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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 4:03pm

 hippiechick wrote:

I'm not
 

And if I am not? It must be Mr. Mustard, in the library, with the latest polls in his hands...
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 4:02pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid
A new survey of American voters shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources.

 
technically i think that makes them ignorant {#Wink}

the vast majority of (mis)information heaped on the public from practically all mainstream media is schlock.

imho, there's very few programs worthy of gleaning.

regards
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 4:00pm

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MK is confused? Or you're confused?

 
I'm not

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 4:00pm

 hippiechick wrote:
So, MK, basically your take is, don't confuse you with the fact, right?

 

No hc. And I resent that. I did not spend 35 years as a scientist without a frigging care for fact and the discovery of fact.
What I said regarding Mr. Obama's fortunes is true...he continues a downward trend...not precipitous but discernibly downward. What would not only be refreshing but shocking would be for you to ever see the realities surrounding Mr. Obama and how the public views him and his policies. In a nutshell, not all peaches and cream as you might think *and often imply*
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:57pm

 hippiechick wrote:
So, MK, basically your take is, don't confuse you with the fact, right?

 

MK is confused? Or you're confused?
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:56pm

 hippiechick wrote:

You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:
RCP Average12/1 - 12/1545.048.0-3.0
FOX News12/14 - 12/15900 RV4051-11
Gallup12/13 - 12/151547 A4546-1
Rasmussen Reports12/13 - 12/151500 LV4753-6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl12/9 - 12/131000 A4548-3
ABC News/Wash Post12/9 - 12/121001 A4947+2
McClatchy/Marist12/2 - 12/8873 RV4250-8
Bloomberg12/4 - 12/71000 A4748-1
Reuters/Ipsos12/2 - 12/51028 A4546-1
Pew Research12/1 - 12/51500 A4543+2

 
This is something to brag about? {#Rolleyes}

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:55pm

So, MK, basically your take is, don't confuse you with the fact, right?
musik_knut

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:53pm

 RichardPrins wrote:

Possibly as pointless as approval rates? (Gallup:)



Obviously Glenn Beck isn't Fox, he's merely an employee hosting a show with political commentary on the Fox News Channel.
 

Likeability in a pol, particularly a President, has less impact than approval. The more  President Obama sinks, the more emboldened his detractors and now at this point, even some of his allies. A lot of folks like to compare Mr. Obama today and the same points in time for Mr. Clinton and Mr. Reagan. Fair. But not accurate because Mr. Obama is at the switch with 9.8% unemployment. Neither Mr. Clinton or Mr. Reagan had that sack of rocks hanging on them. That's where approval matters more than 'for he's a jolly good fellow' does.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:50pm

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40%...45%...whatever; he's a long way down from where he was 2 years ago....even a year ago. And I note that the numbers are declining......
 
The numbers have been roughly the same since February

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:49pm

 hippiechick wrote:

You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:
RCP Average12/1 - 12/1545.048.0-3.0
FOX News12/14 - 12/15900 RV4051-11
Gallup12/13 - 12/151547 A4546-1
Rasmussen Reports12/13 - 12/151500 LV4753-6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl12/9 - 12/131000 A4548-3
ABC News/Wash Post12/9 - 12/121001 A4947+2
McClatchy/Marist12/2 - 12/8873 RV4250-8
Bloomberg12/4 - 12/71000 A4748-1
Reuters/Ipsos12/2 - 12/51028 A4546-1
Pew Research12/1 - 12/51500 A4543+2

 

Wow...who knew? The same trend holds...downward. Or do you wish to deny that, too? Pick a number, ride a winner...all show the same trend.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:49pm

 musik_knut wrote:
Pointless. Likeable or not, Mr. Obama, according to Gallup, now sits at a new low of approval: 40%.
Liking Mr. Obama is not going to help the unemployed nor make his decided Liberal agenda more palatable to most.
And, despite some wrongheaded notions, Glenn Beck is not FOX.
 
Possibly as pointless as approval rates? (Gallup:)



Obviously Glenn Beck isn't Fox, he's merely an employee hosting a show with political commentary on the Fox News Channel.

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:47pm

 hippiechick wrote:

Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid

...The conclusion is inescapable. Fox News is deliberately misinforming its viewers and it is doing so for a reason. Every issue above is one in which the Republican Party had a vested interest. The GOP benefited from the ignorance that Fox News helped to proliferate. The results were apparent in the election last month as voters based their decisions on demonstrably false information fed to them by Fox News. ...

