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Posted: Feb 23, 2016 - 7:01am

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Posted: Feb 23, 2016 - 6:34am

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You were included in that number.  I know you don't support him, but you were one of the few who took him seriously from the beginning.

 
Yea but I got an excuse to post the Dude, man.{#Cowboy}
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Posted: Feb 23, 2016 - 6:29am

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Just casinos in Atlantic City.  I don't think anyone did well in AC.  It was doomed before starting.-begs the question: Why did this business genius invest in a failing industry?

Its a lot more than just real estate deals.  He builds things, big things that must have a budget, employ many people, coordinate resources, work properly and last. - wasn't aware he was in construction? Does he actually run the construction, or just finance it?

No one running understands finance and global trade better than he does.  He understands that currency manipulation is the problem that it is.  It is a way to violate trade agreements and have tariffs without having tariffs.  He understands what corporate inversion is and wants to stop it.  He is against the TPP, the only repub against it.  He has a plan to repatriate the at least $2 trillion dollars in cash sitting offshore and get it back and put it to work.  It belongs to the corporations and can be invested without government strings.  How about a real $2 Trillion dollar stimulus to our economy that comes not from the gov, but the private sector ?  Imagine what that would do for our economy.  Sure would generate a lot of jobs, and wages that pay taxes to finance other things.  We would grow our way out of this mess very quickly.  -if it's not being invested now, where would the investment opportunities magically appear for the repatriated funds? 

This would certainly stimulate domestic manufacturing.  Our domestic market is so big that we don't need to export what we make in order to prosper.  We can consume what we make and keep recirculating our own money through our economy, keeping it here.  Energy independence also keeps our money at home and working for us instead of our enemies who will use it to destroy us given the opportunity. -this calls for the elimination of all our free trade agreements.  Sounds socialist.

And Trump does not invest in equities aka the stock market. -really? nothing held in stocks?  He is not beholden to the Wall Street powers.  Real estate is just that, tangible assets, not paper certificates that are only worth what they are printed on.  Its a whole different world than Wall Street.  It deals more with Main Street.  He is his own man and cannot be bought out.-that's a huge leap of faith for this clown.    I have believed that he was serious since day one and is doing this for the good of our country and for no other reason. I don't doubt he's for real, just think he is one of the worst candidates for the job to ever come down the pike.   He has no other reasons to do this.  He needs no other reasons to do this.-wasn't his other reality show failing?

 


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Posted: Feb 23, 2016 - 6:28am

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I think most believe he will serve if elected, but speaking for myself anyway I think that he will be:

 

 



 
You were included in that number.  I know you don't support him, but you were one of the few who took him seriously from the beginning.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2016 - 6:23am

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Its kinda funny how there are only about 3 or 4 people here who even believe that Trump is a real candidate who will serve if elected.

All the rest of you think he is just running to suit his ego and advance his brand, believing he will drop out of the race as soon as he has to actually spend money and go quietly into the night and commenting about the spectacle as if rubbernecking at a head on collision on an Interstate.

Carry on. 

 
I think most believe he will serve if elected, but speaking for myself anyway I think that he will be:

 

 




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Posted: Feb 23, 2016 - 5:53am

Its kinda funny how there are only about 3 or 4 people here who even believe that Trump is a real candidate who will serve if elected.

All the rest of you think he is just running to suit his ego and advance his brand, believing he will drop out of the race as soon as he has to actually spend money and go quietly into the night and commenting about the spectacle as if rubbernecking at a head on collision on an Interstate.

Carry on. 


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 9:14pm

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Oh yes because I have never met a rude, obnoxious or patronizingly condescending liberal before.
 
The word "conservative" was nowhere in my post. It was simply a statement about how "not politically correct" just means mannerless.

And, it's obvious that the biggest impediment the nation faces is the insistence on framing our lives like we're still at a high school football team with a Home and Away team, and they must fight to the death.

We need to move past the way of living where, to feel good about ones' self, it means being superior to another. Winning conflict means that we need to generate conflict, even if it's not in our real best interests.

