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BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Aug 1, 2020 - 8:51pm

Holy SHIT! You'd almost think the Fed presence was a problem!
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 4:46pm



 westslope wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 westslope wrote:
Question and this is a serious question:

Have any demonstration organizers in the USA ever invited police to to walk among the demonstrators to assure orderly behaviour and to protect peaceful demonstrators from outside violent agitators or criminals?

 
Not sure if they have been invited, but there are accounts of a number of police chiefs who walked with demonstrators in the immediate aftermath of Minnesota.

 
Yes, am aware and that was most inspirational  but it was also spontaneous.  In general, I see no interest in the police taking a position; just keeping peaceful demonstrations safe for law-abiding demonstrators and members of the public would be a major accomplishment.  It would also be a huge public relations success for the movement organizing the political demonstration.

I am talking about protesters soliciting the help and cooperation of municipal and state police to maintain public order.  Imagine the amount of ink that would be spilled in covering such a novel cooperative arrangement.  Imagine all the skeptics and fence sitters that might take the core themes of the demonstration much more seriously with such an approach.   Think about the in-depth interview article multiplier.   

In my experience, journalists dine out on violent conflict but as a question of personal opinion, they do not like it.   Courageous, determined non-violent protest is received much more positively.  

 

"I am talking about protesters soliciting the help and cooperation of municipal and state police to maintain public order. Imagine the amount of ink that would be spilled in covering such a novel cooperative arrangement. Imagine all the skeptics and fence sitters that might take the core themes of the demonstration much more seriously with such an approach. Think about the in-depth interview article multiplier."

IIRC the police were regularly walking with demonstrators in earlier BLM-related protests, e.g. the ones responding to Michael Brown's death. 
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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 4:45pm



 westslope wrote:


 haresfur wrote:


 westslope wrote:
Question and this is a serious question:

Have any demonstration organizers in the USA ever invited police to to walk among the demonstrators to assure orderly behaviour and to protect peaceful demonstrators from outside violent agitators or criminals?

 
Not sure if they have been invited, but there are accounts of a number of police chiefs who walked with demonstrators in the immediate aftermath of Minnesota.

 
Yes, am aware and that was most inspirational  but it was also spontaneous.  In general, I see no interest in the police taking a position; just keeping peaceful demonstrations safe for law-abiding demonstrators and members of the public would be a major accomplishment.  It would also be a huge public relations success for the movement organizing the political demonstration.

I am talking about protesters soliciting the help and cooperation of municipal and state police to maintain public order.  Imagine the amount of ink that would be spilled in covering such a novel cooperative arrangement.  Imagine all the skeptics and fence sitters that might take the core themes of the demonstration much more seriously with such an approach.   Think about the in-depth interview article multiplier.   

In my experience, journalists dine out on violent conflict but as a question of personal opinion, they do not like it.   Courageous, determined non-violent protest is received much more positively.  

 
You do remember when BLM stopped the Toronto Gay Pride parade because there was a group of gay police participating? So much for intersectional activism and building bridges. I do hope other groups do more to educate and de-escalate the police. Yes, there is an outrageous problem in many police departments, but the carrot and stick approach is time-tested.

The thing I struggle with is that non-violent protest is received more positively but seldom seems to lead to change.

westslope

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 4:33pm



 haresfur wrote:


 westslope wrote:
Question and this is a serious question:

Have any demonstration organizers in the USA ever invited police to to walk among the demonstrators to assure orderly behaviour and to protect peaceful demonstrators from outside violent agitators or criminals?

 
Not sure if they have been invited, but there are accounts of a number of police chiefs who walked with demonstrators in the immediate aftermath of Minnesota.

 
Yes, am aware and that was most inspirational  but it was also spontaneous.  In general, I see no interest in the police taking a position; just keeping peaceful demonstrations safe for law-abiding demonstrators and members of the public would be a major accomplishment.  It would also be a huge public relations success for the movement organizing the political demonstration.

