Somehow I thought Libertarians were allowed to call out bullshit and advocate for people making wise choices.

I don't know what is driving the people spreading antivax misinformation but it is a threat to society, particularly here where easing lockdown restrictions is closely tied to meeting vaccination targets.

Somehow I thought Libertarians were allowed to call out bullshit and advocate for people making wise choices.

The facetiousness of your reply is truly beneath you, however people can and do change.  Apparently you are devolving and abandoning your so called Libertarian principles.  You have become a LINO as far as I am concerned.

Have a nice day.

Fear mostly. For some others: being a contrarian has its perks.

Moved from the other thread.

 
Yes, I did choose to get vaccinated, but only after some very careful thought and considerations, especially which one to get.

But only after considering that I am too old to worry about things like long term side affects, infertility and how there might be birth defects to successive generations.  Remember flipper babies ?  You're old enough to.  Yeah, they were my first thought.  If I was under 50 with another 20 to 30 years left to live, I would be hesitant.  If I was under 40, I would be especially hesitant with the thought of unknown generational side affects in addition to fertility.  FWIW, the decline in male sperm count has been falling globally and dramatically over the past 30 years.  One can argue over why, but not that it is not happening.

Furthermore, when Biden said that he speaks for all the vaccinated and says that we are angry with the unvaccinated that is not true.  Yes, I am vaccinated with the considerations mentioned above.  I am not angry with the unvaccinated, for the same reasons above.  It is 100% a personal decision. 

The government does not own our bodies. The government will not be held responsible for anything that goes wrong with the vaccine and the vaccine makers are also totally immunized by laws that prevent any liability claims against them, too.  No one is able to be held accountable for any intended or unintended consequences, well except for employers who are forced to make their employees comply with the government order that the employer must follow.  The employer becomes the liable party.  Are you with me on this still, counselor ?  Do I have anything wrong ?

The nefariousness of this mandate is out in the open for everyone to see, should they wish to.

Lastly, Biden has made it crystal clear that only citizens must be vaccinated by Psaki's admission that they have absolutely no intention of vaccinating any of the illegals coming over the southern border.  That was the direct answer to a direct question.  If public safety was truly behind all of this, the illegals would be vaccinated on the spot, before even beginning processing.  Nope, not even a thought and not even an attempt to deny it.  I find this as a direct insult to my intelligence. 

And as you said yourself, you are not concerned about the safety of these vaccines.  Fine. But just because you say so does not mean that no one else should be worried.  Unless you claim to speak for everyone like Biden does.

I look at it this way, it is reasonable to have concerns about vaccines but it is not reasonable to use those concerns as a reason not to get vaccinated. The risk/benefit is known to be strongly weighted to the benefits of getting vaccinated on both the personal and societal levels that avoiding vaccination is an overwhelmingly bad idea. And I say that as someone who got the Astra Zeneca vaccine that has higher risks than the others commonly available outside China and Russia. 

I don't know what is driving the people spreading antivax misinformation but it is a threat to society, particularly here where easing lockdown restrictions is closely tied to meeting vaccination targets.

So to sum this up: fear vaccines because irrelevant analogies.

Is that fair? Or did I miss something to do with Bill Gates, 5G, George Soros, 9/11, the coverup of Paul McCartney's untimely death, and fluoridated water? 

 So to sum this up: fear vaccines because irrelevant analogies. Is that fair? Or did I miss something to do with Bill Gates, 5G, George Soros, 9/11, the coverup of Paul McCartney's untimely death, and fluoridated water? 

So to sum this up: fear vaccines because irrelevant analogies.

Is that fair? Or did I miss something to do with Bill Gates, 5G, George Soros, 9/11, the coverup of Paul McCartney's untimely death, and fluoridated water? 

Sir Paul dead, or you nuts?

Whatever.  There are what I broadly call three camps.  Those who believe this is only about Public Health.  Those who are not sure about anything anymore and are waiting.  Those who believe that this is an excuse for something else.

The .gov is an HMO.  It tells you that if you want that, you must do this first. 

A PPO lets one pick where you start. 

The Constitution is the framework for a PPO.  The .gov bureaucracy as an HMO is designed to tell you what hoops you need to jump through and creates as many hoops as it can to defend and justify itself.  It looks out for itself, not those it is supposed to serve.  The Constitution allows for independent thinking and decision making within a formal framework that supersedes all else, especially when government tries to get in the way and limit your choices.

Right now the government is telling everyone what they must do.  By hook, crook or decree.  But it is not being implemented universally.  It is discriminating by picking who is exempt.  If it is for public health and safety, then no one should be exempt.

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I found the end of the rainbow!

As with anything that the government touches, follow the money.  It will lead you to answers (where to look for answers) faster than any other method.

As with anything that the government touches, follow the money.  It will lead you to answers (where to look for answers) faster than any other method.

Evolution is an endlessly fascinating phenomenon, but we're witnessing something new: a disease has evolved lobbyists and a PR team. A secondary infection of the mind. This will take a while to clear up.

Evolution is an endlessly fascinating phenomenon, but we're witnessing something new: a disease has evolved lobbyists and a PR team. A secondary infection of the mind. This will take a while to clear up.

You did not address natural immunity at all. I stand by every single word he said evidently you only listened to the parts you wanted to. He nor I am an anti vaxer and there is nothing in his comments that suggest that in the slightest. I question your motivation and desire for seeking to have a discussion that I am not having, these are not the droids you are looking for.