So, when we try to figure out the economics of our nation, instead of working together folks insist on framing it as liberal or conservative, starting a battle before it's begun and eliminating the possibility of compromise.

Personally, as I've pointed out repeatedly, I'm in the middle. Neither Dem nor Repub. Show me a good idea and I'll espouse it. But, there are plenty of folks who can't do that. 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 8:54pm

Spectacle, not truth...

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 7:54pm

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Those aren't properties that are unique to businesses. When there's no accountability or responsibility you end up with corruption, both in government and business. It's a failure in ethics.

PS: And it applies to all institutions from the largest to the smallest. Government, business, churches, families.

 
Well we do agree on something !

There is no one enforcing accountability or responsibility in the US government and hasn't been for a very long time, hence the widespread corruption.  There is only one person running who is not afraid to do some enforcing and is able to because he has not been corrupted or already owned by the system he seeks to run.

Ta' 
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Oh and someone that owes nothing to the patronage system that is the root of our corruption ... political hacks ...


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 7:37pm

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Not at all talking about making a profit of any kind.  Wasn't even in my thought process.  Its about accountability and responsibility.  The ability to fire someone if they are unable to do their job or incompetent, wasteful or disregard the law.  (...)
 
Those aren't properties that are unique to businesses. When there's no accountability or responsibility you end up with corruption, both in government and business. It's a failure in ethics.

PS: And it applies to all institutions from the largest to the smallest. Government, business, churches, families.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 7:07pm

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Depends on what you consider being run like a business. I'm all in favour of government making a small profit to fund priorities, maintain a bit of surplus in case of unexpected expenses, unexpected revenue drop, and a rainy-day fund. Yes I said small profit, I'm generally anti huge profit for government or business. So yes to responsible decision making.

Run like a business could also mean screw everyone who works for you, your suppliers, and maybe even the world economy. I'm not in favour of that. Government here seems to want to sell off any and all assets for short term gains in an effort to try to get elected again. That's a very business-like strategy in the current global economy. If they can make the bottom line look better, even if it costs the populace a lot more in the long run, well that's business, eh? They also (all parties) get into some dodgy public-private partnerships where money for large works comes from both the tax base and from private investment. They almost always negotiate really bad deals, lose control over the outcomes, and end up covering private cost overruns. In actuality it is a form of deficit spending but instead of floating a bond that you eventually pay off, you give private industry profits for perpetuity. For example Melbourne has large toll roads run by private business. Instead of paying off the construction, the populace/shareholders/citizens end up paying tolls forever. It's business but bad business. And don't get me started on the corruption that enters into things when the government sees their role to support their cronies (business, labour unions or whoever).

So I'd be far more impressed with the Republican platform if they had demonstrated that trickle down economics could lead to increased tax revenue. Instead they showed it leads to blowing out the debt.

 
Not at all talking about making a profit of any kind.  Wasn't even in my thought process.  Its about accountability and responsibility.  The ability to fire someone if they are unable to do their job or incompetent, wasteful or disregard the law.  Eliminating duplication of work.  Modernizing business systems and responsible bidding.  

To my knowledge not one person has been fired at the VA for any of the stuff that has been discovered.  Records have been falsified and people are dead as a result.  The suicide hotline goes to voice mail  WTF ?  This has to end.

Yes I know about toll roads having run a truck stop on the Ohio Turnpike for 5 years.  I've watched Kasich go back and forth over keeping it as is, leasing it and just outright selling it.  So far, it is still a quasi government agency.  It just depends on who is suing it, whether its a government enterprise or a private one.  The original notes were paid off about 20 years ago.  Then they decided to add a 3rd lane to both sides between Youngstown and Toledo and rebuild all of the rest stops such as where I worked and took out new bonds for that purpose.

On the last thought.  The Democrat version of trickle down from the government isn't working very well either.


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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 6:34pm

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islander wrote:

Uh, I do. And lots of others also. Business has some specific goals. Government has some too. They are very different and take very different methodologies to accomplish.  We certainly can fire people in government, but there are reasons why it may be pragmatic to make that more difficult than in the private sector. I also don't want the group that is responsible for our health and welfare to be looking to maximize profits and cut corners for expediency.

