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marko86

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 9:08am

You will see so many polls vary, depending on who is doing the polling and how the questions are being asked. You can say there is a plurality that want health care reform and even the public option. this guy breaks down polls pretty well, especially looking at different components.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/health-care-polls-opinion-gap-or.html
kurtster

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 9:06am

 romeotuma wrote:


Did you do the polling?  One can only assume, since you seem to be pulling it out of your assumptions...  I think people should be asked if the priority of health insurance should be to make money for a few millionaires, or to look out for the health of citizens...  I think voters would then be 99% in favor of reform...



 
This is the compilation of all the polls I have seen in the past week.  Roughly 45% to 50% oppose the Bill as written and another 20% to 25% favor doing nothing.  That adds up to 70% to 75% opposed.  That is an overwhelming majority of the population.  To ignore that sentiment is governing against the will of the people.

Having said that, it leaves open that 25% favor the Bill and another 50% believe that something needs to be done, but not what we have on the table presently.  That adds up to 75% in favor of some changes in the status quo.  I include myself in the 50% that agrees that we must do something, but not whats on the table now.

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 9:04am

 kurtster wrote:

Silly, somewhat ...  Bush stole their thunder and tried to outspend the D's.  He tried to beat them at their own game, that was the strategy.  Consider the Medicare Drug bill and other things that have been tradtionally D strongholds.  But the D's always considered Bush an illigitmate President, who stole an election and steadfastly did everything to undermine him everystep of the way, other than passing legislation that had increased spending.  Ironically, the opposition to his spending bills was that they didn't spend enough.
 
Bush got us into a needless, expensive, reputation destroying war. He lied. Over and over. He tortured. He damaged the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. He was not a legitimate president, he was a puppet for the Cheney Admin, Cheney a man who is trying to rewrite history to save his own reputation.

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 8:57am

 hippiechick wrote:

Because I don't think that the general populace understands what the Health Care Bill is about, and they have been influenced by the MSM instead of researching it on their own.
 
I seem to see the LDSM supporting the Health Care Bill or did I miss something.  The only Media with a negative view is the fringes like Fox and Rush, otherwise I see nothing but support for Obama and his push to get the Bill through in the MSM

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 8:54am

 marko86 wrote:


That is extremely silly thing to say. With the exception a few minor things, they pretty much rubber-stamped everything Bush wanted for the 1st 6 years. It makes one wonder, since repubs are able to block as much as they do now, why they didn't have any balls at all to make a stand on some issues. Most of it had to do with the fear of appearing weak on terrorism, I suppose. I have no respect for the right wing and what they are doing, but I am fast losing respect for Dems, who have not shown any resolve for doing anything. Bank reform/regulation is one subject that is really pissing me off these days. The further removed from the crisis, the more special interests money buys what they want,, and that is from either party.

 
Silly, somewhat ...  Bush stole their thunder and tried to outspend the D's.  He tried to beat them at their own game, that was the strategy.  Consider the Medicare Drug bill and other things that have been tradtionally D strongholds.  But the D's always considered Bush an illigitmate President, who stole an election and steadfastly did everything to undermine him everystep of the way, other than passing legislation that had increased spending.  Ironically, the opposition to his spending bills was that they didn't spend enough.

hippiechick

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 8:53am

 kurtster wrote:

So why is the Health Care bill being pushed inspite of the fact that 75% of the country either opposes the bill as written or favors no action at all ?
 
Because I don't think that the general populace understands what the Health Care Bill is about, and they have been influenced by the MSM instead of researching it on their own.

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 8:49am

 hippiechick wrote:

What, are you kidding me? Give me one example of the Dems obstructing Bush for their own interest.

Putting your own interests before the interests of the people you work for is not what you get paid for.
 
So why is the Health Care bill being pushed inspite of the fact that 75% of the country either opposes the bill as written or favors no action at all ?

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 8:41am

Q:  What does it take to convert a Libertarian to a Republican?
A:  A polling booth.
HazzeSwede

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 7:09am

 hippiechick wrote:

{#High-five}
 
  Currently we have a police chief waiting for trial for all sorts of sex crimes including being a {#Devil_pimp}  !!
  One RED CROSS CEO,,took a couple of MILLIONS for himself,,,
  Politicians buying votes,,
  List goes on and on and on,,,,{#Yes}


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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 6:54am

 HazzeSwede wrote:

  That should be posted in many offices !!{#Yes}

 
{#High-five}

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 6:53am

 hippiechick wrote:

Putting your own interests before the interests of the people you work for is not what you get paid for.
 
  That should be posted in many offices !!{#Yes}
marko86

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 6:51am

 kurtster wrote:

So what is wrong with that ?  The Dems spent 8 years being obstructionist to Bush.  Its how things are done.
 

