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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 9:33pm

 buddy wrote:


 kurtster wrote:
I knew you were going there. You are simply a brain dead a$$hole, hell bent on f*cking with me for your personal amusement and to try and push my buttons enough to go off the rails to get DD'ed here. Same as always as you have stalked me on these boards for years. I really do rent space your head for free.

I am an optician and have never said otherwise. That you confuse my profession with ophthalmology is beyond belief especially with your father having been an MD, IIRC.
 
There you go, it's all about you, the poor victim. Your problem is you love to prod & provoke but you can't take it like you give it.  How ironic that as an optician you can't see that.

Soooooo tired of your act. Tough luck if you don't like it.


I was responding to two separate and unfounded accusations of being called an outright liar and defending myself.  I started nothing. Just tried to finish it.

So you fully support islander.  Good to know.  I will now treat you accordingly.

Don't bother me and I won't bother you.  If you do initiate any contact with me at all going forward I will assume you are simply trolling or bullying based on your support of islander's actions towards me.  Yeah, I know that you don't care, but I said it anyway.

Later, much ...
buddy

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 9:20pm



 BillG wrote:
 Oh, man. Chill. Just chill.

Maybe it's time for a no-politics policy here.



Oh, man - it's way past time.  And I'm as much to blame as anyone. 

I pledge that I'll up my monthly donation  x5 in exchange for a no-politics policy. Maybe more. Seriously, not kidding.

Who will match me?

And a major one-time cash dump for a "Block" feature.  Guaranteed. 

buddy

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 9:15pm



 kurtster wrote:
I knew you were going there. You are simply a brain dead a$$hole, hell bent on f*cking with me for your personal amusement and to try and push my buttons enough to go off the rails to get DD'ed here. Same as always as you have stalked me on these boards for years. I really do rent space your head for free.

I am an optician and have never said otherwise. That you confuse my profession with ophthalmology is beyond belief especially with your father having been an MD, IIRC.
 
There you go, it's all about you, the poor victim. Your problem is you love to prod & provoke but you can't take it like you give it.  How ironic that as an optician you can't see that.

Soooooo tired of your act. Tough luck if you don't like it.

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 7:18pm

There can be no other explanations, because these people know the "real world." 
rgio

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 7:09pm

Sidney Powell was held up as a legal legend who would lend credibility to a campaign that desperately needed it.  Below is one of her filings in Michigan...that included a sworn affidavit of election fraud.

westslope

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 1:16pm



 R_P wrote:
There's always (the specter of) Weimar...
 
Pasted:

By the time of the Treaty of Versailles the following year, the myth was already well established. The harsh conditions imposed by the Allies, including painful reparation payments, burnished the sense of betrayal. It was especially incomprehensible that Germany, in just a couple of years, had gone from one of the world’s most respected nations to its biggest loser.

WW I begat -> Treaty of Versailles which begat -> WW II and so much glorious fun!  
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 1:00pm

 R_P wrote:
There's always (the specter of) Weimar...
 
That is an excellent article. Tallies well with what I know about my adopted country.

The biggest fear I have is that the internet has created conflicting bubble-domain realities that no longer communicate with each other but nevertheless fight to occupy the same public space. This cannot end well.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 1:00pm

#stopthestupid
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 10:23am

There's always (the specter of) Weimar...
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 10:05am

Most Republicans Say They Doubt the Election. How Many Really Mean It?
Survey research tries to sort out the typical partisan reactions to a loss from an erosion of trust that may be more lasting.
Since the election, surveys have consistently found that about 70 percent to 80 percent of Republicans don’t buy the results. They don’t agree that Joe Biden won fair and square. They say the election was rigged. And they say enough fraud occurred to tip the outcome.

Those numbers sound alarmingly high, and they imply that the overwhelming majority of people in one political party in America doubt the legitimacy of a presidential election. But the reality is more complicated, political scientists say. Research has shown that the answers that partisans (on the left as well as on the right) give to political questions often reflect not what they know as fact, but what they wish were true. Or what they think they should say. (...)

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 9:18am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:
 oh good grief.. ever hear about the burden of proof?
 
LOOK IT UP FOR YERSELF ON THE INTERNETZ!!1!11!

"Decades ago, I used to see the anti-capitalist screeds that were published in Pravda or the Peoples’ Daily and wondered how the citizens of the USSR or “Red China” could believe such over-the-top propaganda. Now I know."
steeler

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 6:18am



 rgio wrote:


 steeler wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Perhaps you should have watched the hearings.  You still can if you want to. You have free will.
 

I watched a good chunk of the one in Gettysburg. It was a joke.

Also, one might ask oneself: Why would they be having hearings to present their evidence and arguments and not focus upon doing so successfully in court? 
 
To date, the process is:

1 Get a signed affidavit
2 Hold a press conference
3 File for a hearing
4  Write out the "fraud" for submission to the court, with very little detail but the pressure that the election is being "stolen"
5 Have your "star witness" recant the story.
6 Show up in court, and when asked to detail the fraud or discrepancy, provide nothing (since at this point you could get in trouble for lying).
7 Receive a lashing by the judge wasting the court's time.

The conspiracy theories during steps 1 through 4 flood the internet.  The same channels report nothing regarding 5 through 7.

The entire process is to convince Trump supporters he isn't a loser, and provide a vehicle for Trump to grab money in the name of Democracy.
 
