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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 10:32pm

 Steely_D wrote:
That's a pretty common discussion point regarding helmets on motorcyclists and even smokers: your behavior turns into increased health care demands on the public. Should we, therefore, mandate something that is your choice to do/not do simply because of the cost consequences down the road?

That is, your "lung cancer" takes up hospital resources and increases my insurance premium.

(Now substitute other things like "diet" or "sport" and it gets a little trickier...)
 
On the smoking.  About 10 years ago now IIRC, I went and investigated the tax revenue generated by smokers.  Then it was about $100 billion per year.  0% of those taxes collected go towards the medical care of those paying these taxes.  Instead it goes to all kinds of activities unrelated to smoking.  Smokers generate enough tax revenue to pay for all the medical costs associated to with the activity of smoking with plenty left over.  If the taxes collected went to the medical care of smokers, then your insurance premiums would be unaffected, maybe even lowered.

Gasoline taxes are used to benefit the infrastructure used by the gas tax payers.  It should be the same for smokers.

This is just another example of cost shifting and dishonest politics and taxing policies.
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 10:21pm

 Steely_D wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
When you get down to it, as far as being infectious, there is no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. The only real difference is that the vaccinated will likely suffer less than the unvaccinated.

And the unvaccinated die more. I'd say there's a BIG difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. 
 
Agreed. No arguments from me on that point.

I was only directly commenting on what you said earlier.  Addressing the issue of infectiousness, not the mortality rates.  I thought that was your point you were making.

Steely_D wrote:

That's the issue here: you can do what you want - except you're hurting other people if you're infectious. Then it moves from being a personal choice to being something related to living in a society where we look out for each other.
 

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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 5:05pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


FAKE NEWS!


I went to a LOT of trouble to create that.
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 4:52pm

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In Honda's, the dinging stops after about 10 minutes, even in my 2017.  And I did say I will buckle up if asked, didn't I ?

My body, my life. I've already dealt with a very nasty cancer and still do.   I'll live it my way, stupid and as crazy as it might seem to you, but I live for me, not you.

Please go and live it as foolishly as you like… no skin off of my ass.


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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 4:43pm

 Steely_D wrote:

And the unvaccinated die more. I'd say there's a BIG difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.





FAKE NEWS!
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 4:12pm

 kurtster wrote:
When you get down to it, as far as being infectious, there is no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated. The only real difference is that the vaccinated will likely suffer less than the unvaccinated.

And the unvaccinated die more. I'd say there's a BIG difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.



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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 4:07pm

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First off, I'm not telling anyone not to wear a seatbelt and also not to do anything else.
So you are telling us to wear a seatbelt?


 kurtster wrote:


OMG so much wrong stuff here I won't be compelled to quote it.


 kurtster wrote:



We are at the end, not at the beginning or middle. Time to get ready for the next event whatever that will be by getting back to living rather than just existing.


Not sure what you've been doing, but most of us didn't stop. We just adjusted to the situation as we deemed responsible/reasonable. ob-la-di ob-la-da and all. 




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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 3:54pm

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 rgio wrote:

In this particular conversation (and the seat belt one)...that's false.  You're free to do what you feel is necessary, but telling others not to wear a seat belt is reckless.  
And, declining to wear a seat belt doesn't cause others to unwillingly not wear a seat belt. 
That's the issue here: you can do what you want - except you're hurting other people if you're infectious. Then it moves from being a personal choice to being something related to living in a society where we look out for each other.
 
First off, I'm not telling anyone not to wear a seatbelt and also not to do anything else.

On the infectiousness part.  It has been well established that the vaccinated can and do get infected and while infected can also be and usually are infectious and can transmit.  When you get down to it, as far as being infectious, there is no difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated.  The only real difference is that the vaccinated will likely suffer less than the unvaccinated.  This is my understanding of the way things are with CV going forward.

I'm vaccinated.  The rest is chance.  I work with the unfiltered public and touch people as part of it.  Who knows what somebody might be a carrier of walking through the door.  Many other infectious diseases to worry about as well.  So its now just like anything else, again.  Always wash your hands after every encounter and do the best to keep up basic hygiene and nutrition.  I got over it the same as I got over reentering the work place after my transplant having zero immunity to everything.  Didn't wear any masks then either.  Just kept washing my hands, religiously.  You have to get on with life somehow, unless you're unable to deal with being in any kind of public situations.  Then comes in an old psychological disorder called Agoraphobia.  Society has largely become agoraphobic as a result of CV and those fears that come with it are being projected, hence all the hand wringing and paranoia of becoming infected.  Not to mention exploitation and the subsequent reinforcement of those fears.

We are at the end, not at the beginning or middle.  Time to get ready for the next event whatever that will be by getting back to living rather than just existing.
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 3:43pm

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Going back to seat belts: when you refuse to wear them, you increase the risk that you'll be badly hurt in an accident. You also increase the risk that the public will have to pay to pick your body up off the pavement and hopefully save your life. Those public costs exist even when you have auto and health insurance.



