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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 8:18pm

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Trump was making a case for peaceful coexistence with North Korea;
 
Seems to me the dotard had plenty of time to achieve that, esp. with him having these legendary negotiation skills (slick video, Don!). Of course, reality is a little different.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 7:59pm

I came in late to the debate.  Trump was making a case for peaceful coexistence with North Korea; Biden would not talk to them unless a certain number of conditions were met.

Well, for a few minutes, in the arena of foreign policy, I found myself sympathising more with Trump than Biden.   After that....


Did somebody put Trump on a leash?  He was almost well behaved.    Donald J.  Trump — whipped by a mute button.   
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 6:17pm



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I’d pity you but you’re not worth it.  I’d pray for you but you don’t have a soul to save. I’d get angry with you but you’re attempts to goad me are transparently pathetic.  I’d debate you but you lack the substance to articulate intelligently. I’d add more here but this all the keystrokes I’ll waste on on you.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 5:11pm

Is nuclear war coming!?!!   How will Trumpesque America survive such an event?  

If you thought COVID-19 was harsh on iffy health outcomes, wait till a few atomic weapons get detonated in the atmosphere.  
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 4:51pm

The Biden ‘Family Legacy’

What we learned from the text messages of Hunter’s partner Tony Bobulinski.


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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 4:35pm



 davidharper wrote:
Problem is everyone who supports Trump can't be a moron. I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be? It seems obvious to me that Trump is a coward and a liar. But still, people I know well enough to know that they're not idiots support him. There's something very primal going on here. Something that goes much deeper than politics.
 

This is something to remember, because chanting “they’re all idiots” means your premise is wrong, and we don’t listen after that. My older brother (not blood related, because adoption) is the world expert on Siamese Fighting Fish genetics, as well as speaking Russian, having a degree in psychology, building dulcimers from scratch, having a national chess ranking, growing bonsai, repairing clarinets, and teaching science...and an avid Trump supporter. 
I love the guy dearly, and he’s my favorite example of why it’s wrong to say that stupidity is the common thread through that group of Trump-positive people.

What I believe it really is, is a combination of feeling threatened by a loss of how “Americans” live due to more and more non-whites having an influence, plus the idea of “they’re talking all my stuff” which is threatening. After all, looking at a system that lets people live off handouts instead of working, I can see how there’s some validity there - and that’s what Democrats represent to them. 
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 4:22pm

Ba Ba Ba Bobulinski sinking the Bidens now, live on tv - well, some networks yes, others are ignoring it!

Biden family friend to Tony Bobulinski: if you go public you’ll “bury us all.”

(Beach Boys - Barbara Ann for those who can't hear the music)

Watch for the vid clips of Tony Bobulinski confirming Joe's involvement.

Joe is done.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 3:25pm

 KarmaKarma wrote:


 davidharper wrote:
Problem is everyone who supports Trump can't be a moron. I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be? It seems obvious to me that Trump is a coward and a liar. But still, people I know well enough to know that they're not idiots support him. There's something very primal going on here. Something that goes much deeper than politics.
 
Have you considered at all that it may be your understanding of Trump that is in error?

 
"The secret of the Demagogue is to make himself as stupid as his audience so that they believe they are as clever as he is."
Barbara Kruger
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 1:23pm

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NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Well, you're ignoring two cases here:

1. The single person political party (and yes there is nothing stopping you forming your own one person party)
2. Candidature in an electorate (which doesn't require party affiliation IIRC).
Not so cold out there after all. But if you insist on not having any supporters, I guess, yes, it could be a bit chilly at night. You could still get elected though - theoretically.

1. Ignored on purpose because
  1a It's illegal in many cases here
  1b The overhead required makes it impractical

I'm neck-deep in partisan politics (which means I really shouldn't be here doing this but I'm waiting for a 'puter to reboot after a driver update and as long as I ignore the login prompt I'm not really slacking, am I?) so I have a basic understanding of what is required to start and run a political party. Because I helped start and and run a political party.

Complying with the regulations (worse in my state than some others) takes a lot of time and effort, and is subject to arbitrary and draconian enforcement depending on who sees you as a threat. In many cases the structure of party leadership is dictated by state law, and where I live it requires a certain number of people be assigned to a certain number of posts regardless of what structure your party would prefer. So a 1-person party? Not possible, at least not possible to participate in the process as a party. Add the effort of campaigning (and fundraising, and complying with campaign finance law) (don't get me started) and there aren't enough hours in the day even if you flavor your coffee with crystal meth.

