This guy perfectly encapsulates my exact position on this whole pandemic:
He's right, questions deserve answers. They have answers. Antivaxxers just don't like them. "The story keeps changing" and recommendations have shifted over time: correct, the story does keep changing. When a brand new disease arrives people in charge of public health have to figure it out in real time, and they use the disease models they're familiar with. As we (and they) learn better should we stick to the first guess for consistency's sake? I'm not going to defend the CDC's early insistence that all testing go thru it, or the FDA's suppression of rapid test technology. That kind of bureaucratic butt-covering and obstruction isn't unique to the pandemic and I'm glad it was exposed; I just wish that exposure would lead to reform. It won't, but that's a separate complaint. They're not dishonest, they're not incompetent, they're human. And unfortunately the only tools they're familiar with are command and regulation. There is a lot to be criticized about the government's response to covid, but the course of the disease is out of their hands at this point. It's up to us. And we're failing harder than the government ever did. This could all be over, at least in rich counties like the US. It could be reduced to what the conspiracy theorists claimed it was: a bad flu season. The tools are right there, all we need to do is pick them up and use them. But too many of us don't, held back by ignorance and superstition. So it goes on and the death toll mounts.
You did not address natural immunity at all. I stand by every single word he said evidently you only listened to the parts you wanted to. He nor I am an anti vaxer and there is nothing in his comments that suggest that in the slightest. I question your motivation and desire for seeking to have a discussion that I am not having, these are not the droids you are looking for.
I've watched this as well and would use it to explain my POV on all of this as well.
Good luck with your antibody test ! I have long said that it is the most meaningful test and have been trying to get one for a long time. I guess I have not been trying hard enough.
Is this through your doctor or some other outfit ?
There are 2 categories of humans on this planet in regards to covid. Those that have gotten it and those that will. The current vaccine technology allows for us to mitigate the symptoms for those who have yet to acquire it and natural immunity seems to be the only present condition that protects us from getting it again though how robust this immunity is will only be answered with time. I am hopeful that some day maybe we will have a vaccine that actually offers immunity, but these things usually take many years to develop. I am hopeful with Novavax, we shall see. In the meantime, if you are at high risk, get vaccinated. If you are a teenage boy, I would advise against it. If you are a healthy adult, I pray we do not descend into a total authoritarian state and you are able to maintain freedom of choice. In the long run, our reaction and how much the state will gain control of our lives is much more alarming than the perpetual body count.
Edit: Get an antibody test! They will not tell you too, but it is far more relevant to your situation and behavior than a regular test to see if you currently have it. A positive covid test is a good thing, but a negative test only tells you that you do not currently have it and is not very useful information. I have one scheduled for next week and pray it comes out positive.
This guy perfectly encapsulates my exact position on this whole pandemic:
He's right, questions deserve answers. They have answers. Antivaxxers just don't like them. "The story keeps changing" and recommendations have shifted over time: correct, the story does keep changing. When a brand new disease arrives people in charge of public health have to figure it out in real time, and they use the disease models they're familiar with. As we (and they) learn better should we stick to the first guess for consistency's sake? I'm not going to defend the CDC's early insistence that all testing go thru it, or the FDA's suppression of rapid test technology. That kind of bureaucratic butt-covering and obstruction isn't unique to the pandemic and I'm glad it was exposed; I just wish that exposure would lead to reform. It won't, but that's a separate complaint. They're not dishonest, they're not incompetent, they're human. And unfortunately the only tools they're familiar with are command and regulation. There is a lot to be criticized about the government's response to covid, but the course of the disease is out of their hands at this point. It's up to us. And we're failing harder than the government ever did. This could all be over, at least in rich counties like the US. It could be reduced to what the conspiracy theorists claimed it was: a bad flu season. The tools are right there, all we need to do is pick them up and use them. But too many of us don't, held back by ignorance and superstition. So it goes on and the death toll mounts.
You did not address natural immunity at all. I stand by every single word he said evidently you only listened to the parts you wanted to. He nor I am an anti vaxer and there is nothing in his comments that suggest that in the slightest. I question your motivation and desire for seeking to have a discussion that I am not having, these are not the droids you are looking for.
No one can fault those who saw the data when it first came out from a respected and credible source and went with it.
Actually you can fault them (esp. if they are dishonest anti-vaxxers)...
Preprints are preliminary reports of work that have not been
certified by peer review. They should not be relied on to guide clinical
practice or health-related behavior and should not be reported in news
media as established information.
