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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 3:52pm

 buddy wrote:

Does that include Muslims at the the front door?  Who's working the door?

Just wonderin'...... 

 
Does anyone have a right to be admitted to this country ?  
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 3:04pm

 miamizsun wrote:
is the fix in?

Go ahead, Donald, get 1,237; it won't matter: RNC delegate

Donald Trump may be the only Republican presidential candidate who can realistically hit the magic 1,237 number for the majority of delegates, but according to a senior Republican National Committee official that does not mean he will become the GOP presidential nominee.

Curly Haugland, a longstanding RNC official and an unbound delegate from North Dakota who will be on the convention rules committee in July, told CNBC that attaining 1,237 during the primaries does not secure the nomination.

"Even if Trump reaches the magic number of 1,237 the media and RNC are touting, that does not mean Trump is automatically the nominee," Haugland said. "The votes earned during the primary process are only estimates and are not legal convention votes. The only official votes to nominate a candidate are those that are cast from the convention floor."



 
Trump is the ONLY candidate who will hit 1,237 but then consider this:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trumps-real-magic-number-is-less-than-1-237-222184

but of course we then must also flush this from our minds...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/20/internal-campaign-memo-projects-trump-will-win-1400-delegates-at-gop-convention/ 

and then there is this:

HANNITY: There Will Be No Contested Convention – Things Are Happening Behind the Scenes




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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 1:37pm

 kurtster wrote:

fixed it for ya ...

Yeah, if you come to our front door.

Crawl in the back window ? No respect. Respect is a two way street.



 
Does that include Muslims at the the front door?  Who's working the door?

Just wonderin'...... 
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 1:33pm

 buddy wrote:
 
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door
and improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans!

Yeah, kinda has a nice ring to it.

 

fixed it for ya ...

Yeah, if you come to our front door.

Crawl in the back window ?   No respect. Respect is a two way street.




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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 1:16pm

 kurtster wrote:

blah, yada ...

 3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

 
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door! 
improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans!

Yeah, kinda has a nice ring to it.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 1:15pm

 kurtster wrote:
blah, yada ...

 3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
 
And that obviously targets legal immigration as well.

But kudos for being right about low information voters and short attention spans.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 1:09pm

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Except, as pointed out before, that the distinction is superficial (but Politically Convenient to some). He's mostly against immigration, period. Illegals, Muslims, and skilled/temporary workers among others.

 
blah, yada ...

 3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:55pm

 kurtster wrote:
Meaning that those who make the distinction between legal and illegal immigration are always dismissed as nothing but bigots by those who do not make the same distinction.  There are plenty of reasons to make the distinction other than bigotry.
 
Except, as pointed out before, that the distinction is superficial (but Politically Convenient to some). He's mostly against immigration, period. Illegals, Muslims, and skilled/temporary workers among others.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:49pm

 kurtster wrote:

Meaning that those who make the distinction between legal and illegal immigration are always dismissed as nothing but bigots by those who do not make the same distinction.  There are plenty of reasons to make the distinction other than bigotry.

ymwv. 

 
Pretty pathetic attempt at a red herring. I consider Trump and anyone else who assigns negative stereotypes to an entire class of people (rapists) purely based on their belonging to that class as a bigot. Has nothing to do with their stance on immigration law.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:45pm

is the fix in?

Go ahead, Donald, get 1,237; it won't matter: RNC delegate

Donald Trump may be the only Republican presidential candidate who can realistically hit the magic 1,237 number for the majority of delegates, but according to a senior Republican National Committee official that does not mean he will become the GOP presidential nominee.

Curly Haugland, a longstanding RNC official and an unbound delegate from North Dakota who will be on the convention rules committee in July, told CNBC that attaining 1,237 during the primaries does not secure the nomination.

"Even if Trump reaches the magic number of 1,237 the media and RNC are touting, that does not mean Trump is automatically the nominee," Haugland said. "The votes earned during the primary process are only estimates and are not legal convention votes. The only official votes to nominate a candidate are those that are cast from the convention floor."


