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Posted: Mar 23, 2024 - 3:09am

Might not be readily apparent yet, but get ready for pump prices to rise again globally. 

IMO this can be directly attributed to  Mike Johnson holding up vital military aid for Ukraine which has basically forced Ukraine to take matters into its own hands and systematically take out Russia's oil refineries one by one. World gas prices can be expected to rise as a result. 

According to the FT, the US administration asked for Ukraine to cease and desist (fearing higher pump prices in an election year) but it looks like the speaker has squandered all your bargaining power over Ukraine which is facing more dire existential threats. I can't say I blame them.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 5:20pm

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Why do you think it can't be won? 
This war can easily be won, if the west steps up to the plate. Ukraine is being forced to fight with one hand tied behind its back and only using western army surplus and old soviet stocks.  Ukraine has not been given any western planes (bar the odd helicopter), buggar all hardware and is being forced to find its own innovations with drones etc. Moreover, it barely attacks Russian soil and has promised not to use western equipment to attack Russia.
Russia on the other hand, just bombs the shit out of civilian targets and no one gives a damn. Their attrition rate is about three times that of Ukraine, which, I guess, kind of even outs the numbers.

But even without western support, I think Ukraine will win. They are fighting for their life. They are not going to give up. Poland and the Baltics will support them as best they can (not to be sneezed at - I would even think that Poland and the Baltics alone could do the job).
However, I don't think it will get that dire. Slowly Europe is realising that Putin is indeed attacking the very idea of Europe and not just Ukraine and has been for a while.  When that finally sinks in and translates into policy decisions, Russia doesn't have a chance.




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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 2:16pm

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There is perhaps a very fine line between Putin apologists, who argue politically he has a right to invade Ukraine and/or perhaps the west led him to invade by expanding Nato, and those who question a war that seemingly can't be won.  The latter point being, what are we going to accomplish either with the current piecemeal support, leading to a prolonged bludgeoning of both sides, or all out support? Can Ukraine win with either approach against its much stronger aggressor?  Also, I'm not pretending to be smart enough to answer these questions, but I do ask them. 

Why do you think it can't be won? 
This war can easily be won, if the west steps up to the plate. Ukraine is being forced to fight with one hand tied behind its back and only using western army surplus and old soviet stocks.  Ukraine has not been given any western planes (bar the odd helicopter), buggar all hardware and is being forced to find its own innovations with drones etc. Moreover, it barely attacks Russian soil and has promised not to use western equipment to attack Russia.
Russia on the other hand, just bombs the shit out of civilian targets and no one gives a damn. Their attrition rate is about three times that of Ukraine, which, I guess, kind of even outs the numbers.

But even without western support, I think Ukraine will win. They are fighting for their life. They are not going to give up. Poland and the Baltics will support them as best they can (not to be sneezed at - I would even think that Poland and the Baltics alone could do the job).
However, I don't think it will get that dire. Slowly Europe is realising that Putin is indeed attacking the very idea of Europe and not just Ukraine and has been for a while.  When that finally sinks in and translates into policy decisions, Russia doesn't have a chance.


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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 1:57pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:


oops. yep, that's it. thx.



There is perhaps a very fine line between Putin apologists, who argue politically he has a right to invade Ukraine and/or perhaps the west led him to invade by expanding Nato, and those who question a war that seemingly can't be won.  The latter point being, what are we going to accomplish either with the current piecemeal support, leading to a prolonged bludgeoning of both sides, or all out support? Can Ukraine win with either approach against its much stronger aggressor?  Also, I'm not pretending to be smart enough to answer these questions, but I do ask them. 
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 1:13pm

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This is probably it: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-on...


oops. yep, that's it. thx.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 1:04pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

this is the piece I think everyone should read.

The ongoing reality of Russian Imperialism
links to https://radioparadise.com/



This is probably it: https://thecritic.co.uk/the-on...
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 12:29pm

this is the piece I think everyone should read.

The ongoing reality of Russian Imperialism

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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 12:28pm

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No, not of russian ancestry or a putin sympathizer. 
And fully agree with the bold. 



ok, sincere apologies for the error.   
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 12:26pm

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I know.
ok, I don't know, 
but I suspect that you possibly have some Russian in you. So stretching out on a limb and forgive me if I am wildly wrong, but I personally have no problems with a lot of the aspects of Russian culture. I loved reading Russian literature. I see 19C Russian composers as the true legacy of European classical music (ok the Stockhausen crowd might come and beat me up tonight), but I was srsly into Shostakovich for a long time after slowly working my way through the epochs of European classical music. 
I truly, sincerely wish, that Russia would come on board and accept its place in Europe. It belongs there. It does. 

