.
I think most of us can recall a time when Trump was president and he was simultaneously promoting us all injecting bleach* and also saying we need to just hold out until the vaccines are ready and that was the talking point of antimaskers a year or 15 months ago.... that the masks were not very useful (they of course used more colorful language) and we just all needed to hope we survive until the vaccine makes it all go away. Kamala Harris was famously misquoted as saying she wouldn't ever take a vaccine (meaning if it was just some thing that Trump promoted without Dr. Fauci et al agreeing, then hell no. But otherwise, of course). Then the vaccine appears and all the "hold out for the vaccine" people did a powershift right onto "my body my choice don't force me to do this" and I just sit there with a blank stare.
*of course that's a misquote too but he usually made no sense unless you were willing to parse every utterance, so people can be forgiven for running with what they thought they heard.
Being a caregiver (untrained, on call 24/7) very often kills the caregiver before the person being cared for. The person I quoted lived it with her mother-in-law, who died 6 years before her invalid husband, cared for in his home, by her. (aside: His last words, as he called his son close to his side, "...we're Jewish." *cark* ), and is living it currently with her own mother. She's the only one of her 6 siblings who still lives in the same town, grandma is hale and hearty but "not there." She needs to be someplace where she won't burn the place down (always turns on a burner on the stove then forgets she was going to cook, so the gas and power are now turned off to all appliances except the microwave), and where the family's enduring memories of the great lady won't be of having to clean shit out of her vagina.
Both you and black321 make excellent points. At some point, adult children are often no longer capable of looking after elderly parents.
From what I observe, many elderly but still highly functional parents prefer to live by themselves or alone rather than live with one of their children. Regardless, of what motivates these choices or outcomes, in the context of the pandemic, these lifestyle choices or outcomes are irrelevant. Everybody matters.
That said, old people loneliness seems to be a largely rich country problem. Though upon further reflection, rich countries also host a lot of young adults who are lonely.
It's the mind-boggling stupidity of being both anti-vax AND anti-mask.
Yes, I'll agree with that.
I will also say that the few people I do know who are unvaccinated do generally wear masks in public. They are aware of their responsibility The functional purpose of the mask is to protect others from the wearer. They keep their bugs to themselves. Unless you are using a bona fide K-95, masks are more decorational than functional for protecting yourself from others.
And let's also make a distinction between anti - vax and the unvaccinated. Not all of the unvaccinated are anti - vax. In fact looking at the numbers below as posted by richard, the percentage of never is rather small overall @ 12%.
