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Posted: Jul 23, 2022 - 4:17am

 Steely_D wrote:


That's the plan. "Simply have your ID." But older, less educated, poorer people - especially in the South - are so much more likely to be unable to find corroborating documents so that they can get a recognized ID. If I asked us all to provide your original birth certificate so you could listen to RP, many many of you would be unable, I'd guess.
And there's the issue of refusing to allow vote by mail. So now you've got to take some time from work (can you afford it?) and find transportation to the few official sites and stand there in line. No water, please. 
Since the only objective proof of voter fraud I've seen in the past years has ALL been Republican in nature - and even that is a piddling amount - putting all these voting obstructions in to "prevent voter fraud" is about as honest as the four Supreme Court justices saying they believe Roe is established law. 

Spoiler alert: the GOP has become the party that lies so they can get what they want. 

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.




I remember when the voters chose the elected officials. Now it's the other way around. 
Steely_D

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 11:27pm

 haresfur wrote:


Including making it extremely difficult for people in predominantly minority jurisdictions and people who don't drive to get the "proper ID", I assume.


That's the plan. "Simply have your ID." But older, less educated, poorer people - especially in the South - are so much more likely to be unable to find corroborating documents so that they can get a recognized ID. If I asked us all to provide your original birth certificate so you could listen to RP, many many of you would be unable, I'd guess.
And there's the issue of refusing to allow vote by mail. So now you've got to take some time from work (can you afford it?) and find transportation to the few official sites and stand there in line. No water, please. 
Since the only objective proof of voter fraud I've seen in the past years has ALL been Republican in nature - and even that is a piddling amount - putting all these voting obstructions in to "prevent voter fraud" is about as honest as the four Supreme Court justices saying they believe Roe is established law. 

Spoiler alert: the GOP has become the party that lies so they can get what they want. 

Getting a photo ID so you can vote is easy. Unless you’re poor, black, Latino or elderly.


haresfur

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 10:43pm

 kurtster wrote:

Actually imho, anything that circumvents providing proper I D as a requirement to vote does more to undermine confidence in the voting system than anything else.


Including making it extremely difficult for people in predominantly minority jurisdictions and people who don't drive to get the "proper ID", I assume.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 10:26pm


kurtster

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 9:30pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
 kurtster wrote:
Actually imho, anything that circumvents providing proper I D as a requirement to vote does more to undermine confidence in the voting system than anything else.

Y'know what? You're absolutely right. The voting machines were totally rigged by Big Tech. Rigged so thoroughly that they were able to control the vote count in jurisdictions they weren't even used in. And all those illegal aliens voting exactly as instructed, voting multiple times in counties that don't even exist to vote in! And mail-in ballots...how can you possibly trust ballots that weren't cast in person? Soldiers deployed overseas, people working away from home, old people in convalescent homes...they should just get on a donkey and ride back to the husband's place of birth for something that important, just like Mary & Joseph did. Hell, you can't even get Congress to become suspicious you if you throw a riot in the capitol! Yep, totally rigged. The elites elect who they want, the people be damned. Might as well stay home and mutter to yourself next time.
 
Dude, take a deep breath.  I just spoke about voter identification and nothing else.

How you get all that you mentioned from that is simply amazing.  And you accuse me of hyperbole ... yer knucking futz ...
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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 9:21pm

 kurtster wrote:
Actually imho, anything that circumvents providing proper I D as a requirement to vote does more to undermine confidence in the voting system than anything else.

Y'know what? You're absolutely right. The voting machines were totally rigged by Big Tech. Rigged so thoroughly that they were able to control the vote count in jurisdictions they weren't even used in.

And all those illegal aliens voting exactly as instructed, voting multiple times in counties that don't even exist to vote in!

And mail-in ballots...how can you possibly trust ballots that weren't cast in person? Soldiers deployed overseas, people working away from home, old people in convalescent homes...they should just get on a donkey and ride back to the husband's place of birth for something that important, just like Mary & Joseph did.

Hell, you can't even get Congress to become suspicious you if you throw a riot in the capitol!

Yep, totally rigged. The elites elect who they want, the people be damned.

Might as well stay home and mutter to yourself next time.
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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 9:16pm

 steeler wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Actually imho, anything that circumvents providing proper I D as a requirement to vote does more to undermine confidence in the voting system than anything else.

Not responsive to the question I asked.
 
steeler wrote:
 undermines confidence in the voting system?


 

You had your proffer about what undermines confidence in the voting system and I gave you mine.

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 6:41pm

 kurtster wrote:

Actually imho, anything that circumvents providing proper I D as a requirement to vote does more to undermine confidence in the voting system than anything else.

Not responsive to the question I asked.

kurtster

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 6:36pm

 steeler wrote:
 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, well I guess I'mma just going through the motions and pretending that voting still matters.

