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Posted: Dec 21, 2018 - 1:25pm

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Happy Solstice everybody!  

 
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Posted: Dec 21, 2018 - 10:25am




Happy Solstice everybody!  
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 9:56pm

 islander wrote:


 kurtster wrote:

Why do you / would you approve of something that is unconstitutional ?

Why would I want to pin my hopes on something that is unconstitutional and could be overturned in the future ?  The ACA did absolutely nothing for me.  In fact it hurt me.  The first thing it did to me after it passed was that I was no longer eligible for sliding scale by income financial help through the hospital.  I was no longer eligible simply because I had insurance even though my income had not changed one penny.  Thanks, Obama ...

 



If your 'oh so very special' circumstance is the one thing that rally can't possibly be helped by the system then feel free to make enough to cover private care that will cover your issues and stop expecting everyone else on the planet to sacrifice you can continue to rail against those who subsidize your care.


 
Not that I was replying to you, but ...

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I have paid into the system that is now subsidizing (as you put it) my care my whole life.  I am getting back what I have earned by playing by the rules

Go pick on someone else who deserves your scorn and hate.  I've had more than enough of it.


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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 9:54pm



 Red_Dragon wrote:

This.
 
When American exceptionalism means that everyone in the developed world gets it except for us.

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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 9:09pm

 islander wrote:

EVERY OTHER major industrialized nation has better health care for less cost than we do, and they do it by implementing a flavor of publicly subsidized universal care. If your 'oh so very special' circumstance is the one thing that rally can't possibly be helped by the system then feel free to make enough to cover private care that will cover your issues and stop expecting everyone else on the planet to sacrifice you can continue to rail against those who subsidize your care.

 
This.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 8:40pm



 kurtster wrote:

Why do you / would you approve of something that is unconstitutional ?

Why would I want to pin my hopes on something that is unconstitutional and could be overturned in the future ?  The ACA did absolutely nothing for me.  In fact it hurt me.  The first thing it did to me after it passed was that I was no longer eligible for sliding scale by income financial help through the hospital.  I was no longer eligible simply because I had insurance even though my income had not changed one penny.  Thanks, Obama ...

 

So yeah, about that.... 

I recall many years ago when you  were lamenting how bad the ACA was and you would rail here about it. At the time I was running a business and providing healthcare for my employees with assistance from the ACA. I gave you many tips and pointed out areas where it would help you.

You then said none of it applied to your 'special circumstances' and listed several areas where you thought that might be.  I replied with links to the IRS pointing out subsidies and a credits designed specifically to offset the problems you mentioned.

Again, you deferred, so I gave you more links and more resources.

So pardon me if I say B.S. to your oh so woe is me claims here now.

EVERY OTHER major industrialized nation has better health care for less cost than we do, and they do it by implementing a flavor of publicly subsidized universal care. If your 'oh so very special' circumstance is the one thing that rally can't possibly be helped by the system then feel free to make enough to cover private care that will cover your issues and stop expecting everyone else on the planet to sacrifice you can continue to rail against those who subsidize your care.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 7:51pm

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:
 kurtster wrote:


 the ACA is finally being declared unconstitutional once and for all.  As it should have been from day one.

  
As someone who's used and is using every tool in the box to stay on the green side of the grass, you sure are a tough one to figure out sometimes.

 
Why do you / would you approve of something that is unconstitutional ?

Why would I want to pin my hopes on something that is unconstitutional and could be overturned in the future ?  The ACA did absolutely nothing for me.  In fact it hurt me.  The first thing it did to me after it passed was that I was no longer eligible for sliding scale by income financial help through the hospital.  I was no longer eligible simply because I had insurance even though my income had not changed one penny.  Thanks, Obama ...

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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 10:51am



 islander wrote:

Don't think the issue is the color of the grass...
 


islander

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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 8:51am

 ScottFromWyoming wrote:

As someone who's used and is using every tool in the box to stay on the green side of the grass, you sure are a tough one to figure out sometimes.