But this imperialistic streak and the very dark, dark places it takes Russia is a sickness. Sorry if that offends. But I can't see it any other way. Germany also went totally off the rails and I know evil it is latent in ALL cultures. I have seen it in NZ which many hold up as a paragon of virtue. We are all human. And that comes with risks attached.

Russia has to renounce its imperialist ambitions and join the global village as an equal member. Nothing more, nothing less. It would be a great addition to the family. 
oh, and pay reparations for the immense suffering it has caused. 


No, not of russian ancestry or a putin sympathizer. 
And fully agree with the bold. 

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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 12:20pm

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because, maybe, the belief is we can't "beat" Russia without fully escalating this situation.
so the best we can do is support a slow bludgeoning of both sides.
either way, its insanity....fighting over some hills. 


I know.
ok, I don't know, 
but I suspect that you possibly have some Russian in you. So stretching out on a limb and forgive me if I am wildly wrong, but I personally have no problems with a lot of the aspects of Russian culture. I loved reading Russian literature. I see 19C Russian composers as the true legacy of European classical music (ok the Stockhausen crowd might come and beat me up tonight), but I was srsly into Shostakovich for a long time after slowly working my way through the epochs of European classical music. 
I truly, sincerely wish, that Russia would come on board and accept its place in Europe. It belongs there. It does. 

But this imperialistic streak and the very dark, dark places it takes Russia is a sickness. Sorry if that offends. But I can't see it any other way. Germany also went totally off the rails and I know evil it is latent in ALL cultures. I have seen it in NZ which many hold up as a paragon of virtue. We are all human. And that comes with risks attached.

Russia has to renounce its imperialist ambitions and join the global village as an equal member. Nothing more, nothing less. It would be a great addition to the family. 
oh, and pay reparations for the immense suffering it has caused. 
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 7:15am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Tweet of the day:

While the West is busy telling Putin what they WONT do, Russia has just started mass production of 3000kg guided bombs that are sufficient to obliterate any European city.
The western world just has no idea what the fuck is happening


because, maybe, the belief is we can't "beat" Russia without fully escalating this situation.
so the best we can do is support a slow bludgeoning of both sides.
either way, its insanity....fighting over some hills. 
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Posted: Mar 22, 2024 - 2:17am

Tweet of the day:

While the West is busy telling Putin what they WONT do, Russia has just started mass production of 3000kg guided bombs that are sufficient to obliterate any European city.
The western world just has no idea what the fuck is happening
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Posted: Mar 20, 2024 - 9:14pm

Worthwhile of the time to watch... far more info on the current situation than what you'll get from SoundByte Legacy Media.


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Posted: Mar 14, 2024 - 10:17pm

@ Beaker

re your comments on people not learning from history, there is a great line in Merz's speech that got mangled a bit in the translation:
"History is a teacher,  not a judge. 
But as a teacher it is very harsh with people who don't do their homework."

edit:  researching this a bit, the original is from Irina Scherbakowa and reads "Die Geschichte lehrt nicht, aber sie bestraft hart für nicht gemachte Hausaufgaben i.e.
"history doesn't teach, but it does punish you for not doing your homework."
Merz got it a bit wrong, but I think I actually prefer his version.
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Posted: Mar 14, 2024 - 10:03pm

finally Europe is getting its act together. Two strong positions from France and Germany. 
(highly recommended viewing) (AI translations)

Macron

Merz (leader of the opposition in Germany)

well, that took two years longer than it had to. But better late than never. 

Today the leaders of the Weimar Triangle meet (France Germany and Poland). This could go two ways: either Scholz buckles and follows the line of Macron and Tusk or he stubbornly keeps to his pro-Putin line of appeasement (most likely).

But if he remains stubborn, I think it is highly likely his ruling coalition crumbles and he will be out of power. 
OTOH, if he buckles, he will be sidelined. 
Either outcome would be most welcome. 
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Posted: Mar 14, 2024 - 9:31am

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ok, on Trump we are world's apart. I am convinced he is selling his own supporters down the river. He knows what sells, so he gives it to them. Deep down he doesn't give a shit because he is physically incapable of it. (yes, you read that right, physically - something is not wired quite right in his edit: brain (- google search says insular cortex - he displays all the signs of malignant NPD ...). This would also explain his coddling up to strong authoritarian leaders, which you have to admit, is just weird.

