Good points. However, I doubt that with high incidents of sexual assault that drafting women into the military will succeed. In essence, its one thing to sentence young men to possible maiming and death, but to add rampant sexual abuse of women, would not be acceptable to most Americans. Forcing women into potential sexual abuse and in some cases, forcing them to give birth, in addition to facing combat, is a set of of cruelty beyond serving one's country.
Agreed. Likely no draft and if we are attacked, we're scrood.
Yes, this topic is unfun and uncomfortable, gentlemen. Just imagine for a moment, how all of you would feel if we were suddenly bombed by Putin or XI and the government had no choice but to reinstate conscription. Our Troop levels demand a draft because we do not have the feet to fill the boots on the ground. All of You would HOWL to the moon and back. This forum would explode with emotion. We all knew Trump couldn't happen either. Matt Gaetz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Gym Jordan, Paul Gosar, et al, will be more than happy to vote for the draft. After all, they're just gambling with ideology ... and someone else's lives.
Interesting. I used to argue for bringing back the draft as a way to get people to pay attention to what was going on in the world because theoretically they would have skin in the game. haven't made this argument for probably about 5 years or so.
And even more interesting is that only men were drafted. Talk about having no control over your own body based upon your sex ! The draft finally got somewhat leveled out with the implementation of the lottery based upon your DOB.
So we have a draft again. How many men are going to say you can't draft me because I am a woman ? How far would that have taken you in the original draft ? Not very ...
With our new woke world, we would have to draft all sexes, equally. Men women and all the new variables. One woman and one whatever for every one man. You still with me ?
Then we would have to make special accommodations for all of the variables and their special needs. How would this work in a system designed to break things by brute force using people to do it, against their will ? Once in the military, the government owns you and has complete control over your body, or that is how it used to be. There were problems with mandatory vaccinations going back to Nam. Refuse, you got thrown in the brig. And a dishonorable to go with it. Today, you get a general, IIRC and lose all benefits that you may have accrued to date with your service to that point. In fact, they are now going after the signing bonuses made to those who were discharged for refusing the Covid vaccination, even though the mandate for experimental drugs has since been lifted, somewhat.
So, we can worry about a lot of things, but a new draft ain't one of them. Unless you know someway to make it work in today's world. So when Putin or Xi come after us, we are screwed. Ain't no one going to show up to fight.
Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute).
To our Government, that value depreciates.
In my esoteric way I spoke to somewhat parallel thinking. It's sort of a coping mechanism I developed along the way to tragedy. It seems to cover some bases, even if unarticulated on its merit. All part of a greater reckoning I suppose. Anyhow I jacked a thread where my arguments probably won't bear much fruit. Point being, the next moment is a precious moment to everyone. Seeing is believing. The rest is chaff...
Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute).
To our Government, that value depreciates. Lack of assistance to parents for child care, tax benefits, family leave... conservatives are consistent in loving 'life' while in the womb, but outside its open season with semi automatic weapons.
Curious as to why this forum thread was titled Abortion WARS. Interesting blend of terms.
Yes, this topic is unfun and uncomfortable, gentlemen. Just imagine for a moment, how all of you would feel if we were suddenly bombed by Putin or XI and the government had no choice but to reinstate conscription. Our Troop levels demand a draft because we do not have the feet to fill the boots on the ground. All of You would HOWL to the moon and back. This forum would explode with emotion.
We all knew Trump couldn't happen either. Matt Gaetz, Majorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Gym Jordan, Paul Gosar, et al, will be more than happy to vote for the draft. After all, they're just gambling with ideology ... and someone else's lives.
The fundamental right to dismiss SELECTIVE MORALITY and Spectral Evidence. As long as this country values war and weapons over the health of its citizens, it is NOT 'pro' Life.
It is Forced Birth.
Having a child in the United States is parallel to purchasing a new car. As soon as that 'baby' is driven off the lot; it's value immediately depreciates.
Unless you love them enough to make that point moot (mute).
The fundamental right to dismiss SELECTIVE MORALITY and Spectral Evidence!
As long as this country values war and weapons over the health of its citizens, it is NOT 'pro' Life.
Having a child in the United States is parallel to purchasing a new car. As soon as that 'baby' is driven off the lot; it's value immediately depreciates.
Seems you're lying to yourself as your media prompt you to keep going. Otherwise, it'd be hard to stand, I suppose.
What's "falling apart" in your eyes has never been there, me tends to think, radically.
You don't look very radical to me, more like confused.
@RBReich : Thanks to the filibuster, 41 Senate Republicans representing just 21% of the country are blocking abortion rights, clean energy, health care, and basic investments supported by the vast majority of Americans. This is not how democracy is supposed to work.
Seriously that post makes no sense. Youâre just mad, bro. Enjoy.
While I might be somewhat off-topic... really? - So, tell us, what is it the world needs from America right now? It shouldn't be hard for you to tell, as you are such a superior MAGA nation, of course...
My madness seems to serve me, as the days of Coca-Cola and Rock'n'Roll have gone by.
So, what will be next from your beloved ministry of democratic marketing? - Will it be "Duck And Cover", again?
Meanwhile... to call you back to reality: Have you had an abortion? The border guard in California asks the Australian woman on her way to Canada during the stopover.
California! Not Alabama!
Seems you're lying to yourself as your media prompt you to keep going. Otherwise, it'd be hard to stand, I suppose.
What's "falling apart" in your eyes has never been there, me tends to think, radically.
Seriously that post makes no sense. Youâre just mad, bro. Enjoy.
This has got nothing to do with most Americans, so your screed is nonsense.
There are some Americans who are against abortion or whatever, and their strategies have included infiltrating positions of power to change/create/rescind laws allowing abortion that most people want.
This doesnât mean that society isnât free, or that itâs now âa bunchâ of fundamentalists (a vague term at best). It does mean that there are that sort of people - a minority - who did a dance around the complacent, and fooled the naive, and managed to pull some levers that they hope will force others into doing what they want.
That requires action. All the folks who feel differently need to recognize their numbers, protest and vote and say out loud what they believe in so the minority opinion doesnât control the nation. But your Chicken Little garment-rending about how itâs all falling apartâ¦well, it just means you need to go decaf.
Seems you're lying to yourself as your media prompt you to keep going. Otherwise, it'd be hard to stand, I suppose.
What's "falling apart" in your eyes has never been there, me tends to think, radically.
... and please, spare me comments starting with, "This has got nothing to do with X, Y, Z."
Umrika is shapeshifting herself, far too quickly for that one, and Umrikans (most likely) haven't begun noticing this yet, as ever-proud they were born to save the world from anything undemocratic by implying very undemocratic means to other nations.
The question of abortion can only arise in a free society. Umrika has successfully shown, they are not that. Instead, they are made to be a bunch of fundamentalists, with true monetary and power intentions hidden behind a religious veil.
This has got nothing to do with most Americans, so your screed is nonsense.
There are some Americans who are against abortion or whatever, and their strategies have included infiltrating positions of power to change/create/rescind laws allowing abortion that most people want.
This doesnât mean that society isnât free, or that itâs now âa bunchâ of fundamentalists (a vague term at best). It does mean that there are that sort of people - a minority - who did a dance around the complacent, and fooled the naive, and managed to pull some levers that they hope will force others into doing what they want.
That requires action. All the folks who feel differently need to recognize their numbers, protest and vote and say out loud what they believe in so the minority opinion doesnât control the nation. But your Chicken Little garment-rending about how itâs all falling apartâ¦well, it just means you need to go decaf.
