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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:46pm

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Much as I like Mr. Massie the current definition is more accurate. Even the MMR vaccine (one of the more effective ones, and it also meets the first definition) does not prevent 100% of measles infections; it's about 97% effective.

And maybe you could point out what branch of the CDC Merriam Webster is in? Can't find it in the org chart.

Maybe they should stick to Latin. It's dead too. Though perhaps somewhat limited for propaganda purposes.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:44pm

Oh, great, so go ahead!

Words, what do they mean?

Just do it. 

Whenever you are told to.

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:37pm

 coding_to_music wrote:

These are gene therapies, not Vaccines in the historic use of the term



Much as I like Mr. Massie the current definition is more accurate. Even the MMR vaccine (one of the more effective ones, and it also meets the first definition) does not prevent 100% of measles infections; it's about 97% effective.

And maybe you could point out what branch of the CDC Merriam Webster is in? Can't find it in the org chart.

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:28pm

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More quote mining. "Currently" being Feb. 27 2020. Check today's date.

PS: And as Lazy8 pointed out, check out the context. More misleading pictures from the kook stash...

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:28pm

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You realize that the SEC is the Securities and Exchange Commission, right?

This little snippet is from a financial filing made by Moderna in June of last year describing the financial risks of the R&D effort they were engaged in. Here it is in context:

Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA. Unlike certain gene therapies that irreversibly alter cell DNA and could act as a source of side effects, mRNA-based medicines are designed to not irreversibly change cell DNA; however, side effects observed in gene therapy could negatively impact the perception of mRNA medicines despite the differences in mechanism. In addition, because no product in which mRNA is the primary active ingredient has been approved, the regulatory pathway for approval is uncertain. The number and design of the clinicaltrials and preclinical studies required for the approval of these types of medicines have not been established, may be different from those required for gene therapy products, or may require safety testing like gene therapy products. Moreover, the length of time necessary to complete clinical trials and to submit an application for marketing approval for a final decision by a regulatory authority varies significantly from one pharmaceutical product to the next, and may be difficult to predict.

And you realize that quoting something out of context is dishonest, right?

Of course you do. You've done your research.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:15pm

These are gene therapies, not Vaccines in the historic use of the term





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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:09pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

No, he's not right. Gene therapy would indeed be awesome (can't wait to have my inherited susceptibility to lung cancer edited out) but these vaccines are not gene therapy.




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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 4:08pm


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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 3:47pm

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Joe Rogan is more qualified. pffft

Total sellout. He's taking drugs—from a drug store!
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 3:30pm

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I was going to have emergency bypass surgery for a heart attack, but I want to hear what Russel Brand has to say.


Joe Rogan is more qualified. pffft
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 3:28pm

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But why listen to medical experts when you can listen to brain-dead celebrities telling you what you want to hear...

I was going to have emergency bypass surgery for a heart attack, but I want to hear what Russel Brand has to say.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 2:33pm

 coding_to_music wrote:
Yep

It is a big farce

One of the important implications of the study, these experts say, is that the introduction of vaccines strongly correlates with a greater share of COVID hospital patients having mild or asymptomatic disease. “It’s underreported how well the vaccine makes your life better, how much less sick you are likely to be, and less sick even if hospitalized,” Snyder said. “That’s the gem in this study.”

“People ask me, ‘Why am I getting vaccinated if I just end up in the hospital anyway?’” Griffin said. “But I say, ‘You’ll end up leaving the hospital.’”
But why listen to medical experts when you can listen to brain-dead celebrities telling you what you want to hear...

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 2:10pm

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and gene therapy?  You're right, and it's awesome that we've figured out how to do it. It's going to be a big boon to other disease research. You may someday have your life saved or significantly enhanced by research that started right here. Or you may die a horrible death on a ventilator, choking on your own fluids. Whichever happens, I doubt you'll have learned anything.

No, he's not right. Gene therapy would indeed be awesome (can't wait to have my inherited susceptibility to lung cancer edited out) but these vaccines are not gene therapy.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 1:29pm

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Russia had a coronavirus pandemic starting in the mid 1890's. Death came in 5-7 waves (depending on where you were) over 15 years. Some medical historians claim that this event caused the first Russian revolution in 1905, but military historians control the narrative on this and have mainly blamed defeat in the Russo-Japanese war.


There are many pandemics - and some have sketchy back-stories, perhaps they were used for social control, get everyone scared and compliant. 
If only we had a media that remembered these stories.

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 1:26pm

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Maybe, vaccines will finally succeed to stop THIS pandemic. Maybe they won't. 

The earthly pandemic of homo sapiens will remain, as long everyone wants more, and ever more...
Ever care to look at marine traffic? Concrete counts for 10 % of CO2 emissions. Just to name 2 examples.

