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Posted: Jul 23, 2020 - 10:00pm



 kurtster wrote:
 

Nancy Pelosi and her choice of words are the least of our problems. Your Great Pumpkin can't run the country to save his life.

The economy is tanking again and the GOP can't put together an economic rescue package. The coronavirus is running rampant in large sections of the country. And Trump is trying to stage "law enforcement" photo-ops against largely peaceful protests to revive his campaign.

You really should try to look at what's going on in the US without your pro-Trump glasses some time. If Obama had been half as incompetent, out-to-lunch and underhanded as Trump has been for the past two years, you'd  be foaming at the mouth and stroking out.


Are you better now than you were four years ago? The key question to every presidential campaign. I'm betting a hard "No" for you, like the rest of the country.


Trump’s ‘Operation Legend’ was supposed to combat crime. It’s produced one arrest, and some see a political stunt.


In no small part because of Trump’s politically charged rhetoric, local activists and officials have come to view with suspicion the more than 200 agents sent to Missouri from the FBI, Drug Enforcement Administration, U.S. Marshals Service and other federal agencies. Some officials said they were not consulted and do not know the precise plans. After the Trump administration announced Wednesday it would increase the federal presence in Chicago and Albuquerque, local officials there greeted the news icily.

Trump, they feared, was either trying to score political points by casting himself as the law-and-order candidate, or putting federal agents on the ground to forcefully crack down on demonstrators, as happened in Portland. And they wondered how useful the federal presence might be. In Kansas City, the initiative has so far produced public charges against one person, even though Attorney General William P. Barr claimed inaccurately on Wednesday, “The FBI went in very strong into Kansas City, and within two weeks, we’ve had 200 arrests.”


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Kansas City Mayor Quinton D. Lucas (D) was among six big-city mayors — including those in Portland, Atlanta, D.C., Seattle and Chicago — who signed a letter to Barr and Wolf this week expressing “deep concern” about the use of federal forces and urging them to withdraw and “agree to no further unilateral deployment in our cities.”

...

Lucas also said he was worried that the deployment was being used by the Trump administration “to distinguish viewpoints on the American city from Vice President Biden, and that’s not helpful for us.”

He said he had little information about how many federal officers had been deployed in the city, which agencies they were from and what cases they would be working on.

...

Lucas, the Kansas City mayor, said he believed FBI, ATF and DEA agents could make a major impact on unsolved cases by helping investigate ballistics and criminal gangs that might be engaged in weapons trafficking, rather than engaging in broad warrant sweeps.

“Those are the types of things that will help us in the long term change the outcome of these cases,” he said. “What we don’t need is, ‘Let’s go and pick up a bunch of people.’ ”


How the federal police in Portland avoid accountability

Homeland Security personnel currently in Oregon’s largest city have eroded scrutiny by obscuring identities, barring the press and failing to press charges.



Inspectors general to examine law enforcement actions at Portland, D.C. protests






Meanwhile, the GOP and the Trump administration cannot agree on the next phase in economic relief for business owners, employees, renters, etc. And the last phase of relief is about to run out.


White House, GOP fail to reach deal on a broad relief legislative package

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And don't forget the best evidence of Trump's incompetence: the coronavirus pandemic that never went away:


Live updates: Trump cancels Republican national convention as U.S. surpasses 4 million coronavirus cases


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Posted: Jul 23, 2020 - 9:11pm

 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

I didn't post it, but I commented on it.  B) kcar even stated in his post that this was Trump's people doing campaign stunts.  He and a lot of other people believe that.

A) I just brought up a relevant quote from Biden is all.  

He represents the other side of this issue.  The side that calls our federal agents like the ones defending the court house in Portland, "Storm Troopers".  A direct quote from Pelosi.

I also call that divisive language that exacerbates the situation.  Pelosi will call out her own federal agents yet refuses to say anything about the peaceful protesters who are tearing the place up.  This is what it is all about.  The coming election.
 

Look, Kurt: I don't need you as my spokesman. Don't spout stuff about what side I'm on or what I think.