But we are not world's apart on democracy or Ukraine, or even on the Republican Party. 

tbh, there are a lot of Republicans I would like to see form a credible party (or retake their own party) - not because I support the Republican cause per se,  but because I think democracy needs a strong, cogent opposition. And the U.S. simply does not have that at the moment. They have completely hollowed themselves out and are now beholden to the likes of MTG and Boebert, tossing around lowest common denominator slogans like immigrants, the border, etc. 
IMO, that is just pathetic. These are peripheral issues, not fundamental ones, and they are using them to stoke mass fervour to win an election. 

/threadjack.





(continue threadjack)

I think you both are right.
Trump does hold some policies - low taxes, punish adversaries and trade partners like China (but also Europe), secure borders, limited foreign involvement
But he also shows no loyalty or respect for anyone who works in his administration.

I also would like to commend you two for a civil discussion, despite opposing views...quite refreshing.

For all those who can’t contemplate a trump supporter as being other than the “troglodytes” or buffoons often seen interviewed on left leaning comedy news shows…Beaker’s responses show the reality of how many view Trump. 
The way i see it...some of it is rational and correct, other bits irrational and false…not too different to the mix of Biden supporters. Essentially a lesser of two evils...ends justify the means.


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Posted: Mar 14, 2024 - 8:16am

First signs that the junior coalition partners in Germany have had enough of the SPD's Russian-friendly line and are willing to walk out. Early days yet, but long overdue.
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Posted: Mar 13, 2024 - 11:49am

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Disagree.  From the beginning, Trump has displayed his convictions on a number of topics - the border being one.



ok, on Trump we are world's apart. I am convinced he is selling his own supporters down the river. He knows what sells, so he gives it to them. Deep down he doesn't give a shit because he is physically incapable of it. (yes, you read that right, physically - something is not wired quite right in his edit: brain (- google search says insular cortex - he displays all the signs of malignant NPD ...). This would also explain his coddling up to strong authoritarian leaders, which you have to admit, is just weird.

But we are not world's apart on democracy or Ukraine, or even on the Republican Party. 

tbh, there are a lot of Republicans I would like to see form a credible party (or retake their own party) - not because I support the Republican cause per se,  but because I think democracy needs a strong, cogent opposition. And the U.S. simply does not have that at the moment. They have completely hollowed themselves out and are now beholden to the likes of MTG and Boebert, tossing around lowest common denominator slogans like immigrants, the border, etc. 
IMO, that is just pathetic. These are peripheral issues, not fundamental ones, and they are using them to stoke mass fervour to win an election. 

/threadjack.




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Posted: Mar 13, 2024 - 11:05am

this is getting interesting

There is a top-level meeting between Macron, Scholz and Tusk tomorrow. Somehow I think Scholz is going to double down on his decision not to send Taurus or take any more steps than he already has.  Why? He needs the votes of the pacifists in his party to shore up his performance in the next election (where he almost certain to lose anyway)

But this will mean Germany gets sidelined by the rest of Europe which has slowly recognised the very real threat that Russia now poses to Europe. 
The fact of the matter is that Russia has been preparing for this attack against Europe for years, buying up critical infrastructure, destabilising its politics, infiltrating governing bodies with spies, etc.  and basically Europe hasn't really cared because it thought Russia was a joke (further fuelling Putin's feeling of inferiority and resentment).

Germany getting sidelined for once in the EU is not necessarily a bad thing. And to be honest, after all their cozying up to Russia I think they have lost whatever authority they may have had.
They could earn it back of course, with the right leaders, but Scholz is certainly not one of them.
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Posted: Mar 12, 2024 - 3:06pm

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
We actually agree more than you think.  
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I put Trump into the camp of intellectually challenged narcissists who have found successful strategies for getting ahead in life that work for them. As Steeler said below he is transactional / opportunistic and I think he would choose whatever course it takes to advance his position. He is not fascist out of conviction for the simple fact that he has no conviction. 

Disagree.  From the beginning, Trump has displayed his convictions on a number of topics - the border being one.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Sure, by far the majority of Trump's supporters are not pro-Putin or even remotely fascist. But they are swayed by a certain nationalist sentiment and/or fear of the progressive left which has opened a vein of support that Trump instinctively knows how to exploit.