"Went with it" meaning making it appear as though it is established information, as well as making health-related behavioral suggestions ("don't get jabbed").
And even the story itself has had a correction since first published.
Sometimes and somethings should be held for peer review before any release, especially if something profoundly out of the ordinary is concluded.
No one can fault those who saw the data when it first came out from a respected and credible source and went with it. You can close the barn doors after the horse got out, but the horse is still out.
And it is like any other kind of reporting when a retraction is made. No one sees the retraction and the original error stands. Maybe if the retractions started being put on the front page where they belong, like the original story instead of deeply buried, people would be more cautious when they see how common errors are and how many retractions do get made.
They have answers. Antivaxxers just don't like them.
"The story keeps changing" and recommendations have shifted over time: correct, the story does keep changing. When a brand new disease arrives people in charge of public health have to figure it out in real time, and they use the disease models they're familiar with. As we (and they) learn better should we stick to the first guess for consistency's sake?
I'm not going to defend the CDC's early insistence that all testing go thru it, or the FDA's suppression of rapid test technology. That kind of bureaucratic butt-covering and obstruction isn't unique to the pandemic and I'm glad it was exposed; I just wish that exposure would lead to reform. It won't, but that's a separate complaint.
They're not dishonest, they're not incompetent, they're human. And unfortunately the only tools they're familiar with are command and regulation. There is a lot to be criticized about the government's response to covid, but the course of the disease is out of their hands at this point. It's up to us. And we're failing harder than the government ever did.
This could all be over, at least in rich counties like the US. It could be reduced to what the conspiracy theorists claimed it was: a bad flu season. The tools are right there, all we need to do is pick them up and use them. But too many of us don't, held back by ignorance and superstition.
This guy perfectly encapsulates my exact position on this whole pandemic:
He's right, questions deserve answers.
They have answers. Antivaxxers just don't like them.
"The story keeps changing" and recommendations have shifted over time: correct, the story does keep changing. When a brand new disease arrives people in charge of public health have to figure it out in real time, and they use the disease models they're familiar with. As we (and they) learn better should we stick to the first guess for consistency's sake?
I'm not going to defend the CDC's early insistence that all testing go thru it, or the FDA's suppression of rapid test technology. That kind of bureaucratic butt-covering and obstruction isn't unique to the pandemic and I'm glad it was exposed; I just wish that exposure would lead to reform. It won't, but that's a separate complaint.
They're not dishonest, they're not incompetent, they're human. And unfortunately the only tools they're familiar with are command and regulation. There is a lot to be criticized about the government's response to covid, but the course of the disease is out of their hands at this point. It's up to us. And we're failing harder than the government ever did.
This could all be over, at least in rich counties like the US. It could be reduced to what the conspiracy theorists claimed it was: a bad flu season. The tools are right there, all we need to do is pick them up and use them. But too many of us don't, held back by ignorance and superstition.
Multiple Black Lives Matter leaders publicly criticized New Yorkâs vaccine passport program as racist following a violent altercation at a Manhattan restaurant Sept. 16.
The restaurantâs hostess allegedly used racial slurs against three black women and suggested that their vaccination cards were fake, The New York Times reported Saturday.
The New York Police Department (NYPD) charged the three patrons with assault and criminal mischief in relation to the ensuing brawl.
âRestaurants are using vaccine mandates to enforce their racist beliefs and excluding black patrons,â said Hawk Newsome, the co-founder and chairman of Black Lives Matter Greater New York, according to The New York Times.
Sounds to me as if the hostess was racist, not the policy.
Multiple Black Lives Matter leaders publicly criticized New Yorkâs vaccine passport program as racist following a violent altercation at a Manhattan restaurant Sept. 16.
The restaurantâs hostess allegedly used racial slurs against three black women and suggested that their vaccination cards were fake, The New York Times reported Saturday.
The New York Police Department (NYPD) charged the three patrons with assault and criminal mischief in relation to the ensuing brawl.
âRestaurants are using vaccine mandates to enforce their racist beliefs and excluding black patrons,â said Hawk Newsome, the co-founder and chairman of Black Lives Matter Greater New York, according to The New York Times.
Lions Led by Donkeys, 1917 Those who sent unprotected children into classrooms filled with COVID-19 must be remembered for more than their unparalleled capacity for self-pity, inglorious oppression fantasies, and juvenile trolling of public officials.
In the long run, our reaction and how much the state will gain control of our lives is much more alarming than the perpetual body count.
