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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 5:03pm



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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 4:01pm

Zelensky Steps Up Call For More Western Weaponry, But Admits US Troops There Means WW3

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"...understands it's impossible to force Russia completely from Ukrainian territory, would lead to third world war."

SUN MAR 27, AT 3:50 PM
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 3:41pm

 kcar wrote:


Sorry, no. You claim to have personally selected this link which was dangerous. Your credibility with me is at zero. I regard you as a troll.


I regard you as a troll
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 2:59pm

 kcar wrote:


Sorry, no. You claim to have personally selected this link which was dangerous. Your credibility with me is at zero. I regard you as a troll.


Join the club.
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Posted: Mar 27, 2022 - 2:55pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:


Google on Duck Duck Go this phrase, you can see it in the top of the list 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ukraine+fighters+are+bombing+civilians+max+blumenthal+grayzone&ia=web

This looks like the original, Don't go to those others, they are sketchy, I agree, this one I've heard of before

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/



Sorry, no. You claim to have personally selected this link which was dangerous. Your credibility with me is at zero. I regard you as a troll.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 7:00pm

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Sketchy sites are bad!   I can handle info but not popups and malware.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:59pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:
I re-searched it on the Internetz!!!1!


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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:55pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Also from "Planet Today"... a sterling source of accurate information.


Not a good site, agreed
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:46pm

 kcar wrote:


I clicked on your $@#! link and got bombed with phishing attempts. Last time I take you seriously.


Google on Duck Duck Go this phrase, you can see it in the top of the list 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Ukraine+fighters+are+bombing+civilians+max+blumenthal+grayzone&ia=web

This looks like the original, Don't go to those others, they are sketchy, I agree, this one I've heard of before

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/

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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:45pm

 kcar wrote:


I clicked on your $@#! link and got bombed with phishing attempts. Last time I take you seriously.


The article I provided did not and does not have any popups, I just checked it (edit - eeek, yes it is bad, don't use, I have provided a duck duck go search above)

However, the article provided by Red_Dragon did have weird popups. But it was not what I provided.

The one I provided was the second or third top pick in Duck Duck Go

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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 6:40pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:


Lol

although all i did was Google the phrase in the question and that's what duck duck go served up as the second pick

All the media has been lying for years about the Hunter Biden Laptop, so got to go to Planet Today or whatever for some alternate viewpoints


I clicked on your $@#! link and got bombed with phishing attempts. Last time I take you seriously.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 4:41pm

 Red_Dragon wrote:
Also from "Planet Today"... a sterling source of accurate information.


Lol

although all i did was Google the phrase in the question and that's what duck duck go served up as the second pick

All the media has been lying for years about the Hunter Biden Laptop, so got to go to Planet Today or whatever for some alternate viewpoints

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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 4:18pm

Also from "Planet Today"... a sterling source of accurate information.
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 3:56pm

 kcar wrote:


“The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors”

Do you have evidence of this or do you have as Lazy8 put it a colorful history of making shit up?


Many articles about that, you can read and decide if you believe it



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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 3:25pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:


Eastern Ukraine and Crimea "in the end" will likely end up in the fully-Russian sphere

The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors

That is one reality

On another front of reality, 

If Putin keeps this going then he will make it unacceptable to save face, Europe will cut ties economically and that will harm Russia people who like the middle class lifestyle (and elite lifestyle).  So he may "win the war" in Eastern Ukraine but lose the nation's backing because it will become ostracized like North Korea

I don't see any Russian coup or succession plan, so this could continue for a long time


“The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors”

Do you have evidence of this or do you have as Lazy8 put it a colorful history of making shit up?
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Posted: Mar 26, 2022 - 2:22pm

Dmitri A. Medvedev, the former Russian president and vice chairman of Russia’s Security Council, said the country was prepared to use nuclear weapons against the United States and Europe if its existence was threatened, the latest instance of nuclear saber-rattling as Russia faces fierce resistance in Ukraine.

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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 9:50pm

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Widely read? I might have doubled readership with my click. And now I feel a little dirty.

Better representative of the situation? This is a good snapshot of the situation. This one focuses on military aspects. But I want to point out some obvious flaws in the article you linked.

Putin has stated repeatedly that his objective is to reabsorb Ukraine into some kind of Greater Russia, and that Ukraine is a fictional entity (that his predecessors nonetheless signed a treaty with, recognizing it as a separate state and recognizing their shared border). A month into an invasion with the full might of the Russian military behind it Russia controls less than half the ground and Ukraine continues to fight.

This is all presaged by the continued fighting over eastern Ukraine, which Russian-backed militias were still contesting 8 years into the conflict.

If a further goal was to intimidate the rest of Europe that has failed spectacularly; even Finland is considering joining NATO. Little early to take that victory lap.


Eastern Ukraine and Crimea "in the end" will likely end up in the fully-Russian sphere

The Ukraine fighters are bombing civilians there, preventing use of the escape corridors

That is one reality

On another front of reality, 

If Putin keeps this going then he will make it unacceptable to save face, Europe will cut ties economically and that will harm Russia people who like the middle class lifestyle (and elite lifestyle).  So he may "win the war" in Eastern Ukraine but lose the nation's backing because it will become ostracized like North Korea

I don't see any Russian coup or succession plan, so this could continue for a long time
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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 9:39pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:
It's widely read and discussed, what is in that piece has many good points worthy of review.

perhaps you could post something that you feel better reflects the current situation?

Widely read? I might have doubled readership with my click. And now I feel a little dirty.

Better representative of the situation? This is a good snapshot of the situation. This one focuses on military aspects. But I want to point out some obvious flaws in the article you linked.

Putin has stated repeatedly that his objective is to reabsorb Ukraine into some kind of Greater Russia, and that Ukraine is a fictional entity (that his predecessors nonetheless signed a treaty with, recognizing it as a separate state and recognizing their shared border). A month into an invasion with the full might of the Russian military behind it Russia controls less than half the ground and Ukraine continues to fight.

This is all presaged by the continued fighting over eastern Ukraine, which Russian-backed militias were still contesting 8 years into the conflict.

If a further goal was to intimidate the rest of Europe that has failed spectacularly; even Finland is considering joining NATO. Little early to take that victory lap.
Animal-Farm

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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 4:54pm

 Lazy8 wrote:

So why are you posting it?


It's widely read and discussed, what is in that piece has many good points worthy of review.

perhaps you could post something that you feel better reflects the current situation?
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Posted: Mar 23, 2022 - 4:17pm

 Animal-Farm wrote:
Trained by the CIA in disinformation and he's turned it into a full-time career.

naked capitalism linked to the story and the one below it by Gilbert Doctorow might have been in the comments. 

Might be useful when building a crazy yarn wall

So why are you posting it?
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