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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 1:25pm

So much winning this week in El Nuevo Pantano...
White House rebukes Kellyanne Conway for promoting Ivanka Trump products
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 1:09pm

Probably belongs in the "favorite movie quotes" thread, but anyway . . .

 

What's that smell in this room? Didn't you notice it, Brick? Didn't you notice a powerful and obnoxious odor of mendacity in this room?... There ain't nothin' more powerful than the odor of mendacity... You can smell it. It smells like death."


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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 12:25pm

Roaming Charges: Big Boss Man
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 11:05am

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Get em up against the wall!

 
Who let all this riff raff into the room??
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 10:48am

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Get em up against the wall!
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 10:26am




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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 9:52am

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No everything has been civil and polite.  Its not disagreement.  Its just that what I have to say is irrelevant to what people really want to talk about.  And that's ok.  To keep shoving it in front of everyone's face is not.

I can't even get past square one with the concept that is germane to any further discussion that I have to present.  It begins there and everything that follows is built upon the first point.  Alt Facts were just cited as my premise.  So logically all that follows will be considered faulty because of the starting premise is not considered valid at any level.  That's all, pretty simple.  Too many fronts to work with for one person just trying to get past square one.  I feel like I'm rubbing peoples' noses in the obvious, beating a dead, a really dead horse and keeping this thread at the top of the RAFT which no one wants to happen in the first place.  Who wants to spend their time doing that ?

No I'm not packing it in.  Just ratcheting down my energy level on this particular subject.  I am actually very tired and of weary mind now for a host of reasons and need to get some serious rest and refocusing underway.  I'm not a spring chicken anymore.  I'll catch your coming reply and consider it with serious regards.

 
This one isn't about the "establishment" point; that will come later — I hope.  I wanted to say a few things about your foundation point regarding our borders and sovereignty, and recognizing and enforcing the distinction between illegal and legal immigrants. My central point here is that I believe you are not recognizing all the complexities of the issues relating to illegal immigration (there, see, I have used the term! But, frankly, I do not see how using that term instead of undocumented aliens or some other phrase does much to solve any of the issues, anymore than using the term "Islamic terrorism" solves any of the issues pertaining to terrorism. It may make you and others feel better, but the hard issues remain to be solved; I view it as more symbolic than anything concrete, not that far afield from demanding that folk say "Merry Christmas" instead of "happy holidays."  All this kind of stuff seems to fall in the minds of some under the increasingly popular umbrella term of "political correctness" that is being posited as some kind of plague and pox on all of our lives that must be defeated at all costs, lest our way of life perish. Well, that was a longer parenthetical than I intended. :) ).

You seem to want to frame the issue as one either believes in the sanctity of our borders or one does not, and I believe that is entirely too black-and-white.  Illegal immigration across the U.S./Mexican border has been going on for decades; unclear why it is viewed more of a problem now than in the past, but that is another debate (as I said In a previous post, I believe that the urgency of taking action now is primarily due to there being a blurring of security issues posed by terrorism and illegal immigration across the Mexican border).  But one thing we do know, and should be able to agree upon, is that there are millions, of illegal immigrants residing in the United States, and many of them have been here for many years; decades in the cases of a significant amount. Quite a few of them have raised families here, and are integral parts of their communities .  None of that erases the fact that they came here illegally, but it does raise questions as to what should be done about them — and what can be done.  There is the practical side of it, which is that there is no realistic way that our government is going to be able to find and deport them all.  We should be able to agree upon that.   

You have railed against "Sanctuary Cities," but those, too, come in shades of gray. Under the Constitution, protecting our borders, and combatting illegal immigration, is the responsibility of the federal government.  The states and local jurisdictions are not permitted to create and enforce their own immigration laws; we saw that underscored a few years ago when Arizona was enacting its own immigration enforcement laws. Additionally, and importantly for this discussion, the feds cannot force the states and local jurisdictions to enforce immigration laws. That is the legal end of things, stated rather simply.  Why would jurisdictions not voluntarily cooperate with ICE more in identifying and turning over illegal immigrants for deportation?  There are a number of reasons. I will offer up a couple main ones.  Frist and foremost, many illegal immigrants are integral parts of communities, and have been residing within them for a long time.  I can tell you that a jurisdiction would rather have those "residents" not be fearful of engaging with the local government, most especially local law enforcement, because of fear of being deported. We need their cooperation on a number of fronts.   It builds a stronger community. So, yes, we may be looking the other way on whether a resident is an illegal immigrant or not, but there are reasons for that.  You should be able to agree that there are competing concerns here.  Think of it this way:  We have statutes of limitation on most crimes; when the SOL has expired, a person can no longer be prosecuted for whatever offense he or she may have committed. Does not make them innocent; and one could certainly say that person got away with that crime. But there are reasons why we have SOLs.   There are competing concerns.  So, someone who came here illegally 20 years ago, and, by all accounts has been otherwise living an exemplary life here in America, is discovered to have come here illegally and never established legal status.  Should there be any weighing process involved in determining whether that person should be permitted to stay?  Or is the only thing that matters is whether he or she came illegally?  