 

Too funny. When necessary, lather, rinse, repeat. This story has been around for as long as some Left wing bloggers decided to unleash it. If you would just look at it only superficially, you would see it for what it is: pure, unadulterated, fetid rubbish.
The last election...so, all those independents, the same ones that just 2 years prior had helped elect Mr. Obama, began tuning into FOX in what, lethally stupid doses, and viola!, having been dumbed down by FOX, they voted largely Republican? Please.
I don't want to call it the purest of dumbness, but the endless denial over what the voters said loudly just 8 weeks ago, is pathetic. Democrats got the same country butt whuppin' Republicans had rec'd in '06 and '08. Did Republicans then turn to some reason that bore no relation to reality or even sanity, and say, well we lost because of XY & Z, all of which were unrelated to voter sentiment? No.
Once again the failure to distill news from opinion as regards FOX. MSNBC reports the news and that is vastly different from the Left wing goop Mr. Olbermann spews by the barrel.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:44pm

 hippiechick wrote:

You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:
RCP Average12/1 - 12/1545.048.0-3.0
FOX News12/14 - 12/15900 RV4051-11
Gallup12/13 - 12/151547 A4546-1
Rasmussen Reports12/13 - 12/151500 LV4753-6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl12/9 - 12/131000 A4548-3
ABC News/Wash Post12/9 - 12/121001 A4947+2
McClatchy/Marist12/2 - 12/8873 RV4250-8
Bloomberg12/4 - 12/71000 A4748-1
Reuters/Ipsos12/2 - 12/51028 A4546-1
Pew Research12/1 - 12/51500 A4543+2

 
40%...45%...whatever; he's a long way down from where he was 2 years ago....even a year ago. And I note that the numbers are declining......

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:39pm

 musik_knut wrote:


Pointless. Likeable or not, Mr. Obama, according to Gallup, now sits at a new low of approval: 40%.
Liking Mr. Obama is not going to help the unemployed nor make his decided Liberal agenda more palatable to most.
And, despite some wrongheaded notions, Glenn Beck is not FOX.

 
You are incorrect. From Real Clear Politics:
RCP Average12/1 - 12/1545.048.0 -3.0
FOX News12/14 - 12/15900 RV4051 -11
Gallup12/13 - 12/151547 A4546 -1
Rasmussen Reports12/13 - 12/151500 LV4753 -6
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl12/9 - 12/131000 A4548 -3
ABC News/Wash Post12/9 - 12/121001 A4947 +2
McClatchy/Marist12/2 - 12/8873 RV4250 -8
Bloomberg12/4 - 12/71000 A4748 -1
Reuters/Ipsos12/2 - 12/51028 A4546 -1
Pew Research12/1 - 12/51500 A4543 +2


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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:37pm

Study Confirms That Fox News Makes You Stupid

...The conclusion is inescapable. Fox News is deliberately misinforming its viewers and it is doing so for a reason. Every issue above is one in which the Republican Party had a vested interest. The GOP benefited from the ignorance that Fox News helped to proliferate. The results were apparent in the election last month as voters based their decisions on demonstrably false information fed to them by Fox News. ...


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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:31pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Don't tell Fox News, but Obama's better liked than Reagan or W. Bush
From today's Wall Street Journal :
Both pollsters say Mr. Obama retains a strong reservoir of good will, considering the string of bad news that has buffeted his White House: 9.8% unemployment; the worst congressional losses for his party in a midterm election since 1946; continuing discontent with his signature health-care law; even the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Fully 72% of Americans say they like the president personally, a reading well above those of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan at this point in their presidencies.
In other words, Obama Derangement Syndrome, which dominates at Fox News and throughout the right-wing media, is not the norm. This obsessive desire to tear down Obama and present him as a monstrous man determined to destroy the United States from within (I'm looking at you Glenn Beck) is a distinctly radical view among Americans.

That's worth keeping in mind next time you tune into Fox News.


 

Pointless. Likeable or not, Mr. Obama, according to Gallup, now sits at a new low of approval: 40%.
Liking Mr. Obama is not going to help the unemployed nor make his decided Liberal agenda more palatable to most.
And, despite some wrongheaded notions, Glenn Beck is not FOX.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:27pm

 RichardPrins wrote:
Don't tell Fox News, but Obama's better liked than Reagan or W. Bush
From today's Wall Street Journal :
Both pollsters say Mr. Obama retains a strong reservoir of good will, considering the string of bad news that has buffeted his White House: 9.8% unemployment; the worst congressional losses for his party in a midterm election since 1946; continuing discontent with his signature health-care law; even the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Fully 72% of Americans say they like the president personally, a reading well above those of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan at this point in their presidencies.
In other words, Obama Derangement Syndrome, which dominates at Fox News and throughout the right-wing media, is not the norm. This obsessive desire to tear down Obama and present him as a monstrous man determined to destroy the United States from within (I'm looking at you Glenn Beck) is a distinctly radical view among Americans.

That's worth keeping in mind next time you tune into Fox News.


 
I've actually seen this on Fox News(not Glenn Beck,...who watches that sh*t anyway?). A 72% "like" rating as a person....and a 48% "approval" rating as it pertains to the job he's doing. So what?!

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:22pm

Don't tell Fox News, but Obama's better liked than Reagan or W. Bush
From today's Wall Street Journal :
Both pollsters say Mr. Obama retains a strong reservoir of good will, considering the string of bad news that has buffeted his White House: 9.8% unemployment; the worst congressional losses for his party in a midterm election since 1946; continuing discontent with his signature health-care law; even the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. Fully 72% of Americans say they like the president personally, a reading well above those of Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan at this point in their presidencies.
In other words, Obama Derangement Syndrome, which dominates at Fox News and throughout the right-wing media, is not the norm. This obsessive desire to tear down Obama and present him as a monstrous man determined to destroy the United States from within (I'm looking at you Glenn Beck) is a distinctly radical view among Americans.