 

 
A) Reading comprehension, please.  I was referring to Biden not you.  The pronoun "he" follows Biden's name, not yours. It is not always about you ...

Do you still allow people to say "he" ?

B) The other regarding the first bolded, did I say something false there ?
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Posted: Jul 23, 2020 - 12:59pm

A new Trump campaign ad depicting a police officer being attacked by protesters is actually a 2014 photo of pro-democracy protests in Ukraine

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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 6:05pm

Federal agents retreat to Portland base as protesters control streets
Donald Trump’s shadowy police taskforce has given new life to protests and may not be succeeding in PR terms either
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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 3:35pm

For weeks, city officials who have been the target of much of the ire have been unable to find a way to bring the demonstrations to an end. Now those protesters are giving grief to federal agents who were assigned to maintain calm in the city but have instead watched the number of protesters outside the federal courthouse swell into the thousands.
“The previous two or three years of protest policing in Portland have created a fracture with the community,” Michael German, a former FBI special agent and senior fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice, told The Washington Post. “The more aggression the police gave, the more aggression was returned.”

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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 2:57pm

Breaking news:

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is planning to deploy federal agents to Houston and possibly other Republican-run cities as he continues to assert federal power and use the Department of Homeland Security in unprecedented, politicized ways.




(actually, it's Trump, deploying to Chicago and other Dem cities. Now imagine the outcry from the public if you'd seen that top new during his administration. Why not now?)
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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 1:02pm

Dangerous "anarchists"...
Portland’s Wall of Moms Joined by Dads With Leaf Blowers Against Trump’s Police

kcar

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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 11:52am



 kurtster wrote:

I didn't post it, but I commented on it.   kcar even stated in his post that this was Trump's people doing campaign stunts.  He and a lot of other people believe that.

I just brought up a relevant quote from Biden is all.  

He represents the other side of this issue.  The side that calls our federal agents like the ones defending the court house in Portland, "Storm Troopers".  A direct quote from Pelosi.

I also call that divisive language that exacerbates the situation.  Pelosi will call out her own federal agents yet refuses to say anything about the peaceful protesters who are tearing the place up.  This is what it is all about.  The coming election.
 

Look, Kurt: I don't need you as my spokesman. Don't spout stuff about what side I'm on or what I think.

I  tried to fix an issue with Steely_D's broken link. I didn't check the source of the tweeted video before commenting on it—my bad.

Here's a video clip from a police-protester confrontation in Portland. The protester is a Navy veteran, asking the police why they're not honoring their oath to the Constitution. The police gassed him and broke his hand. Do you think their actions were justified after looking at the video?


https://www.washingtonpost.com...



"Pelosi will call out her own federal agents"

WTF are you talking about? Can you point us to any statement from Pelosi about her intent to do such a thing? Or the law(s) that would give her as Speaker of the House the power to do so?


"kcar even stated in his post that this was Trump's people doing campaign stunts. He and a lot of other people believe that."

AFAICT Oregon's governor and Portland's mayor and the OR AG believe it too.

I wonder whether the paper(s) you read are failing to cover this story...or whether you're just not reading the relevant articles. Here, let me help you. Trump's deployment of federal agents into Portland and elsewhere coincides with a HEAVY rotation of Trump campaign ads emphasizing  the police's use of force against protests and also trying to ratchet up the public's fear of protests.

As Trump Pushes Into Portland, His Campaign Ads Turn Darker

The Trump campaign is spending millions on ads that promote a dark and exaggerated portrayal of Democratic-led cities, a tactic that reinforces his “law and order’’ campaign message.



As President Trump deploys federal agents to Portland, Ore., and threatens to dispatch more to other cities, his re-election campaign is spending millions of dollars on several ominous television ads that promote fear and dovetail with his political message of “law and order.”

The influx of agents in Portland has led to scenes of confrontations and chaos that Mr. Trump and his White House aides have pointed to as they try to burnish a false narrative about Democratic elected officials allowing dangerous protesters to create widespread bedlam.

