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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 12:07pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Said every Republican ever, since forever.

 
Oh? Republicans criticize their own President's regarding the deficit? Can you cite an example other than Rand Paul and the Liberty caucus? Cause I am pretty sure they don't. You do realize I am criticizing Trump, right?

 
Historically, it seems that the party which is not the majority tends to bring up the deficit more often.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 12:07pm

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They're more afraid to step out of line, now, but Reagan and Nixon definitely caught flak from voters over that.

 

Voters are not the Republican party, I think you probably just misinterpreted what I was saying. I am basically saying Republicans are always going on about the deficit, but Trump who is supposedly the leader of the Republican party is blowin that shi'te up like no one has seen before. He is basically the candy man just giving everyone what they want, debt be damned.


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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 12:03pm

 sirdroseph wrote:
 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Said every Republican ever, since forever.

 

Oh? Republicans criticize their own President's regarding the deficit? Can you cite an example other than Rand Paul and the Liberty caucus? Cause I am pretty sure they don't. You do realize I am criticizing Trump, right?

 
They're more afraid to step out of line, now, but Reagan and Nixon definitely caught flak from voters over that.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 11:50am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Said every Republican ever, since forever.

 

Oh? Republicans criticize their own President's regarding the deficit? Can you cite an example other than Rand Paul and the Liberty caucus? Cause I am pretty sure they don't. You do realize I am criticizing Trump, right?


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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 11:25am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

Said every Republican ever, since forever.

 


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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 11:13am

 sirdroseph wrote:
Dude you are turning out to be a worse President for the deficit than any Democrat!
 
Said every Republican ever, since forever.
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Posted: Feb 14, 2018 - 10:25am

Dude you are turning out to be a worse President for the deficit than any Democrat! I heard they were literally shouting poor Rand Paul down when he tried to protest. Well no one ever claimed the Republicans were not as hypocritical as the Democrats, at least they have that in common. smh
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Posted: Feb 13, 2018 - 2:25pm

 https://www.texastribune.org/2018/01/27/texas-gop-executive-committee-censures-house-speaker-joe-straus/

{#Smile}

sdwright wrote:
{#Arrowd} with censorship
{#Arrowd} w/censureship

cc_rider wrote:

Both camps have their extremists, but in the GOP, the extremists are in control of the party. Google 'Joe Strauss Texas House' and see what happens to real conservatives in the GOP these days. As Speaker he refused to let the 'bathroom bill' come to the floor, because he is a reasonable person and the bill was a terrible idea. Hundreds of businesses and Chambers of Commerce were against it. He was recently censured by the House GOP, for not falling in line with the extremists. The funniest part is, he announced he would not run again BEFORE the censure came out. What's the point of the censure if he's leaving anyway? Scoring ultra-right-wing political points, that's all. Ridiculous.
c.

 

 


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Posted: Feb 13, 2018 - 1:37pm

Lawsplainer: "Fruit of The Poisonous Tree" And The Special Counsel Investigation


Then there's the concept that the "fruit of the poisonous tree" doctrine allows exclusion of specific evidence resulting from violation of a particular defendant's rights. It doesn't require the shutting down of entire investigations.

Put another way, the question is whether the defendant can draw a direct line between a violation of his or her rights and a piece of evidence. The courts have rejected a "but for" theory of the doctrine. That is, the question isn't "would the police have done the things they did but for the violation of my rights." "The Court has never held that evidence is 'fruit of the poisonous tree' simply because “it would not have come to light but for the illegal actions of the police.'" So, for instance, even if the police become interested in searching my house because of evidence they seized illegally from me, so long as the warrant application to search my house does not include any of the illegally seized evidence, it's not fruit of the poisonous tree.

There's a related concept called attenuation. "Evidence is admissible when the connection between unconstitutional police conduct and the evidence is remote or has been interrupted by some intervening circumstance." The most common example of this is a voluntary statement. Generally, if the police illegally seize evidence, and then come and ask me about it, and I make a voluntary statement, courts consider the connection between the illegal seizure and the statement attenuated by my voluntary act, so that my statement is not suppressed. So, in the case of the Special Counsel, Papadopoulos and Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI during voluntary statements to them. Even if the Special Counsel got to that interview by violating rights, and even if those were Papadopoulos's and Flynn's rights, the voluntary statements would generally be treated as breaking the chain and would be admissible.


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Posted: Feb 13, 2018 - 12:09pm

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The pic of Clintons + Trump should be a reminder to people that the point of politics is to cooperate and not vilify your colleagues. Once you start talking about other people as horrible, you step into hypocrisy as a way of living.

Bill, Hillary, and Donald have all done good things, bad things, and need to be judged on their actions (including their words). They can certainly be liars, or have an unrealistic view of how the government should be run, or just be really horrible at their job.

Shame on America for being so blind as to believe that opponents can never speak politely as they each try to move towards their opposite, incompatible goals.

And the result, in the past, has been somewhere in between what each extremist wants. Today, it's extremism or nothing and compromise is seen as the behavior of losers.

 
Both camps have their extremists, but in the GOP, the extremists are in control of the party. Google 'Joe Strauss Texas House' and see what happens to real conservatives in the GOP these days. As Speaker he refused to let the 'bathroom bill' come to the floor, because he is a reasonable person and the bill was a terrible idea. Hundreds of businesses and Chambers of Commerce were against it. He was recently censured by the House GOP, for not falling in line with the extremists. The funniest part is, he announced he would not run again BEFORE the censure came out. What's the point of the censure if he's leaving anyway? Scoring ultra-right-wing political points, that's all. Ridiculous.
c.
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Posted: Feb 12, 2018 - 10:41am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

You you appreciate being associated in any way with that steaming pile?

 
Well no, of course not. 
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Posted: Feb 12, 2018 - 10:33am

 cc_rider wrote:
 They're surprisingly sensitive.

 
You you appreciate being associated in any way with that steaming pile?
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Posted: Feb 12, 2018 - 10:22am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Weasels everywhere are offended.

  They're surprisingly sensitive.


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Posted: Feb 11, 2018 - 9:04am

 Red_Dragon wrote:

Weasels everywhere are offended.

 
{#Lol}
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Posted: Feb 11, 2018 - 8:48am

 PoundPuppy wrote:
Dirty Money on Netflix. Episode 6 : Donald Trump The Confidence Man. What a weasle

 
Weasels everywhere are offended.
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Posted: Feb 11, 2018 - 8:33am

Dirty Money on Netflix. Episode 6 : Donald Trump The Confidence Man. What a weasle
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 5:20pm

 haresfur wrote: 
oh, snap
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 5:18pm

So much for his only being against illegal immigration

The Trump administration is working on new rules that would allow the government to keep immigrants from settling in the US, or even force them to leave, if their families had used a broad swath of local, state, or federal social services to which they’re legally entitled — even enrolling their US-born children in Head Start or the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP).

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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 10:43am

 Steely_D wrote:

Remember that revolution/shake up/not business as usual was the whole intent of putting a Businessman in the office usually held by politicians. For the folks who were tired of the "elites" he was supposed to be the antidote. 

 
Certainly a case of the "cure" being worse than the disease.
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Posted: Feb 8, 2018 - 9:02am

REBECCA SOLNIT: AS TRUMP TWEETS, AMERICA BURNS
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