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Posted: Sep 26, 2024 - 6:26am

Convo on the debt

https://www.barrons.com/podcas...

Jack Hough: Got it. The last question I wanted to ask you about the debt is just, it's the toughest one, I guess. How do you fix it? How do you fix everything? You must look at where the money goes, right? You must think to yourself, "Boy, if I ran this place for a year, we'd get things ship shape around here." I know it's not easy, but do you see any low hanging fruit? I know that this gets into politics and policy choices and so forth, but are there any paths that you see to getting spending down or getting the deficits under control that are more benign than others?

Jonathan Pingle: I'm afraid to have actually the opposite answer to what you're getting at. That is that by waiting, we've made many of decisions increasingly difficult. Think about it this way. When I was born, defense spending was about 9% of nominal GDP. When I graduated from high school, it was about 6% of nominal GDP, now, it's 3%, and the Congressional budget office predicts it's headed towards 2% of nominal GDP. That has freed up a lot of economic resources for us to fund other parts of mandatory spending and other spending priorities.

Jack Hough: It sounds like great news so far. Tell me, what wise choices have we made?

Jonathan Pingle: The problem we have is defense spending's not going from three to zero. We've exhausted, to some extent, the ability to just shrink our other spending in order to free up more resources. We really are now at a point where we have to make some choices. We have to make some choices about do we start to restrain the growth of the old age programs? Do we raise taxes? How do we want to structure the federal budget to put it on a more sustainable path going forward? That's going to be trade-offs between a lot of different interests, whether it's funding for education, the inner cities, transportation infrastructure, the military, defense, environment, the national park, I mean, everything that Americans use and enjoy, the weather service, the national hurricane... List on and on and on, the role and features of the government in our society and economy. We're at a point now where we're going to have to start deciding how to fund it better and also what we really want to fund.

Jack Hough: But Jonathan, we're big, right? The economy is big, and when you're big and you spend a lot, you're supposed to get economies of scale. That's how Costco works, right? You load up with so many rolls of paper towels, they give you a good deal. Let's put it this way, even if you don't have the specific prescription, there is a way to run this economy with the amount of money we have at our disposal that could be sustainable and manageable. Right? This can still be done, would you say or?

Jonathan Pingle: Oh, no. I do. No, I do think it is. It's not really for me to say, "Hey, we should get rid of this component of the Department of Labor's program on X or the Commerce Department office of Y." But you can make a case that certainly there are big parts of these agencies that might be able to run better as well. But overall, when you look at the budget and you think about some of the big parts, I mean, they really are some of the mandatory spending programs like Medicare and Social Security and even Medicaid. When you start to think about the remainder, that's actually a relatively small part. Now, there's probably room to better manage it as well. I think you're right that if you think about the size of the economy, we should be able to effectively fund and run a government. But we've gotten ourselves into a position now where revenues and spending are not aligned and going forward, they're not projected to align.

Jack Hough: I'm just curious, would you say that you personally are an optimistic investor when you're setting aside money and you're like, let's say, talking with your family, do you say, "Hey, we've got some problems, but things are going to be okay long-term, this is still a place of opportunity,"? Or do you say, "Hey, you know what I've seen under the hood on this thing, and we've got some big issues here. There's trouble brewing." How optimistic are you as a long-term investor?

Jonathan Pingle: First of all, I love the United States of America, and I think we are the greatest country on earth, and I am optimistic about our future. However, when I look at our federal budget, I think it is definitely concerning. Just to go back to one of your earlier questions on things that break and pick up on this defense spending point, the US is at risk of having to pay a premium to be able to finance the magnitude of this debt over time. If we do that, that's only going to make the spending and revenue decisions harder because we're going to crowd out important investments that we expect the government to make on infrastructure education or elsewhere if we are continuing, not only to pile up debt, but then also if the private markets start to add a 10th, another 10th, and another 10th and another 10th as a cost of financing.

But there's also these implicit costs they have been taking, take the defense spending experiment for a second, or the thought exercise. Right now defense spending is a share of nominal GDP is 3%, but let's say it was still 5% of nominal GDP, and then you thought about the US's ability to project power, fund allies, et cetera. Would we be facing the same geopolitical environment we are now the same volatility in macro markets that that's caused periodically in the last few years. I think that's a good question of whether or not we're already paying some of these costs from having allowed the budget outlook to deteriorate to the extent it has.




