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Umberdog
Location: In my body. Gender:
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Sep 25, 2011 - 5:51pm |
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Until we have a just-ice system that makes no mistakes there shouldn't be death penalties. I seriously doubt the possibility of this kind of perfection, so I don't think a death penalty can ever be fair.
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cc_rider
Location: Bastrop Gender:
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Jul 21, 2011 - 8:11am |
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Proclivities wrote:I believe CC's comments were not in reference to this most recent execution; I think they were about the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, which took place in 2004. Yes, that is correct. The two most recent executions (one was last night), I feel a lot less conflicted about. I'm still against the death penalty, but I don't have a problem with those two scumbags being dead. See, that's the thing. I don't have nearly as much problem with the MORALITY of executing people, although I respect and agree with many of those arguments. Like that pesky 'Christian compassion': our illustrious Governor apparently missed a few Bible Study classes. My problem with capital punishment is in, sorry, the execution of justice. I am all for justice in the abstract, but the fact is, people make mistakes. Witness testimony is notoriously unreliable. HUNDREDS of people have been taken off Death Row by exculpatory evidence, most often DNA but witnesses also have recanted. The justice system is set up to get convictions, period. HOW they get convictions, well, that gets a little gray. And it's in that gray area where justice falls down. She is blind after all, she needs people to help her along. Peace. We needz it.
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katzendogs
Location: Pasadena ,Texas Gender:
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Jul 9, 2011 - 1:36pm |
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Proclivities wrote:I believe CC's comments were not in reference to this most recent execution; I think they were about the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, which took place in 2004. Oh. Oops. My bad.
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Proclivities
Location: Paris of the Piedmont Gender:
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Jul 9, 2011 - 4:52am |
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cc_rider wrote:I firmly believe the State of Texas and Governor Rick Perry committed murder. What's worse, they show absolutely zero remorse about it. katzendogs wrote: Perry wasn't the judge and jury. This kid was found with a 15" stick with a screw on the end in her vagina. what more do you want? He's dead and no one cares. I don't hear any family crying. No. I have no remorse. Nada. Zero. Zilch... I believe CC's comments were not in reference to this most recent execution; I think they were about the execution of Cameron Todd Willingham, which took place in 2004.
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katzendogs
Location: Pasadena ,Texas Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 5:51pm |
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cc_rider wrote:I firmly believe the State of Texas and Governor Rick Perry committed murder. What's worse, they show absolutely zero remorse about it.
Perry wasn't the judge and jury. This kid was found with a 15" stick with a screw on the end in her vagina. what more do you want? He's dead and no one cares. I don't hear any family crying. No. I have no remorse. Nada. Zero. Zilch...
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DaveInSaoMiguel
Location: No longer in a hovel in effluent Damnville, VA Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 8:48am |
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meower wrote:
So, i'm coming in here a little late, as I just heard about this this morning.... but I'm curious C since you're in Tx... NPR made it out as tho it wasnt clear that he was guilty, sounded like she'd been at a party and in pretty bad shape and was gang raped.... he claims that he was taking her home and she was ranting, got out of the car and "hit her head" on a rock.... his DNA wasnt found on her... is this the story? I know I should look it up.... it's been a long day. Here is more about the situation. There is no doubt he did it and he even admitted it just before he was executed. Mexican National Shouts 'Viva Mexico!' as He's Executed in Texas
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/07/07/white-house-seeks-delay-mexican-mans-execution-as-supreme-court-mulls-case/#ixzz1RWsSuRzV
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 8:48am |
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cc_rider wrote:I firmly believe the State of Texas and Governor Rick Perry committed murder. What's worse, they show absolutely zero remorse about it.
Just one of the many reasons that Rick Perry should never be president.
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cc_rider
Location: Bastrop Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 8:47am |
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romeotuma wrote:The issue is not really about the death penalty... the dude was an animal, so it is good that we were civilized about it and we chopped him into little pieces and fed him to the sharks...
the issue is that the little monster was not allowed to get any assistance from his home country— Mexico... we signed a treaty that says if a dude commits a crime in our country, he can get legal assistance from his home country... the issue is whether our unilateral response will put Americans in other countries in danger now... some say that other countries may now be less likely to allow USA legal aid to USA citizens accused of crimes in foreign countries...
I am just describing the issue— I don't have a position on it... I don't plan to commit crimes in foreign countries anytime soon, so this issue is not at the top of my list of priorities...
Yeah, that about sums it up. Thanks.
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cc_rider
Location: Bastrop Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 8:39am |
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hippiechick wrote:I followed that case, and that was really disgusting.
I firmly believe the State of Texas and Governor Rick Perry committed murder. What's worse, they show absolutely zero remorse about it.
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 8:35am |
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cc_rider wrote: Honestly I have no knowledge of the details of the case, his defense, any of that. What little I read indicated the evidence was clear, but you never know. Supposedly the evidence was clear in another case, an arson case, and a man was executed. Turns out the arson investigators had practically no real training. Forensic experts have established the burn patterns that supposedly indicated arson (accelerant) can also be created by regular household combustibles. The Governor impeded the investigation at every turn, going so far as to remove several board members and replace the chairman. Of course this was long after the man was executed, but still.
google 'Cameron Todd Willingham' and see how disgusted you become.
I followed that case, and that was really disgusting.