That's a pretty common discussion point regarding helmets on motorcyclists and even smokers: your behavior turns into increased health care demands on the public. Should we, therefore, mandate something that is your choice to do/not do simply because of the cost consequences down the road? That is, your "lung cancer" takes up hospital resources and increases my insurance premium. (Now substitute other things like "diet" or "sport" and it gets a little trickier...)
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 3:22pm

 Steely_D wrote:


And, declining to wear a seat belt doesn't cause others to unwillingly not wear a seat belt. 
That's the issue here: you can do what you want - except you're hurting other people if you're infectious. Then it moves from being a personal choice to being something related to living in a society where we look out for each other.


FREEDUMB!!!
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 3:04pm

 Steely_D wrote:


And, declining to wear a seat belt doesn't cause others to unwillingly not wear a seat belt. 
That's the issue here: you can do what you want - except you're hurting other people if you're infectious. Then it moves from being a personal choice to being something related to living in a society where we look out for each other.


Going back to seat belts: when you refuse to wear them, you increase the risk that you'll be badly hurt in an accident. You also increase the risk that the public will have to pay to pick your body up off the pavement and hopefully save your life. Those public costs exist even when you have auto and health insurance.

Those public costs also exist with infectious diseases.
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 2:20pm

 rgio wrote:

In this particular conversation (and the seat belt one)...that's false. 

You're free to do what you feel is necessary, but telling others not to wear a seat belt is reckless.  



And, declining to wear a seat belt doesn't cause others to unwillingly not wear a seat belt. 
That's the issue here: you can do what you want - except you're hurting other people if you're infectious. Then it moves from being a personal choice to being something related to living in a society where we look out for each other.
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 1:12pm

 kurtster wrote:

Besides, shit happens just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Nothing you can do about it.

In this particular conversation (and the seat belt one)...that's false. 

You're free to do what you feel is necessary, but telling others not to wear a seat belt is reckless.  

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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 12:30pm

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Yes, but there is some evidence that it could be beneficial for those over 65 or those immunocompromised.



Yes, that's what i meant, but wasn't clear. Thanks.

Part of the reason no one likes to come around here no more 
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 11:50am

 kcar wrote:


Seat belts: the hallmarks of tyranny, oppression and abject slavery.






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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 11:09am

 kurtster wrote:

In Honda's, the dinging stops after about 10 minutes, even in my 2017.  And I did say I will buckle up if asked, didn't I ?

My body, my life. I've already dealt with a very nasty cancer and still do.   I'll live it my way, stupid and as crazy as it might seem to you, but I live for me, not you.


Seat belts: the hallmarks of tyranny, oppression and abject slavery.


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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 10:52am

 VV wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Well just so you know, I don't wear a seat belt and pretty much never have unless as a passenger in someone else's vehicle and they ask. On the other hand, I don't use a phone while I'm driving either.  Driving is an opportunity to listen to music.

Finally, something you said that makes perfect sense only coming from you. Your f*ck it attitude explains a lot. So I’m also guessing you drive an old junker or have bypassed the “dinging” that is constant in newer cars when you don’t have a seatbelt on in the front seat? I’m guessing that as a passenger you would also let the “dinging” continue indefinitely unless the driver told your ass to buckle up?
 
In Honda's, the dinging stops after about 10 minutes, even in my 2017.  And I did say I will buckle up if asked, didn't I ?

My body, my life. I've already dealt with a very nasty cancer and still do.   I'll live it my way, stupid and as crazy as it might seem to you, but I live for me, not you.
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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 10:33am

 black321 wrote:


To be more specific, per the article and quotes...there is no evidence to support a 3rd shot for those under 65, or weakened immunity. 

Yes, but there is some evidence that it could be beneficial for those over 65 or those immunocompromised.

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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 10:04am

 kurtster wrote:

Well just so you know, I don't wear a seat belt and pretty much never have unless as a passenger in someone else's vehicle and they ask.

On the other hand, I don't use a phone while I'm driving either.  Driving is an opportunity to listen to music.

Finally, something you said that makes perfect sense only coming from you. Your f*ck it attitude explains a lot. So I’m also guessing you drive an old junker or have bypassed the “dinging” that is constant in newer cars when you don’t have a seatbelt on in the front seat? I’m guessing that as a passenger you would also let the “dinging” continue indefinitely unless the driver told your ass to buckle up?


kurtster

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Posted: Apr 5, 2022 - 8:52am

 rgio wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Let me know when there is something new to worry about.

I'm guessing you didn't worry about dying the last time you drove a car...so why bother with a seat belt?  After all, there are hospitals if you get in an accident. Joking and politics aside... is it really so hard to get a booster?  Sure, the strains seem weaker and the therapies are better, but why not err on the side of caution?  For all of the reasons not to worry...633 people died yesterday. 
 
Well just so you know, I don't wear a seat belt and pretty much never have unless as a passenger in someone else's vehicle and they ask.

On the other hand, I don't use a phone while I'm driving either.  Driving is an opportunity to listen to music.

Besides, shit happens just being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  Nothing you can do about it.
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