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Posted: Sep 26, 2024 - 5:24am

The Politics of Wealth Inequality



How Rich Are Dictators?



Forget about Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet. The richest person in the world is probably found amongst the list of remaining dictators. For example, it was revealed that both Muammar Gaddafi and Hosni Mubarak were rich beyond belief when their accounts were uncovered after they fell from power. They are not the only ones, as suggested in this article. Yet, we do not know who is richest – and we probably never will. Dictators are secretive about their wealth and hide it from the public eye. In addition, it is often hard to know where the state’s coffers stop, and where the pockets of the individual start. Therefore, dictators usually do not figure on lists over the richest people in the world, including Forbes’ annual rankings of the World’s Billionaires. This is problematic for a number of reasons.

While we occasionally see wealthy self-made businessmen turning authoritarian, most dictators make their wealth while in office either through embezzlement, fraud, or shady deals; or they inherit it as part of the governing family, such as the Saud family who are worth up to $1.4 trillion. Many would, therefore, perceive their fortune as illegitimate, and, as a result, most dictators have good reasons to be secretive about their wealth. Corruption is an issue of particular concern to many people, and even though dictators are not accountable through free and fair elections, they occasionally fall out with the masses, and risk sparking public outrage; and perhaps being removed in a revolution.<1> Hence, being officially filthy rich through ill-gotten gains is a bad survival strategy. In addition, because they risk having their wealth confiscated if they are removed, dictators store much of their fortune abroad in secret accounts. And to be sure that they are not sanctioned by the international community or exposed, they often hide their money in other people’s names. It is estimated that 57% of the Gulf countries financial wealth is held offshore, while the number for Russia is 50% and 30% for Africa.<2> Thus, while Putin earned roughly $135,000 in 2018 from his official salary, a military pension, interest on savings, and investment gains, and officially lives in a small apartment, we have good reasons to suspect that he is far, far richer – some even speculate that he is the richest person in the world.

Yet another challenge arises when trying to estimate these dictators’ wealth, as we cannot separate the fortune of the state from the wealth of the individual. Erdogan built a presidential palace with 1,150 rooms for himself, although the building officially belongs to the Turkish state, and it was estimated that Trujillo of the Dominican Republic at some point during his regime controlled about 80% of the industrial production, and 60% of the country's economic activity. Some dictators even acquire such a dominant position and so much power that we can reasonably speculate whether everything in the country is owned by them, summarized by the phrase L’etat c’est moi, attributed to Louis XIV in his time. This is akin to what we sometimes call a personalist dictator, and can manifest in absurdly ostentatious ways, such as Saparmurat Niyazov of Turkmenistan’s affinity for golden statues, or Jean-Bédel Bokassa of Central African Republic’s extremely lavish coronation ceremony that cost a quarter of the gross national product.

While these examples are fascinating, it is also deeply problematic that so much illegitimate wealth lies in the hands of individuals and is hidden away from the public’s eyes. Dictators are squeezing their – often very poor – populations to live lavish lifestyles. Dictators and their inner circles are, in some cases, so wealthy that redistributing their wealth could make a significant difference for the population they govern. Uncovering the fortune of dictators and informing people about their wealth is the first step towards holding them accountable and putting the pressure on for a different form of government. In addition, we now and then see news articles claiming that democratic leaders are very well paid. For example, this list of the 20 of the highest paid world leaders by USA Today is dominated by democratic leaders. If we do not take into account the wealth of autocrats, we risk holding up an unfair comparison to democracy which can lead to resentment of democratic politicians and make people too eager to drain the swamp by voting for a strong man. In fact, members of America's Congress are paupers compared to their Chinese counterparts. While we should have a discussion about whether democratic leaders earn too much (or too little) and the extent to which they are corrupt, the advantage of democracy is that voters can hold their leaders accountable through the ballot box. Ultimately, I believe that one of the best arguments for democracy is that dictatorships far too often become a rich man’s club, where a wealthy group are pillaging their country and redesigning the economic system to a kleptocracy benefitting the few instead of the many. And getting out of this equilibrium (again) can be very hard.


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Posted: Sep 24, 2024 - 10:33am

'Global Oligarchy' Reigns as Top 1% Controls More Wealth Than Bottom 95% of Humanity | Common Dreams
A report published Monday by the humanitarian group Oxfam warns that decades of intensifying inequality have left the world in the grip of a "global oligarchy" under which the richest sliver of humanity owns more wealth than nearly everyone else combined—a state of affairs that undermines democratic institutions and international cooperation on climate, pandemics, and other crises.