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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:43pm

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Meaning what? We should join you in ignoring his previous bigotry in favor of more recent variations?

 
Meaning that those who make the distinction between legal and illegal immigration are always dismissed as nothing but bigots by those who do not make the same distinction.  There are plenty of reasons to make the distinction other than bigotry.

ymwv. 
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:40pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
kurtster wrote:
Expanding, this election cycle is unlike no other in our lifetimes.  IIRC, you are a California native.  When was the last time California was in play for anything ?  Let alone NY ?  In our entire lifetime, both states with yuge populations never had a say so in picking a POTUS.  This changes a lot.  How are Californians going to participate / turnout in a primary that until now never mattered ?   The biggest takeaway and most revealing demo from the C primary will be the turnout.  And party registration changes before the vote.

The last time? 2008. The Democratic candidates both even came out my way, fighting over our 27 delegates. Obama spoke to SRO crowds; at Hillary's events you couldn't exactly hear crickets but it was easy to get a seat.

Lastly, to keep things straight, I don't recall Trump saying exactly who was coming through the southern border other than illegals, potential terrorists, criminals, human traffickers and drug runners.  I do not recall him saying they were Mexicans or any other nationality.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but he never mentioned any nationality unless he said that he loved them.  So the race card is injected to do what open border people do and that is to refuse to make the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.  Trump has been 100% consistent on this point.


If nothing else, this bodes well for a third party reality next time around.  But with the inherent short attention span and low information of the electorate, this window of opportunity will be very short.

We should be so lucky, but I'll do what I can.

 
I guess I should have added that both sides in play until the end, not just one or the other.  Although the dem side may be over.  We have to wait to see what Bernie is going to do next.  Tuesday should be revealing.

On the vid, see my reply below. 
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:26pm

 kurtster wrote:
 The discussion has morphed significantly since June 16th.

 
Meaning what? We should join you in ignoring his previous bigotry in favor of more recent variations?
kurtster

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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:22pm

 steeler wrote:

Well, he is talking about building a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico, and he also repeatedly says that he is going to make Mexico pay for it. 

And this was one of his early statements:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

–Real estate mogul Donald Trump, presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

 

 
The same can be said when Castro opened his jails and sent the worst of the worst to the US.  We didn't complain that they were Cubans.  It was about who they were as individuals.

But I will accept your correction as it is technically correct.  The discussion has morphed significantly since June 16th.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:16pm

kurtster wrote:
Expanding, this election cycle is unlike no other in our lifetimes.  IIRC, you are a California native.  When was the last time California was in play for anything ?  Let alone NY ?  In our entire lifetime, both states with yuge populations never had a say so in picking a POTUS.  This changes a lot.  How are Californians going to participate / turnout in a primary that until now never mattered ?   The biggest takeaway and most revealing demo from the C primary will be the turnout.  And party registration changes before the vote.

The last time? 2008. The Democratic candidates both even came out my way, fighting over our 27 delegates. Obama spoke to SRO crowds; at Hillary's events you couldn't exactly hear crickets but it was easy to get a seat.

Lastly, to keep things straight, I don't recall Trump saying exactly who was coming through the southern border other than illegals, potential terrorists, criminals, human traffickers and drug runners.  I do not recall him saying they were Mexicans or any other nationality.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but he never mentioned any nationality unless he said that he loved them.  So the race card is injected to do what open border people do and that is to refuse to make the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.  Trump has been 100% consistent on this point.


If nothing else, this bodes well for a third party reality next time around.  But with the inherent short attention span and low information of the electorate, this window of opportunity will be very short.

We should be so lucky, but I'll do what I can.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:10pm

 kurtster wrote:

Yes, the Hispanic repub total anywhere is indeed small.  So a majority of repub Hispanic voters does not translate out to the whole of the electorate.  That said, NY was a closed primary so the demographics are less meaningful overall in that no Independents voted and no one crossed party lines.  So conclusions one way or the other are speculation, period.

And then looking at California, the remaining prize, it to is a closed primary and proportional as well, IIRC.