Disagree.  Swayed?  No.  More like common cause. And it's not a "fear of the progressive left" - more like they recognize the illogical, impractical, and dangerous ideas that so many on the progressive left tout as 'the only way' / 'the better way' - 'the enlightened way that the troglodyte right could nevah see, because troglodyte'.  I'm not the best to articulate the differences between our modern political views - other that what I see as what they both (for simplicity: far right / far left) have in common — significant numbers of pholk who don't understand economics, and little grasp of the realities of the world outside their national borders.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
And I have no doubt that people like Steve Bannon are doing what they can in the background to further some weird program of social disarray (come to think of it, Bannon, with his admiration of Lenin, reminds me a bit of Mussolini and is following a very radical program. Dangerous piece of shit).

Conspiracy theory talk.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Which is why I say being a Trump supporter AND a supporter of Ukraine is logically inconsistent. But hey, we have all been there. 

Your comment suggests a person having this position would be a sufferer of cognitive dissonance.  Disagree. That's far too simplistic an attitude. As I said, I'd have preferred seeing DeSantis win the nomination. I'm sure there are many that think like that. With Trump the all-but-certain nominee, I have no compunction switching my support to Trump - or WHOEVER THE R NOMINEE IS. Because Biden has destroyed so much - from energy security, to the border, to name a couple top-of-mind. Biden HAS to go. And who knows, perhaps DeSantis will be Trump's VP pick.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Personally, my own political affiliation has changed radically since the war in Ukraine. I no longer use a left / right measuring stick to position people on the political spectrum. In fact the left/right thing seems to have become obsolete. WAY more relevant in this day and age is allegiance to democratic institutions and a rules-based order.  So, to take Germany as an example, I could easily draw up a group of politicians from about five different parties that are my heroes and dump a whole lot of others from those very same parties. 

My political views changed on 9/11.  They've been affirmed and strengthened a number of times since. When Putin invaded Crimea in 2014, I already knew what my stance was on that.  When the collective response around the world was a bunch of tersely worded memos, I was disappointed - because we've seen this movie before.  When I learned that multiple countries were next participating in advanced training for Ukrainian troops, I saw that as good.  And when Putin inevitably showed up at Ukraine's door, we knew what was ahead.   My geo-political views haven't changed - perhaps they've only become more rigid.

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
What I fear most are the actors on the left and the right (and even some in the middle) who seem entirely blind to what makes the system tick and are willing to sell it down the river for their own personal gain or merely out of a sense of frustration and impotence.

This we agree on.  I fear the actors on any side who have seemingly failed to learn from the lessons offered by history - even the recent past.  Far too focussed on pleasing a noisy part of the electorate, they opt for the easy way - to go against what Biden is doing.  The same actors easily dismiss the obvious immediate and long term consequences of allowing Putin to ravage Ukraine.   Because they are either unwilling, or incapable of explaining it to their noisy electorate contingent.  

Politics will always be about having disagreements on course of action - - or even disagree on how / if to find a middle.  History is a great teacher, especially from the viewpoint of 20/20 hindsight.  Now if so many would only open their eyes — if conditions are met, history does in fact, repeat.


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ok, long rant. If you got this far, thanks for reading.

apropos:

Russian state TV gloats over Trump blocking aid to Ukraine

This would be the same Russian state TV that was advocating for the use of nuclear weapons (among other atrocities) a year or more ago. They're about as relevant as the MENSA folks on The View.  And Victor Orban has lost his own credibility now - not long ago he was seen as an exciting  populist leader (see the Tucker interview) he's now viewed as an obstructionist (most recently for his long delay in approving Sweden in NATO).  

There will always be plenty of evidence that can be found, that offers support to any given belief.  The Ukraine/Russia war, as seen through at least my eyes, is very much a long-term stance.  We knew the definition of evil before 9/11.  We know what it looks like.  For many of us, we automatically knew our stance when Putin invaded.  And that stance hasn't wavered one iota.  We also know what the end-game paths might be.  Some good, some not very good.

The concern people like me have - is when you have an utter fool & weakling in office (ie Trudeau) - bad decisions will be made using short term optics.  Putin (like Xi) is very likely going to be in office for longer than the leaders of our existing govts - and the next leaders of those govts, in the waiting.  Actions of Putin must be viewed with a long term view - to succeed and benefit future western govts.  This is an attitude and approach that I can only hope that Trump understands. I believe our next leader of Canada - Pierre Poilievre - already does.

Both Putin & Xi understand the weakness of western democracy - it changes its leaders so often!  Putin & Xi take the long term view and wait to strike when they see what they believe is the right opportunity.  Putin, obviously failed miserably to foresee the response to his invasion of Ukraine - he's now in Day 747 of his 3 Day War. 

Thanks for reading if you got this far.

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