That is extremely silly thing to say. With the exception a few minor things, they pretty much rubber-stamped everything Bush wanted for the 1st 6 years. It makes one wonder, since repubs are able to block as much as they do now, why they didn't have any balls at all to make a stand on some issues. Most of it had to do with the fear of appearing weak on terrorism, I suppose. I have no respect for the right wing and what they are doing, but I am fast losing respect for Dems, who have not shown any resolve for doing anything. Bank reform/regulation is one subject that is really pissing me off these days. The further removed from the crisis, the more special interests money buys what they want,, and that is from either party.
hippiechick

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 6:43am

 kurtster wrote:

So what is wrong with that ?  The Dems spent 8 years being obstructionist to Bush.  Its how things are done.
 
What, are you kidding me? Give me one example of the Dems obstructing Bush for their own interest.

Putting your own interests before the interests of the people you work for is not what you get paid for.

kurtster

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 6:40am

 hippiechick wrote:

Cmon! Ron Paul was at CPAC. And a Democratic government has nothing to do with those other things. Get real!

While both sides of Congress are full of shit, I didn't hear anything at the Health Care Summit yesterday that gave any sign the the Republicans even has a health care plan. It;s pretty obvious that the only goal of the Republicans is to take down the President and gain seats in November.


 
So what is wrong with that ?  The Dems spent 8 years being obstructionist to Bush.  Its how things are done.

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 6:16am

 miamizsun wrote:
Just for the record, and I my have posted this before, the title of this thread has implied associations that just aren't true.

For instance if we started a thread titled "The Marxist/Democratic/Socialist/Communist Party" I'm sure that someone would point that out.

I'm just sayin'....{#Biggrin}
 
Cmon! Ron Paul was at CPAC. And a Democratic government has nothing to do with those other things. Get real!

While both sides of Congress are full of shit, I didn't hear anything at the Health Care Summit yesterday that gave any sign the the Republicans even has a health care plan. It;s pretty obvious that the only goal of the Republicans is to take down the President and gain seats in November.

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Posted: Feb 26, 2010 - 5:12am

Just for the record, and I my have posted this before, the title of this thread has implied associations that just aren't true.

For instance if we started a thread titled "The Marxist/Democratic/Socialist/Communist Party" I'm sure that someone would point that out.

I'm just sayin'....{#Biggrin}

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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 9:03pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Obstructing? How deep is the sand you find your head in? Obstructing? How many votes beyond those needed to pass ANYTHING, do Democrats need? Such a silly notion...obstructionism? By a Party that is in the distinct minority? Silliness...

 
The Republicans have broken the record on filibusters this past 2 years. If you were'nt such a low info voter you'd know that.

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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 9:00pm

 fuh2 wrote:

Why do you think the Republicans have been obstructing the Dems on everything? They know EXACTLY what they're doing. If the Dems fail to do anything especially health care they will be ruined. PR pro Frank Luntz  sends out daily propaganda talking points how the Republicans should be messaging everything. They all follow his orders. And it is working.
They block vote no on anything the Dems want to do. Its quite orchestrated. They figure if they can get a lot of Independents so frustrated and confused that they will want new blood in there like Brown of Mass. who CLAIMS he's independent but is very conservative. That's the RepublicAN STRATEGY. Obstruction, demonizing propaganda, confusion and frustration  of the Independents. 

 

Obstructing? How deep is the sand you find your head in? Obstructing? How many votes beyond those needed to pass ANYTHING, do Democrats need? Such a silly notion...obstructionism? By a Party that is in the distinct minority? Silliness...
fuh2

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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 8:44pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Not even close to the mark. The only reason Republicans might, and that is an unqualified might as the First Tuesday in November is, in political time, light years away, is owed to growing dissatisfaction with Democrats. It was just a few moons back when Republicans were shown the door and kicked hard on the way out.

 
Why do you think the Republicans have been obstructing the Dems on everything? They know EXACTLY what they're doing. If the Dems fail to do anything especially health care they will be ruined. PR pro Frank Luntz  sends out daily propaganda talking points how the Republicans should be messaging everything. They all follow his orders. And it is working.
They block vote no on anything the Dems want to do. Its quite orchestrated. They figure if they can get a lot of Independents so frustrated and confused that they will want new blood in there like Brown of Mass. who CLAIMS he's independent but is very conservative. That's the RepublicAN STRATEGY. Obstruction, demonizing propaganda, confusion and frustration  of the Independents. 
musik_knut

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Posted: Feb 25, 2010 - 8:17pm

 fuh2 wrote:

This is a clever Republican strategy to get power back. They want to convince the  "low information voters" and big gubmint haters to get rid of ALL "da bums".  Since Dems are in the majority this would probably benefit the Republicans, like they found out in Massachusetts.  

 

Not even close to the mark. The only reason Republicans might, and that is an unqualified might as the First Tuesday in November is, in political time, light years away, is owed to growing dissatisfaction with Democrats. It was just a few moons back when Republicans were shown the door and kicked hard on the way out and that was not because of genius or cleverness on the part of Democrats.


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