The Trump campaign is driving home that message with a new ad that tries to tie its dark portrayal of Democratic-led cities to Mr. Trump’s main rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr. — with exaggerated images intended to persuade viewers that lawless anarchy would prevail if Mr. Biden won the presidency. The ad simulates a break-in at the home of an older woman and ends with her being attacked while she waits on hold for a 911 call, as shadowy, dark intruders flicker in the background.

So far, the campaign has spent almost $20 million over the last 20 days on that ad and two other similar ones, more than Mr. Biden has spent on his total television budget in the same time frame, and a relatively large sum for this stage of the race. Though the ads predate the federal actions in Portland, they convey a common theme of lawlessness under
Democratic leadership.

...

The focus of the Trump administration in recent days has been on Portland, where there have been nightly protests for weeks denouncing systemic racism in policing. In the last few days, federal agents from the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Marshals, traveling in unmarked cars, have swooped protesters off the street without explaining why, in some cases detaining them and in other cases letting them go because they were not actually suspects. The protests have increased in size since the arrival of federal officials.

Mr. Trump’s deployment of federal law enforcement is highly unusual: He is acting in spite of local opposition — city leaders are not asking for help — and his actions go beyond emergency steps taken by some past American leaders like President George H.W. Bush, who sent troops to quell Los Angeles in 1992 at the request of California officials.

...

The president has said he might next deploy federal agents to Chicago, and has listed other cities where similar enforcement could take place, including New York but also Philadelphia and Detroit, urban centers in two battleground states. White House officials said the deployments had grown out of meetings among administration officials after protests in Washington, D.C., in late May and early June.

...

Trump administration officials and campaign aides have woven together the protests that began after the killing of George Floyd in May to try to bolster their claim that under Mr. Biden, the police would be “defunded.” While Mr. Biden has walked a careful line and said explicitly that he doesn’t support defunding police departments, the Trump campaign has continued to claim otherwise.

The most recent ad from the Trump campaign, depicting the break-in at a woman’s home, has a singular goal: terrifying the viewer into believing that claim.

The ad’s audio includes a news broadcast that talks about “Seattle’s pledge to defund its police department,” referring to another progressive city with which Mr. Trump has feuded.

The spot hews to Mr. Trump’s long-held preference for messages that promote fear and division, dating to the first ad of his 2016 presidential campaign, which depicted immigrants as criminals. The campaign has already spent nearly $550,000 on its new ad, which was released on Monday.

Describing his opponents as supporting violence while portraying police officers in glowing terms has been a mainstay of Mr. Trump’s public discourse since the late 1980s.

Protests around the country have been largely peaceful, with spikes of  conflict usually arising in clashes with law enforcement. While polls show that a majority of voters support the Black Lives Matter movement, Mr. Trump and some of his advisers are counting on a backlash, so far  nonexistent, with white voters in the fall that will boost the president’s numbers.


...

Of the $24 million the Trump campaign has spent over all on television ads over the past 20 days, roughly $20 million has gone to ads that focus solely on the issue of the police.  About 70 percent of that $20 million has been spent on a singular ad that shows a split screen: One side depicts an empty 911 call center, with an answering service asking callers to select their emergency, and the other displays violent scenes from the protests.

...

Tom Ridge, the former governor of Pennsylvania who was the first person to serve as secretary of Homeland Security, also condemned Mr. Trump’s actions.

”The department was established to protect America from the ever-present threat of global terrorism,” Mr. Ridge, a Republican, told the radio host Michael Smerconish. “It was not established to be the president’s personal militia.”

...

Mr. Ridge said it would be a “cold day in hell” before he would have consented as a governor to what is taking place. “I wish the president would take a more collaborative approach toward fighting this lawlessness than the unilateral approach he’s taken,” he said.



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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 8:16am



 kurtster wrote:

I didn't post it, but I commented on it.   kcar even stated in his post that this was Trump's people doing campaign stunts.  He and a lot of other people believe that.

I just brought up a relevant quote from Biden is all.  

He represents the other side of this issue.  The side that calls our federal agents like the ones defending the court house in Portland, "Storm Troopers".  A direct quote from Pelosi.

