It was never even about getting vaccinated per se or not, it was about being hesitant for these particular vaccines that were rolled out so quickly and quite frankly the militant attitude and disbelief that anyone would dare have any hesitancy labeling everyone who did as anti vaxxers or nut jobs. There is so much more going on here that is disturbing and vaccines are only the symptom pun intended.
I think you should do whatever you choose to do with your own body based upon your situation. Number one though is getting an antibody test because you don't really know if you have been infected there are literally millions that have been exposed to the virus and have no idea.
I completely agree with you. Do as you wish for yourself. That decision however needs to include societal participation. If you want to actively engage with others, then you have to take precautions as determined by those selected to make decisions for society. There is documented proof that vaccines improve the safety of everyone, so if you want to shop in certain stores, work for certain companies and/or in certain industries, attend schools, fly on airplanes, etc., you have to balance your health decisions with your social decisions. Entirely your call...but you know the rules so go ahead and make an informed decision. Although natural antibodies may provide similar safety, at this point that's just not an acceptable risk for others in society to take. It's like saying I'm a great driver, but I decided not to get a driver's license because the stress of the test upsets me. Your choice...but appreciate the rules.
I doubt this. The only thing vaccinations have proven to do is to protect those getting vaccinated from serious symptoms when they are exposed that could lead to hospitalizations or death or at least reducing the odds of such an outcome. They do not prevent infection and spread ergo vaccinated are actually more of a threat to the unvaccinated than the other way around. So yes vaccines improve the safety of those being vaccinated, but not those that are unvaccinated. This means the unvaccinated are only putting themselves at a higher risk and at this point knowingly. This is why the treatment of our health care workers is unconscionable.
I think you should do whatever you choose to do with your own body based upon your situation. Number one though is getting an antibody test because you don't really know if you have been infected there are literally millions that have been exposed to the virus and have no idea.
I completely agree with you. Do as you wish for yourself.
That decision however needs to include societal participation. If you want to actively engage with others, then you have to take precautions as determined by those selected to make decisions for society. There is documented proof that vaccines improve the safety of everyone, so if you want to shop in certain stores, work for certain companies and/or in certain industries, attend schools, fly on airplanes, etc., you have to balance your health decisions with your social decisions. Entirely your call...but you know the rules so go ahead and make an informed decision.
Although natural antibodies may provide similar safety, at this point that's just not an acceptable risk for others in society to take. It's like saying I'm a great driver, but I decided not to get a driver's license because the stress of the test upsets me. Your choice...but appreciate the rules.
Require as a condition of employment or association? Fine by me. If you want to take care of old people in a nursing home or infants in a prenatal ICU or do massage therapy or give lap dances at a strip club? Want to take part in a dance weekend? Damn right you should be vaxxed, and if you want other people to work with you in close quarters they may insist too. I wouldn't blame them.
And why natural immunity established and documented via testing should be ignored as a valid reason for not being vaccinated in order to work.
Can you document natural immunity? You can document vaccination. Testing is expensive, time-consuming, offers no protection between tests, and is prone to both false negatives and false positives. How long do you keep it up? Who pays for it? This is like refusing to build to fire code but saying "I'll look once a week to see if it's on fire."
I am certainly not arguing that employers have the right to do this, of course they do. But that is not what is happening, government is taking away employers choice by mandating by threat of coercion. Seems this is right up the alley of a libertarians complaint. My company had an excellent setup before the intervention, due to most of our employers already working from home they made proof of vaccination a requirement for going back to the office if they choose. Now the .gov is blown this choice all to hell.
As far as documenting natural immunity, you sure as hell can. I am about to get an anti body test to do this very thing if it were to come up positive. My assertion is that proof of previous infection should be held in the same regard as vaccination if they want to go that route and in truth it is superior because at this point it is the only route to immunity and preventing spread. Lawsuits have already been won by people producing proof of previous infection as prohibiting their getting fired due to lack of vaccination proof.
You did not address natural immunity at all. I stand by every single word he said evidently you only listened to the parts you wanted to. He nor I am an anti vaxer and there is nothing in his comments that suggest that in the slightest. I question your motivation and desire for seeking to have a discussion that I am not having, these are not the droids you are looking for.
You have absolute sovereignty over your body. You should be free to control what goes into it and how you treat it. I'm not arguing with your right to that decision, I'm arguing with the justifications you're pushing for it. Not just for you (who I care about and don't want to see get sick) but for those reading this who may be trying to decide what to do. I am soooo tired of hearing about people dying from this, laying around for weeks sick, clogging hospitals, burning out doctors and nurses, spreading the disease to the vulnerable. Evolution is an endlessly fascinating phenomenon, but we're witnessing something new: a disease has evolved lobbyists and a PR team. A secondary infection of the mind. This will take a while to clear up.
Jesus man, I was beginning to wonder. It is the little things, there are many here who I would bet that wouldn't even agree with this, but when you of all people barely admit to this and at this point I even question the sincerity or how long this viewpoint will hold then we are in a world of shit and covid is the least of our problems.