Yep. They are focused upon a court of public opinion (the Trump supporters, conspiracy theorists, Republicans), not the courts of law. 



rgio

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 6:12am



 steeler wrote:


 sirdroseph wrote:

Perhaps you should have watched the hearings.  You still can if you want to. You have free will.
 

I watched a good chunk of the one in Gettysburg. It was a joke.

Also, one might ask oneself: Why would they be having hearings to present their evidence and arguments and not focus upon doing so successfully in court? 
 
To date, the process is:

1 Get a signed affidavit
2 Hold a press conference
3 File for a hearing
4  Write out the "fraud" for submission to the court, with very little detail but the pressure that the election is being "stolen"
5 Have your "star witness" recant the story.
6 Show up in court, and when asked to detail the fraud or discrepancy, provide nothing (since at this point you could get in trouble for lying).
7 Receive a lashing by the judge wasting the court's time.

The conspiracy theories during steps 1 through 4 flood the internet.  The same channels report nothing regarding 5 through 7.

The entire process is to convince Trump supporters he isn't a loser, and provide a vehicle for Trump to grab money in the name of Democracy.
steeler

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 6:00am



 sirdroseph wrote:

Perhaps you should have watched the hearings.  You still can if you want to. You have free will.
 

I watched a good chunk of the one in Gettysburg. It was a joke.

Also, one might ask oneself: Why would they be having hearings to present their evidence and arguments and not focus upon doing so successfully in court? 
rgio

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:57am



 westslope wrote:

That is what is so odd about Trump and his movement.  I have known many, many conservatives over the years, secular and social.   All of them without exception would be alienated even disgusted with Trump's behaviour, private and public.  All would place value on a political leader's character and integrity.  

Why the love, why the consistent, growing support?   Why the constant defence of his boorish behaviour by so many?  Why does the Trump movement seem so obsessively attached to the personality of Donald Trump? 

Why can the Trump movement not find another leader?  A leader of character, a leader of deep, firm moral values, who exudes compassion, a leader who seeks to inspire.  A leader who does not see the world as just a zero sum-game. but rather understand that outcomes improve with better  cooperation.

Perhaps the the pointed question is:  why has the Trump movement failed to develop other strong, articulate and influential leaders?  Why are so many Americans clamouring for charismatic authoritarianism at this stage in US history?
 
The movement is tied to Trump because it is emotional.  Reason, logic, and science all take a back seat to the feelings associated with his message.   Kurt will say things about honesty, how Trump "finally tells it like it is", yet many of us find Trump to be one of the least dishonest people on the planet.  How is that possible?

I think it's possible because Trump is speaking to Kurt's frustrations.  The government hasn't been there for them (in a way they can see or feel).  Trump is built a reputation as a billionaire....he's not.  He owes more than he has in equity in most of his endeavors. He has failed at more businesses than he's been successful with, primarily because they are all snake oil and empty promises. 

More and more Americans are frustrated by the lack of opportunity they have and in comes a guy who is willing to point fingers and blame everyone in government for their collective lot in life.  He says what many believe...all of the policies and programs to "help" others are hurting me.  You can't get into a good college...blame affirmative action.  You lost your manufacturing job...blame China.  You can't find a good job anywhere...blame immigrants.  It has to be someone else's fault because I started the game and then the rules changed.  What I don't think people understand is that the decisions were all made by their peers, here in the US.  Jobs don't miraculously move offshore, someone in the US moves them.  Companies reward that type of behavior,  and executives can only make more money if the company makes more.  The government couldn't stop it without major protectionist programs.  Trump never planned on stopping it, he just wanted to sell it.

Michael Douglas literally laid out the blueprint for Trump when he made the American President 20+ years ago... 
That ladies and gentlemen is how you win elections. You gather a group of middle-aged, middle-classed, middle-income voters, who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family, American values, and character, and you wave an old photo of the President’s girlfriend, and you scream about patriotism, you tell she’s to blame for their lot in life, and you go on television, and you call her a whore.

Replace the girlfriend with Hunter Biden.

Republicans can't find another leader because nobody else will engage at the emotional level Trump plays.  You literally have to ignore reality, which he will do over and over and over.   He will say anything he thinks his followers want to hear, and when called on it he'll double down with lies, conspiracies, and tweets.  The Republican Party is lost.  Mitch McConnell and the Congress sold their soul to the devil for a few judges and a chance to attack the legacy of Obama... and now find themselves in no-man's land.
NoEnzLefttoSplit

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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:51am

 sirdroseph wrote:

All of them.  I could look up all of the hearings on you tube and other media outlets, my wife could send you all types of links, but I don't really want to since that would involve a bunch of clicking that you should really do for yourself.
 
{#Lol} oh good grief.. ever hear about the burden of proof?
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:49am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

any particular ones you suggest?
 
All of them.  I could look up all of the hearings on you tube and other media outlets, my wife could send you all types of links, but I don't really want to since that would involve a bunch of clicking that you should really do for yourself.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:46am

 sirdroseph wrote:

Perhaps you should have watched the hearings.  You still can if you want to. You have free will.
 
any particular ones you suggest?
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:45am

 NoEnzLefttoSplit wrote:

once again, I'd really like to see some hard evidence. Just because you think it is true, doesn't make it true.
 
Perhaps you should have watched the hearings.  You still can if you want to. You have free will.
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Posted: Nov 30, 2020 - 5:42am

 sirdroseph wrote:
 
 
once again, I'd really like to see some hard evidence. Just because you think it is true, doesn't make it true.
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