Oxfam's analysis of data from the investment banking giant UBS found that the fortune controlled by the top 1% is now larger than the collective wealth of the bottom 95%.

Such inequality pervades the global economy, Oxfam noted, with a small number of corporations dominating key sectors. Nearly half of the global seed market, for example, is controlled by just two corporations, Bayer and Corteva. At the same time, just three U.S.-based financial behemoths—Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard—oversee nearly 20% of the world's investable assets, around $20 trillion.

What's more, such massive corporations are increasingly run by billionaires: According to Oxfam, a billionaire either heads or is the top shareholder of more than a third of the world's leading 50 corporations.

"While we often hear about great power rivalries undermining multilateralism, it is clear that extreme inequality is playing a massive role," Oxfam executive director Amitabh Behar said in a statement. "In recent years the ultra-wealthy and powerful corporations have used their vast influence to undermine efforts to solve major global problems such as tackling tax dodging, making Covid-19 vaccines available to the world, and canceling the albatross of sovereign debt." (...)

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Posted: Sep 24, 2024 - 7:46am

um, let me try that again

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Posted: Sep 24, 2024 - 7:45am

this was surprisingly succinct. 


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Posted: Sep 18, 2024 - 9:43am

...from cuts to solutions, dissolving... 
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Posted: Sep 18, 2024 - 9:33am


Some day, probably, the debt will matter. 

Federal Debt Is Soaring. Here’s Why Trump and Harris Aren’t Talking About It.

Both candidates were part of administrations that produced growing deficits. Neither is likely to reverse that trend if elected.

https://www.wsj.com/politics/p...

The U.S. isn’t fighting a war, a crisis or a recession. Yet the federal government is borrowing as if it were.

This year’s budget deficit is on track to top $1.9 trillion, or more than 6% of economic output, a threshold reached only around World War II, the 2008 financial crisis and the Covid-19 pandemic. Publicly held federal debt—the sum of all deficits—just passed $28 trillion or almost 100% of GDP.

If Congress does nothing, the total debt will climb by another $22 trillion through 2034. Interest costs alone are poised to exceed annual defense spending.

But the country’s fiscal trajectory merits only sporadic mentions by the major-party presidential nominees, let alone a serious plan to address it. Instead, the candidates are tripping over each other to make expensive promises to voters.

Economists and policymakers already worry that the growing debt pile could put upward pressure on interest rates, restraining economic growth, crowding out other priorities and potentially impairing Washington’s ability to borrow in case of a war or another crisis. There have been scattered warning signs already, including downgrades to the U.S. credit rating and lackluster demand for Treasury debt at some auctions.

Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic nominee, and GOP rival Donald Trump aren’t the same on fiscal policy. She has outlined or endorsed enough fiscal measures—tax increases or spending cuts—to plausibly pay for much of her agenda. He has not.

Still, both Harris and Trump were parts of administrations that helped produce those deficits. Both have promised to protect the biggest drivers of rising spending—Social Security and Medicare. And both want to extend trillions of dollars in tax cuts set to lapse at the end of 2025, amid bipartisan agreement that federal income taxes shouldn’t rise for at least 97% of households.








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Posted: Aug 22, 2024 - 7:51am

 black321 wrote:
When your estimates/data is this far off, you're bound to have those scream conspiracy...or at the least, incompetence. 

The New York Times reports that "the U.S. economy added far fewer jobs in 2023 and early 2024 than previously reported, a sign that cracks in the labor market are more severe — and began forming earlier — than initially believed.

"On Wednesday, the Labor Department said that monthly payroll figures overstated job growth by roughly 818,000 in the 12 months that ended in March. That suggests employers added about 174,000 jobs per month during that period, down from the previously reported pace of about 242,000 jobs — a downward revision of about 28 percent.

"The revisions, which are preliminary, are part of an annual process in which monthly estimates, based on surveys, are reconciled with more accurate but less timely records from state unemployment offices. The new figures, once finalized, will be incorporated into official government employment statistics early next year.

"The updated numbers are the latest sign of vulnerability in the job market, which until recently had appeared rock solid despite months of high interest rates and economists’ warnings of an impending recession. More recent data, which wasn’t affected by the revisions, suggest job growth slowed further in the spring and summer, and the unemployment rate, though still relatively low at 4.3 percent, has been gradually rising."