As someone who has supported a loved one through more than year of chemotherapy, I agree about 300%. Quality heath care has absolutely nothing to do with profit.

 
As someone who is a licensed medical professional and who has gone through 3 years of chemo costing well over $2 mil, I'll just say that it is not all that simple.  Private for profit insurance covered my care for an incurable Stage IV cancer.  Aetna was supportive and did not question or object to any of the care I received.  I am grateful to say the least.  If I had got sick under Obamacare, I would be dead today.

While we may disagree on a lot of things I wish nothing but the best for you and P.

respect and regards ... 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 6:25pm

I cannot comprehend how any sane, rational human being could support this monster.

There, I said it. 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 6:19pm

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If political experience is the only criteria, then yes, this is true.

I still don't buy that only a politician can be POTUS though.   It is politicians who got us into all this trouble in the first place.

This is the 21st Century and these are times never seen before.  Time for a paradigm shift.  Who says that the government can't or shouldn't be run like a business ?  Bad people need to be fired.  Can't move forward and improve on things without doing that.  It is impossible.  Politicians just ask people to resign, they don't say "you're fired", cuz they are afraid to.  Its part of the DNA ...

  
Depends on what you consider being run like a business. I'm all in favour of government making a small profit to fund priorities, maintain a bit of surplus in case of unexpected expenses, unexpected revenue drop, and a rainy-day fund. Yes I said small profit, I'm generally anti huge profit for government or business. So yes to responsible decision making.

Run like a business could also mean screw everyone who works for you, your suppliers, and maybe even the world economy. I'm not in favour of that. Government here seems to want to sell off any and all assets for short term gains in an effort to try to get elected again. That's a very business-like strategy in the current global economy. If they can make the bottom line look better, even if it costs the populace a lot more in the long run, well that's business, eh? They also (all parties) get into some dodgy public-private partnerships where money for large works comes from both the tax base and from private investment. They almost always negotiate really bad deals, lose control over the outcomes, and end up covering private cost overruns. In actuality it is a form of deficit spending but instead of floating a bond that you eventually pay off, you give private industry profits for perpetuity. For example Melbourne has large toll roads run by private business. Instead of paying off the construction, the populace/shareholders/citizens end up paying tolls forever. It's business but bad business. And don't get me started on the corruption that enters into things when the government sees their role to support their cronies (business, labour unions or whoever).

So I'd be far more impressed with the Republican platform if they had demonstrated that trickle down economics could lead to increased tax revenue. Instead they showed it leads to blowing out the debt.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 6:07pm

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I agree, but disagree Trump is capable of the job.  Contrary to what seems to be the perception among his supporters, Trump was not particularly good at running a business.  Doing real estate deals, yes, but not running a business (see his 4 bankruptcies). 

 
Just casinos in Atlantic City.  I don't think anyone did well in AC.  It was doomed before starting.

How is Donald Trump Able to File for Bankruptcy So Many Times?

Everything you want to know about Donald Trump's bankruptcies

He stiffed Carl Icahn for a cool $400 mil, yet they are still friends.  

Its a lot more than just real estate deals.  He builds things, big things that must have a budget, employ many people, coordinate resources, work properly and last.  And all over the world in many different economic, ethical and political situations.  You do not get repeat business if you aren't good at it.  In international business, a US company must adhere to US ethical standards and practices regardless of local customs.  A US business and its employees can be prosecuted if they violate US standards in these circumstances.  I am not aware of any such actions against Trump in any of his dealings.

No one running understands finance and global trade better than he does.  He understands that currency manipulation is the problem that it is.  It is a way to violate trade agreements and have tariffs without having tariffs.  He understands what corporate inversion is and wants to stop it.  He is against the TPP, the only repub against it.  He has a plan to repatriate the at least $2 trillion dollars in cash sitting offshore and get it back and put it to work.  It belongs to the corporations and can be invested without government strings.  How about a real $2 Trillion dollar stimulus to our economy that comes not from the gov, but the private sector ?  Imagine what that would do for our economy.  Sure would generate a lot of jobs, and wages that pay taxes to finance other things.  We would grow our way out of this mess very quickly.  

