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Posted: Dec 24, 2020 - 8:59am



 miamizsun wrote:

shameless bump
 

Love= 12 15 22 5 =54
Hate= 8 1 20 5 =34

Love wins again
any way you play
any way you pay
any day you say
Love wins again...
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Posted: Dec 24, 2020 - 8:04am

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one of these is better than the other
 
shameless bump
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:59am



 miamizsun wrote:


what's your shirt size?    
{#Lol}
 

XL 
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:37am

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 miamizsun wrote:

i work with this guy  {#Lol}
 
I AM that guy.

 

what's your shirt size?    {#Lol}
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:20am



 Red_Dragon wrote:


 miamizsun wrote:

i work with this guy  
{#Lol}
 
I AM that guy.

 
   


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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 9:12am



 miamizsun wrote:

i work with this guy  
{#Lol}
 
I AM that guy.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 8:36am


i work with this guy  {#Lol}
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Posted: Jul 30, 2019 - 7:47am

one of these is better than the other
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Posted: Apr 10, 2019 - 7:39am

....aaaand a good chunk of the SPLC leadership has resigned.

The Southern Poverty Law Center Is Both a Terrible Place to Work and a Place That Does Terrible Work

Top executives are departing amidst reports of racial and sexual harassment.

Controversy has struck the Southern Poverty Law Center, the formidable progressive law firm best known for tracking hate groups in the U.S. Co-founder Morris Dees, President Richard Cohen, and other top executives are exiting the organization amidst a staff uprising over alleged sexual and racial harassment in the work place.

The leadership shakeup, fueled by allegations that black staffers were shut out of key positions and that Dees personally harassed female staffers, has brought the SPLC considerable media scrutiny, and it's about time. Regardless of whether these specific accusations have merit, the SPLC should face a reckoning over its extremely shoddy work, which has mistakenly promoted the idea that fringe hate groups are a rising threat.

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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 8:57pm

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An awful lot of people here? A bit of a hyperbole, n'est pas? Oh, and a nice ad lib too. I like the "personal touch."

Les mots que vous cherchez sont "ad hominem", je pense.

And no I don't think so, but I'll leave a perusing of the forum as an exercise to the reader. And regular posters here (and you're as regular a poster as we have) drip hatred, just generally not directed at protected classes.

The FBI is only relevant for its similarity. Similarity doesn't require something to be identical (in purpose). Vilification (even within the bounds of legality) is sufficient for the SPLC. Not for the FBI: "Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."

I'm quite grateful the SPLC could only directly damage my reputation (and indirectly put me at risk for one of their fans to decide I'm fair game) and not put me in prison. I'm rather fond of the freedom of speech and civil liberties. That used to be a priority at SPLC as well.

If opposing a policy goal of some group is vilification then anyone who has an opinion is guilty; opposing gay marriage was enough to get a group on their list. Well, a group that couldn't effectively fight back anyway. They didn't list, say, the LDS church.

I don't think any pragmatic organization is interested in being sued into oblivion, regardless of principles.

Half a gigabuck in the bank means they aren't going to be sued anywhere near oblivion even if they lost, and defamation suits by people deemed public figures are notoriously hard to prove. They are, after all, pretty successful lawyers.

Good enough lawyers that they didn't want to subject themselves to the discovery process and what it might reveal about them. After caving on the Nawaz case they quietly scrapped their entire Journalist's Manual: Field Guide to Anti-Muslim Extremists project.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 2:43pm

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Well that's a relief, otherwise an awful lot of people here would be hate groups. You included.

The FBI definition of hate crime involves motive...for a crime. If the organizations they list aren't advocating criminal conduct the FBI definition isn't relevant.

Most definitions of hate groups hinge on advocacy of violence. SPLC lumps in political advocacy with its definitions because it pumps up the numbers and makes for a better headline. And they have occasionally (when facing someone with deep enough pockets to sue them for libel) backed off; hardly a principled position when you consider how deep their own pockets are.
 
An awful lot of people here? A bit of a hyperbole, n'est pas? Oh, and a nice ad lib too. I like the "personal touch."

The FBI is only relevant for its similarity. Similarity doesn't require something to be identical (in purpose). Vilification (even within the bounds of legality) is sufficient for the SPLC. Not for the FBI: "Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties."

I don't think any pragmatic organization is interested in being sued into oblivion, regardless of principles.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 1:57pm

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What is a hate group?

The Southern Poverty Law Center defines a hate group as an organization that – based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities – has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. We do  not list individuals as hate groups, only organizations.

The organizations on our hate group list vilify others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity – prejudices that strike at the heart of our democratic values and fracture society along its most fragile fault lines.

The FBI uses similar criteria in its definition of a hate crime:
(A) criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.
We define a “group” as an entity that has a process through which followers identify themselves as being part of the group. This may involve donating, paying membership dues or participating in activities such as meetings and rallies. Individual chapters of a larger organization are each counted separately, because the number indicates reach and organizing activity.


Well that's a relief
, otherwise an awful lot of people here would be hate groups. You included.

The FBI definition of hate crime involves motive...for a crime. If the organizations they list aren't advocating criminal conduct the FBI definition isn't relevant.

Most definitions of hate groups hinge on advocacy of violence. SPLC lumps in political advocacy with its definitions because it pumps up the numbers and makes for a better headline. And they have occasionally (when facing someone with deep enough pockets to sue them for libel) backed off; hardly a principled position when you consider how deep their own pockets are.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2019 - 11:35am

What is a hate group?

The Southern Poverty Law Center defines a hate group as an organization that – based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities – has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. We do  not list individuals as hate groups, only organizations.