That's worth keeping in mind next time you tune into Fox News.

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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:08pm

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First off, let me say I agree with Knut about MSNBC.  Olbermann's commentaries can be good and insightful at times (heavy handed, but good nonetheless), but I quit watching because I couldn't stomach his ending segment about tacky people like the Octomom, Sarah Palin, Kate what's-her-name, Donald Trump, OJ Simpson, etc. However, I think MSNBC's demise started with them becoming as blatantly biased as Fox News.  That MSNBC morning show is such nonsense, but I think all of those morning shows are nonsense. 

Now about Fox's morning show: it started out promising with a diverse trio of co-anchors (an African American man, a scatterbrained blonde haired woman and a homosexual).  But behind that seemingly cheerful facade, the tone of that show was no better than that time spent around the water cooler with that terminally PO'd co-worker.  I've even seen the weather man on Fox make backhanded remarks about the president or Harry Reid.  I asked a regular viewer of the show about that.  His response was that they have been doing stuff like that for years on NBC.  Maybe so, but not to that degree.  I don't recall Willard Scott or Gene Shalit dissing Reagan or Bush while showing storm fronts or waxing about the latest Dudley Moore film.  

 musik_knut wrote:


With all that said, when a news story breaks, how is it that FOX sucks? When the Chilean miners were being rescued, FOX stayed on the story while MSNBC had drifted off to a story important to mostly liberals, meanwhile CNN floundered elsewhere.  

I think therein lies the secret of Fox's success.  Chilean miners have no bearing on how I make decisions in my life, impact the price of gasoline or shape policy where I live.  Yet some of us are drawn to things like that.  I think there is a specific demagraphic that they are trying to appeal to with such stories, a demagraphic more encompassing than just conservatives.  I'd be curious to know what that story was that was "important to mostly liberals".  I'd be willing to bet it was an issue that should be relevant to all voters/consumers/workers, but not near as sexy as rescuing people you've never met before in a continent south of here.  Sadly, most people are drawn to sensationalism, even moreso than information that has an impact on their day-to-day lives.  I think the only time I can recall Fox not covering a such a story was when Dick Cheney shot that guy in the face.  They even went so far as to say it wasn't that big of a deal, which I guess it wasn't, since that guy apologized to Cheney once the stitches were sown.

 

That was a time of greater civil demeanor, of a much less coarse Nation. And it was also a time when going snide could mean losing your job as a broadcaster or a talking head on the tube. Now, you can all but drop the F bomb in a comment and the only thing that interrupts some personal explosions on the air is a commercial break. Times change but not always for the better.
Covering the Chilean miners was simply a compelling human interest story and much of the world covered it. For reasons of their own, MSNBC and CNN gave updates while FOX fixated on the unfolding drama.
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Posted: Dec 16, 2010 - 3:00pm

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While I'm not trying to defend Olbermann's impartiality by any means, he probably stands atop the pile because you disagree with most of his views, relative to other commentators. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck would hold that post for me. In my opinion, they are the embodiment of what is wrong with Fox News and conservative talk radio; however, I'm sure I feel that way in part because I disagree with most of the beliefs and viewpoints they are pushing.

The problem I have with Fox is that it pushes opinionated viewpoints as "news". (I have only watched MSNBC a couple of times, but you may share the same complaint concerning their network.) If you're going to be opinionated and biased, just admit that you are. Don't give me a tagline of "fair and balanced" when you're anything but.

 

FAUX News, FIX News. That is how many of my friends on the other side see FOX News. The commentators are not the reporters, they are not in the field covering Katrina or Afghanistan or Congressional doings. FOX News, as I stated, uses the same sources, reports the same stories, especially those breaking stories. I don't listen to Mr. Beck and in particular, I despise Mr. Limbaugh. However, the few times I have heard their rants or comments, they paled in comparison to those of Mr. Olbermann who has recently shown a total lack of tolerance for views outside his own: he is now sniping at Mr. Obama when he once was one of Mr. Obama's more ardent and at times, man-crush defenders. In a forum now long forgotten, I said shortly after Mr. Obama won but was yet to be sworn in, that his greater opponents would be fellow Liberals. It might be taking that course for Mr. Obama.
The 'fair and balanced' is a calling card, one that leaves FOX open to criticism. But where does most of the criticism come from? Certainly not their viewership which is number one among the many. It's like the unfortunate tag 'America's Team' that is hung on The Dallas Cowboys: lots of folks seethe at that calling card. So the majority of the critics of FOX are what, Liberal? That does not mean 'fair and balanced' is a false tag *anymore than being numer uno in viewership means it's a worthy tag*.
I have never seen evidence that FOX lies. FOX lies. That suggest that that is all FOX does. If that be the case, then there must be buckets of evidence of lying. Lying where? In their commentaries which are afterall, opinion? In their field reports?

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