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Posted: Mar 22, 2018 - 11:13am

 cc_rider wrote:

A similar case involved a guy collecting rainwater. Not just rain coming off his roof or whatever: he had dug channels and diverted runoff water, which affected his neighbors.

The EPA has been known to be heavy-handed, no doubt. But there are limits to what property owners are allowed to do. Scott's example is a valid one: hog farmers have been known to use just that technique.
c.

 

I for one welcome my neighbor's hog effluvia, sir! 


young boy trying to ride pig and falling into dirt 


Add a little "water" and you've got a great slip-and-slide for the whole family! 
 
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Posted: Mar 22, 2018 - 10:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

I don't really have an opinion on this because it's a problem for some people and a needed regulation in other cases. But as usual, you're refusing to see the gray. 

I couldn't outlast the first 30 seconds of the video but the point is that water in a ditch comes from somewhere, and typically goes somewhere too. If they've diverted a stream into a ditch so that its travel across their property is more manageable, it's still a stream. Lazy, et al, have more working knowledge of how that all works, but there are a lot of reasons to be uncomfortable with someone, say, diverting various effluvia from their farm operation into that dry ditch for 9 months out of the year, then letting the spring runoff take it away.

 
A similar case involved a guy collecting rainwater. Not just rain coming off his roof or whatever: he had dug channels and diverted runoff water, which affected his neighbors.

The EPA has been known to be heavy-handed, no doubt. But there are limits to what property owners are allowed to do. Scott's example is a valid one: hog farmers have been known to use just that technique.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2018 - 10:25am

 kcar wrote:

I haven't followed this matter and I haven't watched the video, but if this is on anyone's radar as a significant Trump achievement, it points more towards Trump's incompetence than anything else. This is Jimmy-Carter-micro-managing stuff.

 
Bingo!
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Posted: Mar 22, 2018 - 10:12am

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Its about how that dry ditch is defined as a national waterway and subject to EPA / government regulations that limit activities on adjacent land because those activities may harm that ditch.  Its a direct violation of personal property rights among many other things.  Its one of the best examples of EPA over reach and over regulation.

That dry ditch is defined as a navigable water way for the purpose of establishing the right to regulate it and all activities adjacent to that "navigable" water way.  Hence the canoe in the dry ditch.
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the Waters of the United States rule, which defines all bodies of water that fall under U.S. federal jurisdiction.

 
I don't really have an opinion on this because it's a problem for some people and a needed regulation in other cases. But as usual, you're refusing to see the gray. 

I couldn't outlast the first 30 seconds of the video but the point is that water in a ditch comes from somewhere, and typically goes somewhere too. If they've diverted a stream into a ditch so that its travel across their property is more manageable, it's still a stream. Lazy, et al, have more working knowledge of how that all works, but there are a lot of reasons to be uncomfortable with someone, say, diverting various effluvia from their farm operation into that dry ditch for 9 months out of the year, then letting the spring runoff take it away.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2018 - 9:55am

 kurtster wrote:

Its about how that dry ditch is defined as a national waterway and subject to EPA / government regulations that limit activities on adjacent land because those activities may harm that ditch.  Its a direct violation of personal property rights among many other things.  Its one of the best examples of EPA over reach and over regulation.

That dry ditch is defined as a navigable water way for the purpose of establishing the right to regulate it and all activities adjacent to that "navigable" water way.  Hence the canoe in the dry ditch.
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the Waters of the United States rule, which defines all bodies of water that fall under U.S. federal jurisdiction.

 


I haven't followed this matter and I haven't watched the video, but if this is on anyone's radar as a significant Trump achievement, it points more towards Trump's incompetence than anything else. This is Jimmy-Carter-micro-managing stuff.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2018 - 8:49am

Yet another flees the dumpster fire...
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 6:45pm

 R_P wrote: 
But... that sounds like obstruction of justice!
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 6:03pm

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Bears repeating...


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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 4:45pm

All this probing can't be healthy...
FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, fired by Jeff Sessions, led probe into Sessions
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 4:36pm

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Well that's one of the funniest but painful to listen to video's I've ever watched. Nothing like a well-reasoned argument, eh? I can't even tell what they are pissed off about - there's no water in our ditch so we don't want water regulated???

 
Its about how that dry ditch is defined as a national waterway and subject to EPA / government regulations that limit activities on adjacent land because those activities may harm that ditch.  Its a direct violation of personal property rights among many other things.  Its one of the best examples of EPA over reach and over regulation.

That dry ditch is defined as a navigable water way for the purpose of establishing the right to regulate it and all activities adjacent to that "navigable" water way.  Hence the canoe in the dry ditch.
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the Waters of the United States rule, which defines all bodies of water that fall under U.S. federal jurisdiction.


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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 4:07pm

 kurtster wrote:

Here's a big accomplishment.  One of the little big things.

He did get the Rule ditched. 

A big win for farmers and private property owners in general.

