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westslope

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Posted: Apr 25, 2021 - 8:16am

Will this pandemic be a wake up call for public health?

Will people finally start to take the obesity-sitting-dementia epidemic seriously?   Will folks, in particular, Americans finally start to question the low-density suburbs model of development?

Will folks finally tackle the myth that it is possible to 'eat' your way to good health?   Is it really OK to be obese and racked with health issues as long as one is 'vegetarian'?  


Or does the promise of papering over everything with uber-strong opioids make all the above unnecessary?  
rhahl

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Posted: Apr 25, 2021 - 7:25am

 miamizsun wrote:

i haven't perused the pdf you linked, however here's an "emotional play" video and link to quite a bit of data 

i think the dosage they're talking about is the same that is used to treat parasitic infections

so much info and so little time

 
Makes me wonder what you think about prophylactic use of vitamins C and D, zinc, and baby aspirin.
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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 4:00pm

 miamizsun wrote:


lot of factors

behavior/religious rituals

poor health/malnutrition

overcrowding/close quarters

lack of vaccine/proper care

i'm sure there are others
{#Meditate}


I think that is overly simplistic. India did unexpectedly well early in the pandemic and all of those factors existed then. So what has changed? My guess is two things, variants and opening up
Isabeau

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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 1:44pm

 westslope wrote:

Agreed.  That is the (tentative) conclusion I came to after reviewing the studies.  The link you provided — Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine — is excellent.

Everybody wants a simple, pop-a-pill, push-button solution; they rarely, if ever, exist. 

As an aside, are any of you reading automobile chat fora about folks running out of motor oil between oil changes and blowing up their engines?  What is going on!?!!  Are modern North Americans too damn lazy to check their motor oil levels once or twice a month?   The GDI engines are more a challenge to maintain but still.....  



We will spend 40 minutes looking for the remote ... while sitting a few feet away from the TV.  


westslope

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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 1:34pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

Because Ivermectin gets bound up with blood proteins you have to use a much much higher dose than recommended to get anything like the levels required for antiviral effectiveness. Lots of studies so far, mostly uncontrolled...which is how we got a lot of anecdotal junk science early on in the pandemic.

Conspiracy theorists just can't let go of the 200 mpg carburetor concept—the idea that there is a simple solution sitting there in plain sight being suppressed by monied interests to promote their own power and profits. Ivermectin is a very good drug for what it is intended for, but appears to be ineffective against covid because of the way the body reacts to it. It is not a silver bullet.

See here for details.

Agreed.  That is the (tentative) conclusion I came to after reviewing the studies.  The link you provided — Ivermectin is the new hydroxychloroquine — is excellent.

Everybody wants a simple, pop-a-pill, push-button solution; they rarely, if ever, exist. 

As an aside, are any of you reading automobile chat fora about folks running out of motor oil between oil changes and blowing up their engines?  What is going on!?!!  Are modern North Americans too damn lazy to check their motor oil levels once or twice a month?   The GDI engines are more a challenge to maintain but still.....  

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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 12:52pm

 miamizsun wrote:

i haven't perused the pdf you linked, however here's an "emotional play" video and link to quite a bit of data 

i think the dosage they're talking about is the same that is used to treat parasitic infections

so much info and so little time


Because Ivermectin gets bound up with blood proteins you have to use a much much higher dose than recommended to get anything like the levels required for antiviral effectiveness. Lots of studies so far, mostly uncontrolled...which is how we got a lot of anecdotal junk science early on in the pandemic.

Conspiracy theorists just can't let go of the 200 mpg carburetor concept—the idea that there is a simple solution sitting there in plain sight being suppressed by monied interests to promote their own power and profits. Ivermectin is a very good drug for what it is intended for, but appears to be ineffective against covid because of the way the body reacts to it. It is not a silver bullet.

See here for details.
westslope

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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 11:36am

 miamizsun wrote:


lot of factors

behavior/religious rituals

poor health/malnutrition

overcrowding/close quarters

lack of vaccine/proper care

i'm sure there are others
{#Meditate}

To add to the list:

Substance abuse, in particular tobacco

Wood and dung burning

Really god awful, horrible air quality even in small towns and villages in rural settings (especially in India)

Poor education attainment, high illiteracy rates

In the case of Brazil, a narcissistic, incompetent political leader who almost makes Donald J. Trump look like a god damn saint.


Sad, tragic.   

Scary to think/ponder that India has nuclear weapons, and is engaged in conflicts over resources with those horrible Muslim peoples.   

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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 8:14am

 rhahl wrote:
I think ivermectin would be useful to take if showing symptoms, if you tested positive, or when a family member is recovering from Covid-19. Also before going into a risky situation like a dental procedure.  The 1% solution meant for injection is stored at room temperature. I have heard of people drinking that in orange juice.
 
i haven't perused the pdf you linked, however here's an "emotional play" video and link to quite a bit of data 

i think the dosage they're talking about is the same that is used to treat parasitic infections

so much info and so little time

rhahl

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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 7:02am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 westslope wrote:

Interesting study Rahl.     Man, all that vocabulary.   What is an 'index case'?  It is patient zero.  