 
Don't think the issue is the color of the grass...
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 8:39am

Doesn't everyone just use smartphones or Fit Bits or something anymore?  Watches are going the way of the pay phone ain't it?  I will be here all day, please remember to tip your waitresses and bartenders, they work hard so you don't have to. {#Drummer}
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 8:13am

 kurtster wrote:


 the ACA is finally being declared unconstitutional once and for all.  As it should have been from day one.

 
As someone who's used and is using every tool in the box to stay on the green side of the grass, you sure are a tough one to figure out sometimes.
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 7:59am

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Do you mean that somebody else would have done nothing at all to avoid a depression, or that somebody else would have done the wrong thing, or that Obama did the only effective thing possible?

p.s. Sorry to sound like a troll, but Obama was obviously so weak that its not even interesting to discuss anymore.  Over and out. 
 
 
8 years of nothing.  His only legacy will be doubling the national debt with nothing to show for it, now that the ACA is finally being declared unconstitutional once and for all.  As it should have been from day one.

 


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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 7:07am

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 p.s. Sorry to sound like a troll, but Obama was obviously so weak that its not really interesting to discuss anymore.  Over and out.
 
 
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Posted: Dec 20, 2018 - 6:40am

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Obama's legacy? Hardly. Without his administration's efforts we would have sunk into another Great Depression.  
 
Do you mean that somebody else would have done nothing at all to avoid a depression, or that somebody else would have done the wrong thing, or that Obama did the only effective thing possible?

p.s. Sorry to sound like a troll, but Obama was obviously so weak that its not even interesting to discuss anymore.  Over and out.

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Posted: Dec 19, 2018 - 7:34pm

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If Obama did so well, why do we have Trump?  

 

Because we went through a massive economic crisis caused by a financial bubble in our real estate market. Typically these kinds of crashes create a severe economic downturn causing significant job losses, and have lengthy as well as dramatically uneven recoveries. The financial and technology sectors recovered fairly quickly as did regions of the country that have high employment in those sectors. Manufacturing got hammered even on top of the significant job losses it experienced due to American jobs shifting to China or disappearing due to automation. 

As these three economists have shown, a financial crash not only leads to long and slow economic recovery, it also drives up support for far-right politics and support for governing (I think this mean mainstream) parties down. Support for the far left remains the same. Their work "compiled data on nearly 100 financial crises and more than 800 national elections in 20 democracies since 1870." (quote is from first link just below).  

The three economists also discuss their findings here (probably the best link but you have to register for free to read the piece) and here

Trump played on people's beliefs that Washington had abandoned them and foreigners were stealing their jobs and eroding their culture. 

Obama's legacy? Hardly. Without his administration's efforts we would have sunk into another Great Depression. The monetary and fiscal stimuli his administration pushed forward and promoted were as big as the politics of the time allowed but they were not enough to provide a speedier recovery. 
It's possible that Obama's presidency quietly encouraged the reappearance of racism but I don't see how you can blame him for that. AFAICT racism reappears during economic hard times and there were other issues pushing the matter of race forward, such as Black Lives Matter. Trump and FOX played on those fears as well as conservative reactions to #MeToo and LBGQT protests. You could argue that Obama's blackness pushed people towards Trump but Obama was out the door in November '16 and he was not running against Trump. 

You also have to factor Hillary's bad reputation and bad performance as  a candidate into Trump's win as well as Russian efforts to suppress the Democratic vote. Jim Comey certainly helped suppress the Democratic vote and probably helped the Republican vote. 
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Posted: Dec 19, 2018 - 5:51pm



 rhahl wrote:

If Obama did so well, why do we have Trump?  Obama's legacy.
 

Makes no sense. Trump is a byproduct of FOXNews and a lack of a reasonable GOP candidate and Hillary, not Obama.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2018 - 5:50pm

 rhahl wrote:

If Obama did so well, why do we have Trump?  Obama's legacy.

 
Because of skin color.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2018 - 5:49pm

 Red_Dragon wrote: 
If Obama did so well, why do we have Trump?  Obama's legacy.
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Posted: Dec 19, 2018 - 6:30am

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My guess would be he had the wrong URL copied and pasted it rather than what he intended.   You might want to double check it Dave.

 
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