2. Not talking about candidates, talking about voters. An awful lot feel no particular affection for any party. Many feel such visceral disgust for the current system that they don't participate at all. Choose red or blue, or stay home! Many choose the latter option.
 
{#Lol}  No, of course not.. just like me, hard at work. 

Re 1) Ideally, of course, it would be great to have something like an ancient Greek forum where we could all go down in our togas to hammer out public policy without any parties taking root. Having read the Persian Fire from Tom Holland recently, I discovered that democracy in ancient Greece was 1) not very widespread and 2) stumbled into by accident and 3) fraught with family affiliations. But the lure remains. It just isn't very realistic in a pluralistic society. You will always have groups of free-thinking individuals banding together to promote some kind of common cause unless you actively prohibit it (like we prohibit price-fixing I guess).

Nevertheless, you could lower the barriers for the one-person party by removing the paper work. This is after all, just a technicality. So your objection is not based on principle, but on the technicalities.

Re 2) here I don't follow you either. Voter disaffection is firmly rooted in the current system. So why not change the system? Maybe those voters would come out and support an independent candidate? MMP is a solution here, not a cause. Using the failings of the old system to damn the new system before it has a chance doesn't make much sense. 
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 12:52pm

NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
Well, you're ignoring two cases here:

1. The single person political party (and yes there is nothing stopping you forming your own one person party)
2. Candidature in an electorate (which doesn't require party affiliation IIRC).
Not so cold out there after all. But if you insist on not having any supporters, I guess, yes, it could be a bit chilly at night. You could still get elected though - theoretically.

1. Ignored on purpose because
  1a It's illegal in many cases here
  1b The overhead required makes it impractical

I'm neck-deep in partisan politics (which means I really shouldn't be here doing this but I'm waiting for a 'puter to reboot after a driver update and as long as I ignore the login prompt I'm not really slacking, am I?) so I have a basic understanding of what is required to start and run a political party. Because I helped start and and run a political party.

Complying with the regulations (worse in my state than some others) takes a lot of time and effort, and is subject to arbitrary and draconian enforcement depending on who sees you as a threat. In many cases the structure of party leadership is dictated by state law, and where I live it requires a certain number of people be assigned to a certain number of posts regardless of what structure your party would prefer. So a 1-person party? Not possible, at least not possible to participate in the process as a party. Add the effort of campaigning (and fundraising, and complying with campaign finance law) (don't get me started) and there aren't enough hours in the day even if you flavor your coffee with crystal meth.

2. Not talking about candidates, talking about voters. An awful lot feel no particular affection for any party. Many feel such visceral disgust for the current system that they don't participate at all. Choose red or blue, or stay home! Many choose the latter option.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 12:49pm

BREAKING: Tony Bobulinski to be @realDonaldTrump special guest at tonight’s debate

TROLL LEVEL 4000 !

lmao
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 12:45pm

 rgio wrote:


 davidharper wrote:
Problem is everyone who supports Trump can't be a moron. I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be? It seems obvious to me that Trump is a coward and a liar. But still, people I know well enough to know that they're not idiots support him. There's something very primal going on here. Something that goes much deeper than politics.
 
A friend of mine made a statement a few weeks ago.  Those who support Trump are Stupid, Racist, or Selfish.  They can more than one, but there is at least one of those ideas leading the way.  If you engage in a casual, non-combative conversation with a supporter, those items will appear as the drivers of the positions taken.

I know exactly how you feel.  One of Trump's judicial nominees was my best friend for decades and is now my brother-in-law.  Best man in each other's weddings.  Godfather to my daughter.  He's obviously not stupid (3 degrees), but he is definitely selfish.  The negatives you see and ignore when young....and over time the cracks get wider and wider.

Per him, the virus is overhyped as a political tool, the Russia and Ukraine issues aren't a hoax, but they're just SOP if you knew what was going on everywhere else, and there is no such thing as systemic racism.   I honestly don't know who he is when he starts talking.  The more times this happens, the more I appreciate how complicated everyone's lives are, how isolated we've become even though we communicate more, and how if you know and understand at least one other person in the world (and they understand you), you're luckier than most.

 
"... and they all moved away from me on the Group W bench"  / just kidding.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 12:25pm



 davidharper wrote:
Problem is everyone who supports Trump can't be a moron. I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be? It seems obvious to me that Trump is a coward and a liar. But still, people I know well enough to know that they're not idiots support him. There's something very primal going on here. Something that goes much deeper than politics.
 
A friend of mine made a statement a few weeks ago.  Those who support Trump are Stupid, Racist, or Selfish.  They can more than one, but there is at least one of those ideas leading the way.  If you engage in a casual, non-combative conversation with a supporter, those items will appear as the drivers of the positions taken.