Expanding, this election cycle is unlike no other in our lifetimes.  IIRC, you are a California native.  When was the last time California was in play for anything ?  Let alone NY ?  In our entire lifetime, both states with yuge populations never had a say so in picking a POTUS.  This changes a lot.  How are Californians going to participate / turnout in a primary that until now never mattered ?   The biggest takeaway and most revealing demo from the C primary will be the turnout.  And party registration changes before the vote.

Lastly, to keep things straight, I don't recall Trump saying exactly who was coming through the southern border other than illegals, potential terrorists, criminals, human traffickers and drug runners.  I do not recall him saying they were Mexicans or any other nationality.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but he never mentioned any nationality unless he said that he loved them.  So the race card is injected to do what open border people do and that is to refuse to make the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.  Trump has been 100% consistent on this point.  

If he lives through Cleveland and goes to the general, for the first time the distinction between legal and illegal will be present and heavily debated and perhaps the debate will help Trump more than hurt Trump.  How someone who went through all the trouble to immigrate here legally could be for anything that further enables and rewards illegal immigration is just inconceivable to me, yet it is real.

This distinction is the primary reason that I support Trump as I have said many times before.  No borders, no country.  And I have used these very words long before Trump said them out loud.  And anchor baby, since the 60's.  That's what I learned growing up in California in the 50's and 60's, before the invasion from the East Coast.  Pretty simple decision for me.  Nothing racist or xenophobic about it.  Not saying that it was your experience growing up there, but that was mine.  The only reason I went into the weeds was because of C being in play like it is.  If not then all the above is meaningless drivel.  The entire electoral process is under scrutiny for the first time in our lifetimes, with the late states being relevant and all the varieties of caucuses, conventions and primaries to pick delegates.  It never mattered before.  Its never been like this.  Different from Ford and Reagan cuz there were so many running.  Every last delegate is in play and those who are paying attention are learning how entrenched the patronage system is on both sides.  The patronage system is at the heart of all political corruption and malfeasance when you strip away all the shiny objects, smoke and mirrors.  

If nothing else, this bodes well for a third party reality next time around.  But with the inherent short attention span and low information of the electorate, this window of opportunity will be very short. 



 

 
Well, he is talking about building a wall on the U.S. border with Mexico, and he also repeatedly says that he is going to make Mexico pay for it. 

And this was one of his early statements:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

–Real estate mogul Donald Trump, presidential announcement speech, June 16, 2015

 

    


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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 12:00pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
rotekz wrote:
Yes, won in the GOP NY primary. The most Hispanic voters. Thank you.

The article tortures its statistics to make that claim, which on the face of it isn't accurate—3/4 of Hispanics vote Democratic, so no Trump did not win the most Hispanic votes in the NY primary. This, for instance:

Despite calling for a “big, beautiful” wall at the Southern border (which Mexico will pay for), the deportation of all illegal immigrants, and labeling some Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, businessman Donald Trump won more than half of the GOP Hispanic vote in New York City, according to exit polls.

Mr. Trump won the Soundview, Castle Hill area in the Bronx with 100 percent of the vote, according to the New York Times vote tracker. That area has a relatively diverse population, primarily consisting of blacks and Latin Americans. In the Jackson Heights, Queens, area where many Hispanics reside, Mr. Trump won precincts ranging from 41 percent of the vote, to 87 percent of the vote, with most precincts clocking in above 60 percent for Mr. Trump.


The total Hispanic Republican population of these neighborhoods might fit in a single subway car. He got 100% of, like, the first three rows of seats. In the Soundview/Castle Hill neighborhood, for instance, he didn't even get 100% of the votes as reported, he got 4 out of 7 votes cast. You can check yourself at the source the WT claims to have used.

If you're expecting someone who has constantly demonized and insulted Hispanics running for the nomination of a party that has done everything in its power to alienate Hispanic voters for the last 10 years to inspire Hispanics to vote for him you've spun yourself dizzy.

 
Yes, the Hispanic repub total anywhere is indeed small.  So a majority of repub Hispanic voters does not translate out to the whole of the electorate.  That said, NY was a closed primary so the demographics are less meaningful overall in that no Independents voted and no one crossed party lines.  So conclusions one way or the other are speculation, period.