I have not been infected...nor have I been vaccinated. Should I get vaccinated, or wait to get sick and assume natural immunity?
I think you should do whatever you choose to do with your own body based upon your situation. Number one though is getting an antibody test because you don't really know if you have been infected there are literally millions that have been exposed to the virus and have no idea.
Novavax is what I am waiting on. I just hope they release it before they break my doors down, throw me on the ground and jab me with what they want to. I wish I was kidding, but I am dead serious. I think we are done as a free society.
first let me say congrats on deciding to get vaccinated
It was never even about getting vaccinated per se or not, it was about being hesitant for these particular vaccines that were rolled out so quickly and quite frankly the militant attitude and disbelief that anyone would dare have any hesitancy labeling everyone who did as anti vaxxers or nut jobs. There is so much more going on here that is disturbing and vaccines are only the symptom pun intended.
Novavax is what I am waiting on. I just hope they release it before they break my doors down, throw me on the ground and jab me with what they want to. I wish I was kidding, but I am dead serious. I think we are done as a free society.
first let me say congrats on deciding to get vaccinated that's news to me and a wise decision on your part i wouldn't worry about the authorities coming to your house i'm pretty sure they don't have the resources and the motivation if you scroll back to the post i made with a couple of pipeline trackers you can see where novavax and other are in that process here is one link to nejm
a couple of variables to consider: one is time and the second is approval (i experienced the non-approval with astra-zeneca) there's no doubt we're all going to be exposed to a version of this virus giving your immune system a leg up or heads up makes a lot of sense in essence all of these vaccines are coding for the business end of c19, the spike protein delivery systems may differ a bit, but it is not something i would be overly concerned about it's your decision and i'd like to assure you that all of the data i'm looking at is very thorough the tools, the science being used in bio-tech now are unbelievably precise and the results are stunning i'd ask as a friend that you thoughtfully weigh your options (esp those currently available) the outcome, regardless of your preference, are very, very similar the only thing i might do differently (and this is minor) is to ask my tech to check for aspiration it's a simple check to make sure you're in the muscle by drawing back a fraction on the plunger that's it, that's all
i'm hearing more and more chatter on he financial channels regarding therapeutics (other than newer vaccines) if i heard them correctly, mostly tablet/pill and nasal spray form the goal is early disruption/interruption of viral replication i heard november and december mentioned hopefully there's something there stay safe peeps better days are coming
Novavax is what I am waiting on. I just hope they release it before they break my doors down, throw me on the ground and jab me with what they want to. I wish I was kidding, but I am dead serious. I think we are done as a free society.
Edit: Oh and as far as therapeutics, preventative measures and treatments go, they will be met with apathy at best, scorn and downright suppression at worst. It is vaccines or the highway, this is not about health.
i'm hearing more and more chatter on he financial channels regarding therapeutics (other than newer vaccines) if i heard them correctly, mostly tablet/pill and nasal spray form the goal is early disruption/interruption of viral replication i heard november and december mentioned hopefully there's something there stay safe peeps better days are coming
We can go back and forth on this forever. If you and everyone else thinks that I am afraid and ignore science y'all couldn't be more wrong given the shit I've been through and put into my body for a couple of years to to stay alive as long as I have. I am alive because I know my body and pay attention to little things and notice changes and do something about it.
Test all you want. Keep a spreadsheet...
The right's (and associated media*) favourite John Hopkins (opinionated) professor, who is not an epidemiologist (surgical oncologist).
The recommendations I've seen still talk about at least 1 shot, preferably 2 after having had COVID earlier.
As of today, 688,178 U.S. citizens have failed to achieve "natural immunity."
*WSJ, Fox, etc.
You know the rest...
P.S.: Has anyone checked if Dr. Makary has any Russian or Chinese connections?
We can go back and forth on this forever. If you and everyone else thinks that I am afraid and ignore science y'all couldn't be more wrong given the shit I've been through and put into my body for a couple of years to to stay alive as long as I have. I am alive because I know my body and pay attention to little things and notice changes and do something about it.
No it was not and is not about mandating just healthcare workers. It is about mandating all workers who work for a company with more than 100 employees, all federal employees regardless of position or type of job along with states and municipalities doing the same thing. And ignoring natural immunity in the process. Meanwhile ignoring all of these mandates at the southern border.
Consider things back on track.
And to address lazy8's concern about testing for natural immunity, there is a test via the link as provided for by sird that he obviously missed earlier. A test I intend to take even though I have been vaccinated for the reasons I mentioned at the time..
It should be a National mandate for everyone as far as as Iâm concerned. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Itâs the quickest path to stemming this outbreak and slowing the future formation of mutations into potentially more serious variations. If you feel your âpersonal rightsâ are being violated⦠tough sh*t⦠you can thank the government later for potentially saving your life from your own ignorance and stupidity. Youâll be pissed but youâll get over it and we can get back to some semblance of normal. BTW there is a good reason that the majority of people dying in hospitals these days are those who are unvaccinated. Itâs because⦠wait for itâ¦. THEY ARE UNVACCINATED.
I wish I was kidding, but I am dead serious. I think we are done as a free society.