I know exactly how you feel.  One of Trump's judicial nominees was my best friend for decades and is now my brother-in-law.  Best man in each other's weddings.  Godfather to my daughter.  He's obviously not stupid (3 degrees), but he is definitely selfish.  The negatives you see and ignore when young....and over time the cracks get wider and wider.

Per him, the virus is overhyped as a political tool, the Russia and Ukraine issues aren't a hoax, but they're just SOP if you knew what was going on everywhere else, and there is no such thing as systemic racism.   I honestly don't know who he is when he starts talking.  The more times this happens, the more I appreciate how complicated everyone's lives are, how isolated we've become even though we communicate more, and how if you know and understand at least one other person in the world (and they understand you), you're luckier than most.

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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:57am



 davidharper wrote:
Problem is everyone who supports Trump can't be a moron. I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be? It seems obvious to me that Trump is a coward and a liar. But still, people I know well enough to know that they're not idiots support him. There's something very primal going on here. Something that goes much deeper than politics.
 
Have you considered at all that it may be your understanding of Trump that is in error?

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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:20am



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

I'd buy that. Not sure it has to be a revolution. That sounds awfully like what the Proud Boys would say. What about bog standard reform? 
 

Whoa! let's not get us mixed up with the Proud boys!... I'm just saying that the original constitution gives the people the right to have a "do over"...and I feel we need one.
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:17am

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 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Ha, I wouldn't bet on it. But I started the discussion based on the realisation that Trump is not a cause but a manifestation of a sick system. Entrenched abuse of power by the Democrats would equally be a manifestation of it as well. In some ways the bizarre behaviour of the Republicans and their about face with regards to Trump in the 2016 election can best be explained by a party that is desperate to maintain power, precisely because it feels it slipping away.

If anything comes out of this period of American politics it is that the system needs tweaking. It is not working in the best interests of the American people. Feely free anyone to prove me wrong.
 
Forgive me if I am wrong but I believe it was the original intent of our for-fathers when they enacted the constitution that within that text it gave Americans the privilege and right as well as a duty to uphold the ORIGINAL tenants of that body of work....meaning, if the current government is NOT working for the good of the people then the people need to remove that said government and begin again as to ensure that the voice of the people is represented accurately and fairly.
My vote is for revolution in terms of removing the current party structure for a governance that would actually work for the good of it's people... just my two cents worth.
Run with it!

 
I'd buy that. Not sure it has to be a revolution. That sounds awfully like what the Proud Boys would say. What about bog standard reform? 
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:10am

 davidharper wrote:
I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be?
 
Get your brother to do a DNA test...
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:08am



 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Ha, I wouldn't bet on it. But I started the discussion based on the realisation that Trump is not a cause but a manifestation of a sick system. Entrenched abuse of power by the Democrats would equally be a manifestation of it as well. In some ways the bizarre behaviour of the Republicans and their about face with regards to Trump in the 2016 election can best be explained by a party that is desperate to maintain power, precisely because it feels it slipping away.

If anything comes out of this period of American politics it is that the system needs tweaking. It is not working in the best interests of the American people. Feely free anyone to prove me wrong.
 
Forgive me if I am wrong but I believe it was the original intent of our for-fathers when they enacted the constitution that within that text it gave Americans the privilege and right as well as a duty to uphold the ORIGINAL tenants of that body of work....meaning, if the current government is NOT working for the good of the people then the people need to remove that said government and begin again as to ensure that the voice of the people is represented accurately and fairly.
My vote is for revolution in terms of removing the current party structure for a governance that would actually work for the good of it's people... just my two cents worth.
Run with it!

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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:03am

 cc_rider wrote:


 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

Ha, I wouldn't bet on it. But I started the discussion based on the realisation that Trump is not a cause but a manifestation of a sick system. Entrenched abuse of power by the Democrats would equally be a manifestation of it as well. In some ways the bizarre behaviour of the Republicans and their about face with regards to Trump in the 2016 election can best be explained by a party that is desperate to maintain power, precisely because it feels it slipping away.

If anything comes out of this period of American politics it is that the system needs tweaking. It is not working in the best interests of the American people, except for the exceptionally wealthy. Feely free anyone to prove me wrong.
 Hope you don't mind my addendum...
c .

 
+1
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Posted: Oct 22, 2020 - 11:02am

Problem is everyone who supports Trump can't be a moron. I despise him but my brother loves him. How can this be? It seems obvious to me that Trump is a coward and a liar. But still, people I know well enough to know that they're not idiots support him. There's something very primal going on here. Something that goes much deeper than politics.
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