I also call that divisive language that exacerbates the situation.  Pelosi will call out her own federal agents yet refuses to say anything about the peaceful protesters who are tearing the place up.  This is what it is all about.  The coming election.
 

Yeah, I see what you're getting at: all the things that can follow with a dubious video like that being posted.  The guy who posted it has a pretty weak explanation and has received a lot of criticism - even from "liberal" news sources.  There are already plenty of things to be outraged about.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 7:44am

 Proclivities wrote:


That video was (irresponsibly and misleadingly) posted by Andy Ostroy - not Joe Biden.  To my knowledge, Biden has not commented on it.  I'm not sure why his name even came up - you may as well have brought up Paul Lynde or Mac Davis.
 
I didn't post it, but I commented on it.   kcar even stated in his post that this was Trump's people doing campaign stunts.  He and a lot of other people believe that.

I just brought up a relevant quote from Biden is all.  

He represents the other side of this issue.  The side that calls our federal agents like the ones defending the court house in Portland, "Storm Troopers".  A direct quote from Pelosi.

I also call that divisive language that exacerbates the situation.  Pelosi will call out her own federal agents yet refuses to say anything about the peaceful protesters who are tearing the place up.  This is what it is all about.  The coming election.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 7:13am



 kurtster wrote:

That is a video from Serbia, not anywhere in the USA.

And a look at all of the commenters who believe it is from the USA is scary, because they believe it is from the USA ... Same as you do and would continue if I did not challenge this.

As usual, facts don't matter, it's the truth that matters ... Joe Biden (paraphrased) ...

And the truth is whatever you and Joe says it is ...

Joe, Joe, Joe !!!!
 

That video was (irresponsibly and misleadingly) posted by Andy Ostroy - not Joe Biden.  To my knowledge, Biden has not commented on it.  I'm not sure why his name even came up - you may as well have brought up Paul Lynde or Mac Davis.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 3:59am

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The video to that tweet is scary as hell. Trump is using federal forces to commit acts of violence as campaign stunts. 
 
That is a video from Serbia, not anywhere in the USA.

And a look at all of the commenters who believe it is from the USA is scary, because they believe it is from the USA ... Same as you do and would continue if I did not challenge this.

As usual, facts don't matter, it's the truth that matters ... Joe Biden (paraphrased) ...

And the truth is whatever you and Joe says it is ...

Joe, Joe, Joe !!!!
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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 3:47am

The video to that tweet is scary as hell. Trump is using federal forces to commit acts of violence as campaign stunts. 

 kcar wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

your link does not work.
 

I think Steely_D meant this Tweet by Andy Ostroy:

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Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 3:44am



 kurtster wrote:

your link does not work.
 

I think Steely_D meant this Tweet by Andy Ostroy:

Posted: Jul 22, 2020 - 12:16am

 Steely_D wrote: 
your link does not work.
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Posted: Jul 20, 2020 - 8:40pm

Now here's a  protest march I can give a thumbs up to!  Live now.



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Posted: Jul 20, 2020 - 10:08am


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Posted: Jul 20, 2020 - 9:46am

Portland police officer, Jakhary Jackson, describes what it has been like to deal with the racist Antifa thugs of Portland


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Posted: Jul 20, 2020 - 6:44am



 buddy wrote:


 Red_Dragon wrote:


 buddy wrote:

You're pathetic just like your extremist far right sources.  As a mere sideshow you're unoriginal & uninteresting. 

I know, I know .... "I'm rubber & you're glue....I know you are but what am I....etc"  

{yawn}

 
Why do you keep engaging with the troll?

 
I'm lonely & have no friends.

 

At least you have a sense of humor.  That is the only thing that keeps a society viable.

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Posted: Jul 19, 2020 - 7:32pm



 buddy wrote:


 KevenKevin wrote:

Now do Seattle!


....and other dribble....


 
You're pathetic just like your extremist far right sources.  As a mere sideshow you're unoriginal & uninteresting. 

I know, I know .... "I'm rubber & you're glue....I know you are but what am I....etc"  

{yawn}

 

Get back to me when you find the courage to condemn whats happening in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, & other antifa black bloc hotspots.
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