This would certainly stimulate domestic manufacturing.  Our domestic market is so big that we don't need to export what we make in order to prosper.  We can consume what we make and keep recirculating our own money through our economy, keeping it here.  Energy independence also keeps our money at home and working for us instead of our enemies who will use it to destroy us given the opportunity.

And Trump does not invest in equities aka the stock market.  He is not beholden to the Wall Street powers.  Real estate is just that, tangible assets, not paper certificates that are only worth what they are printed on.  Its a whole different world than Wall Street.  It deals more with Main Street.  He is his own man and cannot be bought out.  I have believed that he was serious since day one and is doing this for the good of our country and for no other reason.  He has no other reasons to do this.  He needs no other reasons to do this.

Those that can do ... those that can't teach ...  Trump can do ...

These are just my observations.  I have a recent degree in Bus Admin (2007) and grew up in the building biz to build my perspective with.  It is for the reasons I have outlined above that I support Trump and many more discussed elsewhere.  It ain't no dogwhistle that I listen to as some others here (not you) say that I do.

Regards ...

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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 5:45pm

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Uh, I do. And lots of others also. Business has some specific goals. Government has some too. They are very different and take very different methodologies to accomplish.  We certainly can fire people in government, but there are reasons why it may be pragmatic to make that more difficult than in the private sector. I also don't want the group that is responsible for our health and welfare to be looking to maximize profits and cut corners for expediency.

 
As someone who has supported a loved one through more than year of chemotherapy, I agree about 300%. Quality heath care has absolutely nothing to do with profit.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 4:47pm

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If political experience is the only criteria, then yes, this is true.

I still don't buy that only a politician can be POTUS though.   It is politicians who got us into all this trouble in the first place.

This is the 21st Century and these are times never seen before.  Time for a paradigm shift.  Who says that the government can't or shouldn't be run like a business ?  Bad people need to be fired.  Can't move forward and improve on things without doing that.  It is impossible.  Politicians just ask people to resign, they don't say "you're fired", cuz they are afraid to.  Its part of the DNA ...

 
Uh, I do. And lots of others also. Business has some specific goals. Government has some too. They are very different and take very different methodologies to accomplish.  We certainly can fire people in government, but there are reasons why it may be pragmatic to make that more difficult than in the private sector. I also don't want the group that is responsible for our health and welfare to be looking to maximize profits and cut corners for expediency.
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 2:10pm

 kurtster wrote:

If political experience is the only criteria, then yes, this is true.

I still don't buy that only a politician can be POTUS though.   It is politicians who got us into all this trouble in the first place.

This is the 21st Century and these are times never seen before.  Time for a paradigm shift.  Who says that the government can't or shouldn't be run like a business ?  Bad people need to be fired.  Can't move forward and improve on things without doing that.  It is impossible.  Politicians just ask people to resign, they don't say "you're fired", cuz they are afraid to.  Its part of the DNA ...

 
I agree, but disagree Trump is capable of the job.  Contrary to what seems to be the perception among his supporters, Trump was not particularly good at running a business.  Doing real estate deals, yes, but not running a business (see his 4 bankruptcies). 
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Posted: Feb 22, 2016 - 1:51pm

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In this environment, being "reasonable" is seen as a deficit.  Certainly not the marker of a leader.  {#Wink} 

Edit:  Kasich also has the most relevant experience of any of the remaining GOP candidates.

 
If political experience is the only criteria, then yes, this is true.

I still don't buy that only a politician can be POTUS though.   It is politicians who got us into all this trouble in the first place.

This is the 21st Century and these are times never seen before.  Time for a paradigm shift.  Who says that the government can't or shouldn't be run like a business ?  Bad people need to be fired.  Can't move forward and improve on things without doing that.  It is impossible.  Politicians just ask people to resign, they don't say "you're fired", cuz they are afraid to.  Its part of the DNA ...
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