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cc_rider
Location: Bastrop Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 8:31am |
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meower wrote:So, i'm coming in here a little late, as I just heard about this this morning.... but I'm curious C since you're in Tx... NPR made it out as tho it wasnt clear that he was guilty, sounded like she'd been at a party and in pretty bad shape and was gang raped.... he claims that he was taking her home and she was ranting, got out of the car and "hit her head" on a rock.... his DNA wasnt found on her... is this the story? I know I should look it up.... it's been a long day.
Honestly I have no knowledge of the details of the case, his defense, any of that. What little I read indicated the evidence was clear, but you never know. Supposedly the evidence was clear in another case, an arson case, and a man was executed. Turns out the arson investigators had practically no real training. Forensic experts have established the burn patterns that supposedly indicated arson (accelerant) can also be created by regular household combustibles. The Governor impeded the investigation at every turn, going so far as to remove several board members and replace the chairman. Of course this was long after the man was executed, but still. google 'Cameron Todd Willingham' and see how disgusted you become.
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sirdroseph
Location: Not here, I tell you wat Gender:
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Jul 8, 2011 - 4:32am |
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meower wrote:
it's supposed to make you feel better....
Actually I think it was designed to make us feel worse or to cause trouble, that is how the media gets ratings and readership by causing controversy.
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Jul 7, 2011 - 7:10pm |
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katzendogs wrote:From what I've read so far, he has been executed. But the headlines read; Mexican Executed. Why did the media put it that way? In this case, I think its just the facts. Isn't he a Mexican Citizen? It would be the same as if they put it, Canadian Executed, etc. Granted, Mexican is a hot button word for the tea party and their ilk.
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meower
Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 5:22pm |
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katzendogs wrote:From what I've read so far, he has been executed. But the headlines read; Mexican Executed. Why did the media put it that way? it's supposed to make you feel better....
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meower
Location: i believe, i believe, it's silly, but I believe Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 5:21pm |
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cc_rider wrote: Apparently the whole thing is a mess. The guy had been in the U.S. practically all his life, apparently has mental issues and was abused himself. Certainly he had no idea he could contact the consulate, and the Texas authorities either were not aware of his citizenship, or didn't know the law, or didn't feel it necessary to tell him about it.
The guy is a monster, there is no doubt about that. I won't shed a tear over him. But that doesn't mean we should not follow the laws, including the international treaties we have agreed to.
So, i'm coming in here a little late, as I just heard about this this morning.... but I'm curious C since you're in Tx... NPR made it out as tho it wasnt clear that he was guilty, sounded like she'd been at a party and in pretty bad shape and was gang raped.... he claims that he was taking her home and she was ranting, got out of the car and "hit her head" on a rock.... his DNA wasnt found on her... is this the story? I know I should look it up.... it's been a long day.
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katzendogs
Location: Pasadena ,Texas Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 5:11pm |
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From what I've read so far, he has been executed. But the headlines read; Mexican Executed. Why did the media put it that way?
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hippiechick
Location: topsy turvy land Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 5:10pm |
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Proclivities wrote: To quote Phil Ochs' song "The Iron Lady": "...a rich man never died upon the chair". Just sayin'
There ain't no justice in the Justice system.
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Proclivities
Location: Paris of the Piedmont Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 5:06pm |
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katzendogs wrote: I will agree with you. Without money and especially if you are of color, you will most likely be assigned a public defender who has already passed judgment on your case. And that can be in any case in any state. Looks like a good read though.
To quote Phil Ochs' song "The Iron Lady": "...a rich man never died upon the chair". Just sayin'
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winter
Location: in exile, as always Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 5:02pm |
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katzendogs wrote: I will agree with you. Without money and especially if you are of color, you will most likely be assigned a public defender who has already passed judgment on your case. And that can be in any case in any state. Looks like a good read though.
It's good, but depressing. He basically tells each client he's going to do everything possible for them (and he does), but that they shouldn't get their hopes up because the odds are a million to one in favor of them getting executed as planned. They all cling to that tiny sliver of hope, of course. And he tries to go on with his life and his work knowing how hopeless it is most of the time.
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katzendogs
Location: Pasadena ,Texas Gender:
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Jul 7, 2011 - 4:54pm |
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winter wrote:I read a book recently called The Autobiography of an Execution by David R. Dow. The author is an attorney in Texas who specializes in death sentence appeals. Apparently a lot of the people on Death Row in Texas had extremely poor representation at trial - attorneys getting drunk during the trial, attorneys falling asleep in court, attorneys not cross-examining witnesses or investigating their clients' case at all. But since these issues aren't new evidence, they're not enough to overturn the verdict. It's an eye-opening book. There are times when viscerally I just want a criminal to die for what he's done - child molesters, rapists, particularly brutal murderers. But I have serious doubts about whether that's justice or vengeance. It doesn't seem to be deterring anyone from committing crimes. And if a criminal knows he's going to be executed for what he's done, why wouldn't he just go on a big spree, then shoot it out with the cops when they catch him and go out in a blaze of glory? What's to stop him from being the worst, most violent nightmare in the prison system and killing a few of his fellow inmates and maybe some prison guards? The more I think about it, the less sense the death penalty makes to me. I will agree with you. Without money and especially if you are of color, you will most likely be assigned a public defender who has already passed judgment on your case. And that can be in any case in any state. Looks like a good read though.
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