The organizations on our hate group list vilify others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity – prejudices that strike at the heart of our democratic values and fracture society along its most fragile fault lines.

The FBI uses similar criteria in its definition of a hate crime:
(A) criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.
We define a “group” as an entity that has a process through which followers identify themselves as being part of the group. This may involve donating, paying membership dues or participating in activities such as meetings and rallies. Individual chapters of a larger organization are each counted separately, because the number indicates reach and organizing activity.

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Posted: Feb 21, 2019 - 7:56am

R_P wrote:
Seems to me they can count any way they want, as long as they can justify it, do it consistently, and are open about it. The same for their definition of a hate group.

Yep, they're free to squander the credibility of their organization as they please. It just undercuts the very important work they used to do.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 - 3:21pm

 Lazy8 wrote:
R_P wrote:

SPLC (the source of that number) has some serious credibility problems with their reporting. They count a lot of groups more than once, count local chapters as separate groups, and have a rather...flexible definition of a "hate group."

This critique is three years old but they haven't changed their methods.
 
Seems to me they can count any way they want, as long as they can justify it, do it consistently, and are open about it. The same for their definition of a hate group.

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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 - 3:04pm

R_P wrote:

SPLC (the source of that number) has some serious credibility problems with their reporting. They count a lot of groups more than once, count local chapters as separate groups, and have a rather...flexible definition of a "hate group."

This critique is three years old but they haven't changed their methods.
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Posted: Feb 20, 2019 - 11:10am

Number of hate groups hits 20-year high amid rise in white supremacy, report finds
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Posted: Nov 8, 2018 - 6:03pm

How a traumatized America finds relief in hate
(...) The connecting line between addiction and hate, according to Maté, is trauma. "What happened in Pittsburgh is a manifestation of trauma," Maté told the Inquirer. "There is no mass killer who wasn't a traumatized person."

Trauma is not foreign to Maté. He was born in Budapest to Jewish parents a month before the Nazi occupation of Hungary in 1944. His grandparents were killed in Auschwitz and his father was sent to forced labor. For his safety, his mother decided to give him to a Christian stranger. They were separated for a few weeks. Family members were eventually reunited and made their way to Canada. He became a physician, treating people in addiction on the eastside of downtown Vancouver, the drug-use capital of North America. During this time, he was a workaholic, depressed, and addicted to purchasing classical-music CDs, once spending as much as $8,000 on music in one week.

Just like addiction — to drugs or classic music — provides relief to people who were traumatized as children, so does hate.

People like the shooter from Pittsburgh have, according to Maté, "anger (that) has got nothing to do with what they think they are angry about. They are just angry because of what life has done to them as children and then they find external targets." Politics plays a role, too. "It will give them a target and an explanation to their rage and an outlet to express their rage," and "adds more and more fuel to direct their violence toward certain groups," he says. (...)

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Posted: Apr 8, 2018 - 1:59pm

The Power of Hate and Fear

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W.J. Astore

Who are we supposed to hate today?  The Russians for allegedly throwing the presidential election?  The Chinese for allegedly stealing our jobs?  The North Koreans for allegedly planning our nuclear destruction?  The Iranians for allegedly working to acquire nuclear weapons?  The “axis of evil” for being, well, evil?

President Franklin Delano Roosevelt famously told Americans that the only thing they had to fear is fear itself.  However, recent American presidents have encouraged us to fear everything.  Let’s not forget the stoking of fear by people like Condoleezza Rice and her image of a smoking gun morphing into a nuclear mushroom cloud.  That image helped to propel America into a disastrous war in Iraq in 2003 that festers still.

One of the most powerful scenes I’ve seen in any movie came in the adaptation of George Orwell’s 1984.  The film version begins with the “two minutes of hate” directed against various (imagined) enemies.  Check it out.  Doubleplusgood!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KeX5OZr0A4

Especially disturbing is the rant against Goldstein, the enemy within.  Here I think of Donald Trump claiming that the Democrats are anti-military for not rubberstamping his budget, a dishonest as well as ridiculous charge, since both parties support high military spending.  Indeed, high Pentagon spending is the one bipartisan area of agreement in Congress.

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The top tweet is typical of Trump: Accusing Democrats of not caring about “our” troops

This is among the biggest problems in America today: the stoking of hate against the enemy within, e.g. “illegal” immigrants (rapists, gang members, killers, according to our president), Democrats who allegedly don’t support our military, rival politicians who should be “locked up,” protesters who should be punched and kicked and otherwise silenced, high school students who are dismissed as phonies and professional actors, and on and on.

Irrational fear is nothing new to America, of course.  Consider the fear of communism that produced red scares after World Wars I and II.  Consider how fears of the spread of communism led to criminal intervention in Southeast Asia and the death of millions of people there.  Massive bombing, free-fire artillery zones, the profligate use of defoliants like Agent Orange, the prolongation of war without any regard for the suffering of peoples in SE Asia: that behavior constituted a crime of murderous intensity that was in part driven by hatred and fear.

And when hatred and fear are linked to tribalism and a xenophobic form of patriotism, murderous war becomes almost a certainty.  When the zealots of hate are screaming for blood, it’s very hard to hear appeals for peace based on compassion and reason.

Anger, fear, aggression: that way leads to the dark side, as Yoda, that Jedi master, warned us.  Hate too, Yoda says, must be resisted, lest one be consumed by it.  Sure, he’s just an imaginary character in the “Star Wars” universe, but that doesn’t negate the truth of his message.

God is love, the Christian religion says.  Why then are we so open to hate and fear?


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Posted: Dec 13, 2017 - 3:18pm

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or Crimbo. Hobo Pudding Pants for all!

 
gotta love the puddin' hammock!  ;^)
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