And then looking at California, the remaining prize, it to is a closed primary and proportional as well, IIRC.

Expanding, this election cycle is unlike no other in our lifetimes.  IIRC, you are a California native.  When was the last time California was in play for anything ?  Let alone NY ?  In our entire lifetime, both states with yuge populations never had a say so in picking a POTUS.  This changes a lot.  How are Californians going to participate / turnout in a primary that until now never mattered ?   The biggest takeaway and most revealing demo from the C primary will be the turnout.  And party registration changes before the vote.

Lastly, to keep things straight, I don't recall Trump saying exactly who was coming through the southern border other than illegals, potential terrorists, criminals, human traffickers and drug runners.  I do not recall him saying they were Mexicans or any other nationality.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but he never mentioned any nationality unless he said that he loved them.  So the race card is injected to do what open border people do and that is to refuse to make the distinction between legal and illegal immigrants.  Trump has been 100% consistent on this point.  

If he lives through Cleveland and goes to the general, for the first time the distinction between legal and illegal will be present and heavily debated and perhaps the debate will help Trump more than hurt Trump.  How someone who went through all the trouble to immigrate here legally could be for anything that further enables and rewards illegal immigration is just inconceivable to me, yet it is real.

This distinction is the primary reason that I support Trump as I have said many times before.  No borders, no country.  And I have used these very words long before Trump said them out loud.  And anchor baby, since the 60's.  That's what I learned growing up in California in the 50's and 60's, before the invasion from the East Coast.  Pretty simple decision for me.  Nothing racist or xenophobic about it.  Not saying that it was your experience growing up there, but that was mine.  The only reason I went into the weeds was because of C being in play like it is.  If not then all the above is meaningless drivel.  The entire electoral process is under scrutiny for the first time in our lifetimes, with the late states being relevant and all the varieties of caucuses, conventions and primaries to pick delegates.  It never mattered before.  Its never been like this.  Different from Ford and Reagan cuz there were so many running.  Every last delegate is in play and those who are paying attention are learning how entrenched the patronage system is on both sides.  The patronage system is at the heart of all political corruption and malfeasance when you strip away all the shiny objects, smoke and mirrors.  

If nothing else, this bodes well for a third party reality next time around.  But with the inherent short attention span and low information of the electorate, this window of opportunity will be very short. 



 


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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 11:10am


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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 9:35am

rotekz wrote:
Yes, won in the GOP NY primary. The most Hispanic voters. Thank you.

The article tortures its statistics to make that claim, which on the face of it isn't accurate—3/4 of Hispanics vote Democratic, so no Trump did not win the most Hispanic votes in the NY primary. This, for instance:

Despite calling for a “big, beautiful” wall at the Southern border (which Mexico will pay for), the deportation of all illegal immigrants, and labeling some Mexicans rapists and drug dealers, businessman Donald Trump won more than half of the GOP Hispanic vote in New York City, according to exit polls.

Mr. Trump won the Soundview, Castle Hill area in the Bronx with 100 percent of the vote, according to the New York Times vote tracker. That area has a relatively diverse population, primarily consisting of blacks and Latin Americans. In the Jackson Heights, Queens, area where many Hispanics reside, Mr. Trump won precincts ranging from 41 percent of the vote, to 87 percent of the vote, with most precincts clocking in above 60 percent for Mr. Trump.


The total Hispanic Republican population of these neighborhoods might fit in a single subway car. He got 100% of, like, the first three rows of seats. In the Soundview/Castle Hill neighborhood, for instance, he didn't even get 100% of the votes as reported, he got 4 out of 7 votes cast. You can check yourself at the source the WT claims to have used.

If you're expecting someone who has constantly demonized and insulted Hispanics running for the nomination of a party that has done everything in its power to alienate Hispanic voters for the last 10 years to inspire Hispanics to vote for him you've spun yourself dizzy.
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Posted: Apr 22, 2016 - 8:59am

Yes, won in the GOP NY primary. The most Hispanic voters. Thank you.
On to CA...
 


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