Uh-huh. So you would agree that the kind of nonsense being peddled by Sidney Powell, Michael Flynn, and Rudy Giuliani, among others, is detrimental because it unjustifiably undermines confidence in the voting system?
 
Actually imho, anything that circumvents providing proper I D as a requirement to vote does more to undermine confidence in the voting system than anything else.
steeler

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 1:40pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, well I guess I'mma just going through the motions and pretending that voting still matters.

Uh-huh. So you would agree that the kind of nonsense being peddled by Sidney Powell, Michael Flynn, and Rudy Giuliani, among others, is detrimental because it unjustifiably undermines confidence in the voting system?




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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 1:29pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yeah, well I guess I'mma just going through the motions and pretending that voting still matters.



kurtster

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 1:24pm

 steeler wrote:
 How passé. Why bother with that method

when all you have to do is have the vote-counting machines flip the necessary votes with the new and improved Release The Kraken model of the Dominon Chavez Italia Deutschland voting machine?
 
Yeah, well I guess I'mma just going through the motions and pretending that voting still matters.
steeler

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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 12:19pm

 kurtster wrote:

How passé.

Why bother with that method when all you have to do is have the vote-counting machines flip the necessary votes with the new and improved Release The Kraken model of the Dominon Chavez Italia Deutschland voting machine?



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Posted: Jul 22, 2022 - 11:30am

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Posted: Jun 14, 2021 - 12:33am

 Lazy8 wrote:

I read his book On Tyranny and found it eloquent, timely, and maybe a little hyperbolic. This article is just over the top.

It supposes a very involved and fragile chain of events, starting with Republicans taking back both the house and senate; retaining an airtight grip on state legislatures despite losing the popular presidential vote, then overriding that popular vote to send an electoral college delegation bent on electing a Republican; then that house and senate voting to seat those delegates to put him in the white house.

I've officially given up predicting elections, but this is just a rehash of the ever-fashionable prediction that whatever evil bastard from The Other Party is in power will declare a state of emergency and stay in power via martial law. But this one comes with a call to action: we must act now!

...and do what, exactly?

Anybody?


Frankly that's exactly what I think would have happened if the Democrats hadn't retaken the house in 2018.  As far as acting now, I think this probably won't play out because the voter suppression laws will make it unlikely that a Democrat will win the popular vote in eough states to make a difference. 
Lazy8

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Posted: Jun 13, 2021 - 9:39pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
I read his book On Tyranny and found it eloquent, timely, and maybe a little hyperbolic. This article is just over the top.

It supposes a very involved and fragile chain of events, starting with Republicans taking back both the house and senate; retaining an airtight grip on state legislatures despite losing the popular presidential vote, then overriding that popular vote to send an electoral college delegation bent on electing a Republican; then that house and senate voting to seat those delegates to put him in the white house.

I've officially given up predicting elections, but this is just a rehash of the ever-fashionable prediction that whatever evil bastard from The Other Party is in power will declare a state of emergency and stay in power via martial law. But this one comes with a call to action: we must act now!

...and do what, exactly?

Anybody?
Steely_D

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Posted: Jun 13, 2021 - 5:27pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:


I hate The Democratic Party only slightly less than I hate the Rethuglican. I'd love to see the party system abolished.


Except an awful lot of people are still in the "our team is better than yours" mindset, so they have to see that clear division instead of a nuanced discussion of issues and positions.

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Posted: Jun 13, 2021 - 5:20pm

 rhahl wrote:

If the Falsehopeocrats loose the Senate and House, I think it will be by large enough margins that voter suppression will not be responsible.
 
It's like Ralph Nader said in 2000, why should it have to be so close?  Al Gore lost his home state even though Tennessee had sent someone named Gore to Washington for the last fifty years. It was because he picked Lieberman as veep. Then they knew, "He's not one of us."  Dems are not working for us. Being the "inauthentic opposition" is a business.
 
Oh, and Gore actually won, but he mishandled the recount, and then gave up.


I hate The Democratic Party only slightly less than I hate the Rethuglican. I'd love to see the party system abolished.
rhahl

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Posted: Jun 13, 2021 - 3:52pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
If the Falsehopeocrats loose the Senate and House, I think it will be by large enough margins that voter suppression will not be responsible.
 
It's like Ralph Nader said in 2000, why should it have to be so close?  Al Gore lost his home state even though Tennessee had sent someone named Gore to Washington for the last fifty years. It was because he picked Lieberman as veep. Then they knew, "He's not one of us."  Dems are not working for us. Being the "inauthentic opposition" is a business.
 
Oh, and Gore actually won, but he mishandled the recount, and then gave up.
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Posted: Jun 13, 2021 - 2:30pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
You live on a boat.


there is something about being on a boat...(nsfw)

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