That is rather rambling.  Let me say this.  I believe most people would have an aversion to turning in their neighbors, especially longtime and respected neighbors, upon discovering or suspecting they came to this country illegally.  One step further:  I believe most people would rather not live in communities where everyone is encouraged to do so.

 

 



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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 9:17am

TRUMP SAYS HE HAS BEEN TREATED VERY UNFAIRLY BY PEOPLE WHO WROTE CONSTITUTION
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 8:35am

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{#Lol}

 

Now, that's funny; no matter your political bent.


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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 8:31am


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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 8:13am

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Don't you need a Cabinet first ?  Or is this the pool for when it gets finished ?

I think he'll get his Cabinet fully confirmed by Thanksgiving.  Next year, not this year.

 
Why not? Isn't he the 'get it done guy'?  Doesn't he know how to negotiate with people to get what he wants? Did somebody get conned?
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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 8:11am

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The downside of Trump's immigration policies: the very farmers who supported him face ruin if Trump deports illegal immigrants working on those farms. 

California Farmers Backed Trump, but Now Fear Losing Field Workers

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Mr. Trump’s immigration policies could transform California’s Central Valley, a stretch of lowlands that extends from Sacramento to Bakersfield. Approximately 70 percent of all farmworkers here are living in the United States illegally, according to researchers at University of California, Davis. The impact could reverberate throughout the valley’s precarious economy, where agriculture is by far the largest industry. With 6.5 million people living in the valley, the fields in this state bring in $35 billion a year and provide more of the nation’s food than any other state.

The consequences of a smaller immigrant work force would ripple not just through the orchards and dairies, but also to locally owned businesses, restaurants, schools and even seemingly unrelated industries, like the insurance market.

Many here feel vindicated by the election, and signs declaring “Vote to make America great again” still dot the highways. But in conversations with nearly a dozen farmers, most of whom voted for Mr. Trump, each acknowledged that they relied on workers who provided false documents. And if the administration were to weed out illegal workers, farmers say their businesses would be crippled. Even Republican lawmakers from the region have supported plans that would give farmworkers a path to citizenship.

“If you only have legal labor, certain parts of this industry and this region will not exist,” said Harold McClarty, a fourth-generation farmer in Kingsburg whose operation grows, packs and ships peaches, plums and grapes throughout the country. “If we sent all these people back, it would be a total disaster.” 

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Farmers are also anxiously awaiting the administration’s plans to alter longstanding trade agreements. Mr. Trump has said he will pull out of the North American Free Trade Agreement if he cannot negotiate better terms for the United States. Growers would benefit if Mr. Trump negotiated more favorable terms. But backing out of the agreement entirely could provoke retaliation from Mexico that would hurt California’s agricultural industry, which earned $21 billion from trade last year.

 

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Posted: Feb 10, 2017 - 4:01am

 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
Nothing to say - just want that auotplay video off the page.

 
is it me on the autoplay?

i had this issue the other day

i'd like to know

i suspect i have certain extensions running that may block it for me but not for others

please advise

thanks 


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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 9:30pm

 aflanigan wrote:

What, do we have a Cabinet pool going here at RP?

 
Don't you need a Cabinet first ?  Or is this the pool for when it gets finished ?

I think he'll get his Cabinet fully confirmed by Thanksgiving.  Next year, not this year.


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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 9:29pm

Betsy DeVos Orders Immediate Flattening Of All School Globes

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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 8:23pm

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
This has to be his funniest tweet yet.
SEE YOU IN COURT, ...
 

"MANY, MANY people have told me it was the funniest tweet EVER. Also the BEST!"

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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 7:36pm

This has to be his funniest tweet yet.
SEE YOU IN COURT, ...



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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 6:48pm

Nothing to say - just want that auotplay video off the page.
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Posted: Feb 9, 2017 - 6:27pm


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