You probably are for it though and consider it a reprehensible action on Trump's part.
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Well that's one of the funniest but painful to listen to video's I've ever watched. Nothing like a well-reasoned argument, eh? I can't even tell what they are pissed off about - there's no water in our ditch so we don't want water regulated???
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 3:56pm

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Really? Ditch regulations? He came through on ditch regulations? That's your example of a big accomplishment? Just how deep did you dig to go find that one?
 
If I were you, I wouldn't open up the can of stink that Trump and Scott Pruitt have turned the EPA into. But hey, who cares what kind of world we will leave to future generations let's roll back environmental regulations and ignore global warming. China made it up anyway. We'll all be dead and buried well before any of this sh*t hits the fan... right? F*ck it, I'm on board with ya. I've never been a big fan of animals and trees anyway. Clean air? Overrated.

67 Environmental Rules on the Way Out Under Trump

But it'll give you an edge over the competition...
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 3:50pm

 VV wrote:

Really? Ditch regulations? He came through on ditch regulations? That's your example of a big accomplishment? Just how deep did you dig to go find that one?
 
If I were you, I wouldn't open up the can of stink that Trump and Scott Pruitt have turned the EPA into. But hey, who cares what kind of world we will leave to future generations let's roll back environmental regulations and ignore global warming. China made it up anyway. We'll all be dead and buried well before any of this sh*t hits the fan... right? F*ck it, I'm on board with ya.   

 
Been posting about this for a couple of years. 

Yeah, the EPA and its over reach. 

Another reason I voted for Trump.

Another promise kept.
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 3:46pm

 kurtster wrote:

Here's a big accomplishment.  One of the little big things.

He did get the Rule ditched. 

A big win for farmers and private property owners in general.

You probably are for it though and consider it a reprehensible action on Trump's part.
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Really? Ditch regulations? He came through on ditch regulations? That's your example of a big accomplishment? Just how deep did you dig to go find that one?
 
If I were you, I wouldn't open up the can of stink that Trump and Scott Pruitt have turned the EPA into. But hey, who cares what kind of world we will leave to future generations let's roll back environmental regulations and ignore global warming. China made it up anyway. We'll all be dead and buried well before any of this sh*t hits the fan... right? F*ck it, I'm on board with ya. I've never been a big fan of animals and trees anyway. Clean air? Overrated.   


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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 3:30pm

 VV wrote:

My source is Trump.

On your second point... I'm still waiting, as is everyone else.

Thanks for checking...
 
Here's a big accomplishment.  One of the little big things.

He did get the Rule ditched. 

A big win for farmers and private property owners in general.

You probably are for it though and consider it a reprehensible action on Trump's part.
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 2:10pm


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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 1:00pm

Who has the biggest coulda, woulda, shoulda have beaten the crap out of someone else.

What is this, the planet of the apes?
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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 12:44pm

 Beaker wrote:

And your unimpeachable source for this is ... what exactly?

In your *opinion*, is there anything at all positive that Trump has accomplished ?   Just checking.
 
My source is Trump.

On your second point... I'm still waiting, as is everyone else.

Thanks for checking...

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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 11:29am

 Beaker wrote:

I think it's part of Trump's negotiation & relationship building strategy.  No point in pissing the guy off before they even meet for the first time.  Why close a door when there's so much that might be accomplished through cooperation?
Putin told Trump that "a constructive Russian-American dialogue is especially needed to strengthen strategic stability in the world."  

 
The point is that Trump has no strategy.
 
Developing a strategy would involve conferring with his advisors, pouring over intelligence briefs, becoming as intimately knowledgeable as can be about past and recent history with the person and country you are going to negotiate with. A negotiating strategy would imply practicing responses to issues that may come up as well as finding ways to bring up certain difficult issues within a negotiation and knowing when to do so. A negotiation involves establishing a path to an agreed upon ideal outcome or a compromise outcome. A negotiation is a chess game that (to be successful) you need to practice in advance to anticipate the moves of your counterpart so that you are well-prepared for the actual event.

Does any of this sound like it plays to Trump’s strengths? He doesn't consistently read security briefs and considers preparation unnecessary. He says he "knows everything" and considers himself as his own best advisor and rolls with his gut instincts in every situation. Trump has yet to display the intelligence and preparation that would be necessary to tackle any significant negotiation. 

Tell me... just how happy would you be if you hired a lawyer to represent you and he told you he didn't need to consult with any experts and his plan was to just wing-it before the trial started?

Let's not kid ourselves. With the ouster of some of the more level-headed people in Trump's cabinet... this is the perfect recipe for more disasters to come.


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Posted: Mar 21, 2018 - 11:03am

 Beaker wrote:

I think it's part of Trump's negotiation & relationship building strategy.  No point in pissing the guy off before they even meet for the first time.  Why close a door when there's so much that might be accomplished through cooperation?
Putin told Trump that "a constructive Russian-American dialogue is especially needed to strengthen strategic stability in the world."  

 
Or he might try the exact opposite approach. See Kim Jong Un, AKA Little Rocket Man.


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