I am talking about protesters soliciting the help and cooperation of municipal and state police to maintain public order.  Imagine the amount of ink that would be spilled in covering such a novel cooperative arrangement.  Imagine all the skeptics and fence sitters that might take the core themes of the demonstration much more seriously with such an approach.   Think about the in-depth interview article multiplier.   

In my experience, journalists dine out on violent conflict but as a question of personal opinion, they do not like it.   Courageous, determined non-violent protest is received much more positively.  

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 4:21pm



 westslope wrote:
Question and this is a serious question:

Have any demonstration organizers in the USA ever invited police to to walk among the demonstrators to assure orderly behaviour and to protect peaceful demonstrators from outside violent agitators or criminals?

 
Not sure if they have been invited, but there are accounts of a number of police chiefs who walked with demonstrators in the immediate aftermath of Minnesota.

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 3:24pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 
 
I'm shocked!  SHOCKED I say!!!   

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 1:57pm



 BlueHeronDruid wrote:
 

go figure
BlueHeronDruid

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 12:27pm

TOTAL ANARCHY WITHOUT FEDERAL AGENTS!
westslope

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 12:26pm

Question and this is a serious question:

Have any demonstration organizers in the USA ever invited police to to walk among the demonstrators to assure orderly behaviour and to protect peaceful demonstrators from outside violent agitators or criminals?

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Posted: Jul 31, 2020 - 6:16am

Freekin' white people{#Mrgreen}

The Portland 'Wall of Moms' movement is falling apart after a local Black Lives Matter group accused them of 'anti-Blackness'


I don't even understand what they are talking about. {#Lol}
  • The Portland "Wall of Moms" protest group has been accused of "anti-Blackness" by a local racial-justice organization. 

  • Don't Shoot Portland said Wall of Moms members — who have formed human chains to protect  protesters in the city — have not done their job to shield Black women, leaving them "vulnerable."

  • Don't Shoot Portland also accused Wall of Moms founder Bev Barnum of going behind its back to register the group as a nonprofit.

  • "The lies are finally clear and we are sad but ultimately not surprised that anti-Blackness showed it's ugly face with Wall of Moms," Don't Shoot Portland wrote in a Wednesday Instagram post. 

  • The Wall of Moms have since tweeted that Barnum "went rogue" and that members are trying to regroup and "do things the right way."

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Posted: Jul 30, 2020 - 10:44am

Federal Agents at Protests Renew Calls to Dismantle Homeland Security
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 1:38pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 

From the article: 

not naming the man because he has not been charged with a crime.

WTF? I'm hoping that they left out the 'yet'. Or maybe 'because they ran out of paper printing the list of charges'. This nugget brain should be held financially responsible for every nickel of damage and shackled with the debt and resulting servitude for all time.
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 12:46pm

Oregon says federal agents to withdraw from Portland
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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 8:46am



 Red_Dragon wrote:
 
Which only confirms the ID made by reddit as the fires were still burning.

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Posted: Jul 29, 2020 - 5:18am

Minneapolis Police Reportedly Identify Viral 'Umbrella Man' As White Supremacist
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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 11:28pm



 westslope wrote:
Good post/report BlueHeronDruid.  ↓ 

Corresponds to exactlyw what I would expect reading from a distance.  

I am not a fan of political violence but from the strikes and massive protests I have attended/helped organize or the ones I have observed from afar, rarely are innocent civilians at risk unless they attempt to stop looters and vandals.  
 
...or the innocent civilians who may be protesting peacefully, observing the protests, providing medical assistance to injured protestors, or in some other way are in a place where the the police or paramilitaries decide to attack them.

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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 10:31pm

What Does It Mean to ‘Look Like a Mom’?
As the Wall of Moms movement spreads across the country, so, too, does that question.

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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 9:40pm

It's all fun and games, until its you in the car with your children.


Black Lives Matter Road-Block Tactic Ambushes Drivers, Leading To Dangerous Confrontations


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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 9:05pm


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Posted: Jul 28, 2020 - 9:02pm

From the Start, Federal Agents Demanded a Role in Suppressing Protests
Government memos show how a gung-ho federal law enforcement response may have been driven by a shaky understanding of the demonstrations’ roots.
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