 
Yeah, but the Fed is using these numbers for decision making purposes, afaik.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2024 - 7:33am

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Hurrah!...oh, wait
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Posted: Aug 22, 2024 - 7:32am

When your estimates/data is this far off, you're bound to have those scream conspiracy...or at the least, incompetence. 

The New York Times reports that "the U.S. economy added far fewer jobs in 2023 and early 2024 than previously reported, a sign that cracks in the labor market are more severe — and began forming earlier — than initially believed.

"On Wednesday, the Labor Department said that monthly payroll figures overstated job growth by roughly 818,000 in the 12 months that ended in March. That suggests employers added about 174,000 jobs per month during that period, down from the previously reported pace of about 242,000 jobs — a downward revision of about 28 percent.

"The revisions, which are preliminary, are part of an annual process in which monthly estimates, based on surveys, are reconciled with more accurate but less timely records from state unemployment offices. The new figures, once finalized, will be incorporated into official government employment statistics early next year.

"The updated numbers are the latest sign of vulnerability in the job market, which until recently had appeared rock solid despite months of high interest rates and economists’ warnings of an impending recession. More recent data, which wasn’t affected by the revisions, suggest job growth slowed further in the spring and summer, and the unemployment rate, though still relatively low at 4.3 percent, has been gradually rising."




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Posted: Jul 6, 2024 - 3:40pm

US federal budget crosses grim milestone as interest payments overtake defense spending
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Posted: Jul 5, 2024 - 11:20am

Political Unrest Worldwide Is Fueled by High Prices and Huge Debts
Economic turmoil is spreading across the globe, and the response has been protests, attempted coups and elections of far-right politicians.
Like a globe-spanning tornado that touches down with little predictability, deep economic anxieties are leaving a trail of political turmoil and violence across poor and rich countries alike. (...)

The causes, context and conditions underlying these disruptions vary widely from country to country. But a common thread is clear: rising inequality, diminished purchasing power and growing anxiety that the next generation will be worse off than this one.

The result is that citizens in many countries who face a grim economic outlook have lost faith in the ability of their governments to cope — and are striking back.

The backlash has often targeted liberal democracy and democratic capitalism, with populist movements springing up on both the left and right. “An economic malaise and a political malaise are feeding each other,” said Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University. (...)

“There is a problem of representation and discontent,” Mr. Guzmán said. “That is a combination that leads to social unrest.” (...)

Overall, Europeans have felt that their wages are not going as far as they used to. Inflation reached nearly 11 percent at one point in 2022, chipping away at incomes. Roughly a third of people in the European Union believe their standards of living will decline over the next five years, according to a recent survey.
Cue the usual scapegoats.
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Posted: Jun 8, 2024 - 5:25pm

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Shrinkflation has finally gone too far.

Of all things, Q-Tips brand cotton swabs has greatly reduced the amount of cotton on the tips making them more of a dangerous pointy object than useful.

Another venerable trusted old brand, trashed.  Shoulda just left it it alone and raised the price. 



Maybe it's just that your ears are getting bigger. 
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Posted: Jun 8, 2024 - 4:53pm

Shrinkflation has finally gone too far.

Of all things, Q-Tips brand cotton swabs has greatly reduced the amount of cotton on the tips making them more of a dangerous pointy object than useful.

Another venerable trusted old brand, trashed.  Shoulda just left it it alone and raised the price. 
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Posted: Jun 8, 2024 - 11:00am

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I assume we're talking about capitalism.  There is a definition beyond "the private ownership of the means of production and their profits"? 

Not really, but there is the tendency to call mixed systems capitalism as well.


Then the context (and article) is about (hallowed) pathological self-interest.
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Posted: Jun 8, 2024 - 9:22am

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a lot depends on how someone defines it as well


I assume we're talking about capitalism.  There is a definition beyond "the private ownership of the means of production and their profits"?  




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Posted: Jun 8, 2024 - 8:55am

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Noted anti-capitalist agitator Adam Smith had it right: "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices."

(1/85)

Pity you stopped reading there. But, you know...context is hard.

He goes on to say:

"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages. Nobody but a beggar chuses to depend chiefly upon the benevolence of his fellow-citizens."
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Posted: Jun 8, 2024 - 8:16am

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It's the worst economic system there is...except for all the others humans have conjured



a lot depends on how someone defines it as well
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Posted: Jun 6, 2024 - 11:31am

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It's the worst economic system there is...except for all the others humans have conjured

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