The differences in estimated R0 factors (reproduction coefficient) is large:  ".... 0.3 in ivermectin group and 2.46 in the non-ivermectin group."

If this drug does not require complex refrigeration, it has significant potential to help folks in poor, developing countries many of whom enjoy even less infrastructure than Egypt.



We're talking about a daily dose of something that's traditionally been a one-and-done med, at dosages much higher than typical. Lots of small studies have happened already, NIH is tracking them. Here's a chart of the ones they cite that have them saying it bears more study but needs more study.
 
I think ivermectin would be useful to take if showing symptoms, if you tested positive, or when a family member is recovering from Covid-19. Also before going into a risky situation like a dental procedure.  The 1% solution meant for injection is stored at room temperature. I have heard of people drinking that in orange juice.
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Posted: Apr 24, 2021 - 5:33am

 haresfur wrote:
 cc_rider wrote:

India and Brazil are apparently on the cusp of complete collapse. Lack of medical care/supplies/facilities, and dire food insecurity. A lot more people are going to die.
c.


My heart breaks for them, especially the medical people.
I think one of the lessons from this pandemic is how important it is to control things early. The fewer cases, the fewer chances for mutations.
 

lot of factors

behavior/religious rituals

poor health/malnutrition

overcrowding/close quarters

lack of vaccine/proper care

i'm sure there are others
{#Meditate}
haresfur

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 9:09pm

 cc_rider wrote:

India and Brazil are apparently on the cusp of complete collapse. Lack of medical care/supplies/facilities, and dire food insecurity. A lot more people are going to die.
c.


My heart breaks for them, especially the medical people.
I think one of the lessons from this pandemic is how important it is to control things early. The fewer cases, the fewer chances for mutations.
cc_rider

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 12:21pm

India and Brazil are apparently on the cusp of complete collapse. Lack of medical care/supplies/facilities, and dire food insecurity. A lot more people are going to die.
c.
westslope

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 10:45am

Michelle Goldberg argues in an op-ed piece in the NYT (=> here) that President Biden should keep his electoral promise to remove patents from SARS CoV2 vaccines in order to make them more widely available to folks in poor countries.

She also cites experts who point out that infrastructure, such as refrigeration, will play the major role in preventing many in poor, developing countries from receiving an effective vaccine.

Must admit that I do not like idea of taking away patent protection ex post.  I believe I would rather see the USA donate vaccines and, here comes the expensive part, infrastructure and qualified personnel.   Perhaps qualified and successful pharma-tech vaccine producers could set up branch plant laboratory and manufacturing  facilities in developing countries along with all the required expertise?   No hard opinions here.

Clearly, folks in rich developed countries have vested interested in getting jabs into people in poor, developing countries.   Question is, how do we go about doing it without making vacuous virtue-signalling promises?  
westslope

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 10:34am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:


We're talking about a daily dose of something that's traditionally been a one-and-done med, at dosages much higher than typical. Lots of small studies have happened already, NIH is tracking them. Here's a chart of the ones they cite that have them saying it bears more study but needs more study.


Thanks.   Not great results so far.

So SOC means "system of care"?  Would seem that the SOC treatment varies widely from one study to the next.  
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 10:11am

 westslope wrote:

Interesting study Rahl.     Man, all that vocabulary.   What is an 'index case'?  It is patient zero.  

The differences in estimated R0 factors (reproduction coefficient) is large:  ".... 0.3 in ivermectin group and 2.46 in the non-ivermectin group."

If this drug does not require complex refrigeration, it has significant potential to help folks in poor, developing countries many of whom enjoy even less infrastructure than Egypt.



We're talking about a daily dose of something that's traditionally been a one-and-done med, at dosages much higher than typical. Lots of small studies have happened already, NIH is tracking them. Here's a chart of the ones they cite that have them saying it bears more study but needs more study.
westslope

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 9:47am

Interesting study Rahl.     Man, all that vocabulary.   What is an 'index case'?  It is patient zero.  

The differences in estimated R0 factors (reproduction coefficient) is large:  ".... 0.3 in ivermectin group and 2.46 in the non-ivermectin group."

If this drug does not require complex refrigeration, it has significant potential to help folks in poor, developing countries many of whom enjoy even less infrastructure than Egypt.
rhahl

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Posted: Apr 23, 2021 - 7:58am

 Use of Ivermectin as a Potential Chemoprophylaxis for COVID-19 in Egypt: A Randomised Clinical Trial


Conclusion:   Ivermectin   is   suggested   to   be   a   promising, effective  and  safe  chemoprophylactic  drug  in  management  of COVID-19
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Posted: Apr 22, 2021 - 11:57am


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Posted: Apr 22, 2021 - 3:45am

 islander wrote:
 sirdroseph wrote:
The last 5 minutes I was like yes, thank you Sam!  I am not alone!{#Eek}
 
 


Happy for you that you have found others who share your view. You are actualized now.
 
I wasn't, but now I am having received your blessing.{#Meditate}
islander

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Posted: Apr 21, 2021 - 5:57pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
The last 5 minutes I was like yes, thank you Sam!  I am not alone!
{#Eek}
 
 


Happy for you that you have found others who share your view. You are actualized now.
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