It is not easy, hearing the bell toll when listening to the apparently increpit media.

Vaccinations serve a high rate of spread, still (look at Israel e.g.).

Yet, politics don't seem to acknowledge the facts, regardless, where. 

In my country, vacc-certs are the no. 1 'modern' political ingredient now.

When will this horrible irony end?




Yep

It is a big farce

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 1:25pm

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Seriously?  Get some better talking points. This is just nonsense. a)we interfere with all kinds of stuff. I brush my teeth everyday with a paste that I've never read the ingredients to. Is it nature's way to just have our teeth fall out?   

and gene therapy?  You're right, and it's awesome that we've figured out how to do it. It's going to be a big boon to other disease research. You may someday have your life saved or significantly enhanced by research that started right here. Or you may die a horrible death on a ventilator, choking on your own fluids. Whichever happens, I doubt you'll have learned anything.


Your choice

I'm a vegetarian who does yoga and eats right and exercises.

So Tom Brady and his kids must get 70 vaccines, whatever is mandated by the local officials? He has no say in the matter?

Everyone must be injected. Full Stop.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 12:50pm

It's like one of those bingo card drinking games...
And so it came to pass beginning as soon as the vaccines neared approval under an emergency use authorization (EUA) by the FDA that antivaxxers repurposed all their old tropes for COVID-19 vaccines, claiming that they were loaded with “toxins” (the lipid nanoparticles in the mRNA-based vaccines, given that they can’t contain aluminum, don’t you know?); blaming every death reported to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database on vaccines, when VAERS is not designed to determine causation and we would expect a large baseline number of deaths in the time periods covered by random chance alone; claiming that vaccines cause Alzheimer’s and prion disease; blaming the vaccines for cancer; resurrecting the favorite old trope of “shedding” from the vaccinated in the most risible manner possible; invoking evolution to predict the selection of more deadly coronavirus variants that could wipe out humanity; warning that the vaccines can “permanently alter your DNA“; and that they make females infertile. I will admit that there were a couple of new ones, albeit variations on a theme. For instance, because of the new mRNA- and adenovirus-based technologies used to develop the current crop of vaccines, antivaxxers have falsely referred to them as “experimental gene therapy”rather than vaccines, and, because vaccination in the shoulder can lead to transient inflammation of the lymph nodes under the arm, which has led to some unnecessary biopsies after mammography for breast cancer screening, antivaxxers have tried to claim that the vaccines cause breast cancer. So I guess I should say that there’s almost nothing new under the sun.
All the holed up scared little rabbits talk in the exact same way...

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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 12:24pm

 rhahl wrote:
 
Russia had a coronavirus pandemic starting in the mid 1890's. Death came in 5-7 waves (depending on where you were) over 15 years. Some medical historians claim that this event caused the first Russian revolution in 1905, but military historians control the narrative on this and have mainly blamed defeat in the Russo-Japanese war.


? did not know this. Off to waste an hour on russian historical medical trivia now.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 12:23pm

 coding_to_music wrote:


You make a very good point about how the virus every virus evolves to become more contagious but less virulent 
so basically it knows to survive it needs to make itself spreadable so but it doesn't want to make itself so deadly so it becomes weaker but more contagious.

in other words if we do nothing nothing will burn out all by itself.

we however are interfering with nature and giving everybody some kind of a gene therapy or something that's never been used before successfully and then we have to deal with the side effects of the gene therapy treatment.

but if we do nothing, it's a bell-shaped curve it goes up and then it comes down all by itself just like every other pandemic so really we are just interfering by trying to battle it and what it will do is it'll create variants and side effects because that's what leaky vaccines do.



Seriously?  Get some better talking points. This is just nonsense. a)we interfere with all kinds of stuff. I brush my teeth everyday with a paste that I've never read the ingredients to. Is it nature's way to just have our teeth fall out?   

and gene therapy?  You're right, and it's awesome that we've figured out how to do it. It's going to be a big boon to other disease research. You may someday have your life saved or significantly enhanced by research that started right here. Or you may die a horrible death on a ventilator, choking on your own fluids. Whichever happens, I doubt you'll have learned anything.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2021 - 11:11am

 coding_to_music wrote:
You make a very good point about how the virus every virus evolves to become more contagious but less virulent 
..
but if we do nothing, it's a bell-shaped curve it goes up and then it comes down all by itself just like every other pandemic ... 
 
Russia had a coronavirus pandemic starting in the mid 1890's. Death came in 5-7 waves (depending on where you were) over 15 years. Some medical historians claim that this event caused the first Russian revolution in 1905, but military historians control the narrative on this and have mainly blamed defeat in the Russo-Japanese war.
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