Suspended vs. stopped/dropped/ended. Does this mean we have a Ross Perot like set of convulsions looming? "I'm in", "I'm out", "I'm in"...

 aflanigan wrote: 

 ErikX wrote: 

Even a blind squirrel . . .

Even though he could be a dick at times, the terminated poster marquemarx was dead on about the future of Herman Cain.

...apparently his wife was OK with his girlfriends?

Stand by your man...

 ScottN wrote: 
.....or a obvious lack of knowledge of world affairs.

 ScottN wrote: 
It was the straw.

 hippiechick wrote:He was toast after the second or third abuse allegation.  It's no small irony that a consensual relationship, rather that an abusive one, did him in. 

He's TOAST

Herman Cain Suspending 2012 Campaign For President

 mzpro5 wrote: 
No, I do not believe that anything is totally genetically predisposed to anything. Scientists have found out that we can switch these genetic predispositions off and on.

The people in my life, men and women, parents, siblings, have mostly not considered the consequences of how they have treated me, as well as other people, in their lives. With the exception of my Grandma Goldye, my Aunt Rita, and John, the other people in my life have not treated me in a manner which was kind and respectful. I married into a family that treated me and my children even worse.

Since they are now thankfully out of my life, mostly since '03, I have been working hard to let go of the enormous amount of anger felt toward people who have abused me. It has been a very difficult road, accompanied by a few hard lessons along the way. The hardest person to forgive has been myself, for allowing these people to treat me the way I did. I have come a long long way, and it is a continuous process.

 hippiechick wrote: 



So are you saying all behaviors are "genetically programmed"?

That is the biggest cop out of personal responsibility I have ever heard.

And if that is what you think it explains a lot.

Glad we had this discussion because it has shown me just how sad a life you have had and explains your general insecurity.

Try and have a nice day, I realize with all the anger you have within you it is difficult

 hippiechick wrote: 
Go back and look at your posts this morning. "so many men", "most men", " I don't have a high opinion of men in this regard".  You then followed those with: "I have seen men generalize about women in their discussions about why they would never date again".  Who is doing the (over)generalizing here?

 mzpro5 wrote: 
I didn't know my father was cheating on my mother until I was already married. I found out because my own husband was cheating on me with my best friend, and my father thought it would be a great time to share this tidbit with me. I made him tell my mother, which led to 30 years of hell for me, and the biggest mistakes I have ever made in my life, but that's another story.

No, I do not think it is learned behavior, any more than any other behavior.

 islander wrote: 
I never said that all men are cheaters, only the men in my family.

My experiences with men has generally not been positive. The guy I live with now is a wonderful human, he has shared everything he has with me and I am full of love and gratitude for him, but we do not have a romantic relationship. If we did, I might actually have expectations of him that he surely would not be able to meet. But at my age, I seem to be willing to be with someone who treats me with respect, who never yells or denigrates me, and accepts me unconditionally for who I am.

It is important to point out sexism, especially to men, because they are so clueless about it. Women are so objectified in out society, you only need to watch tv to see that. Those who are unaware need to become aware, so that it will not continue to be perpetuated.

The newest sexism seems to be directed at gay people. Some shows use being gay as the butt of jokes regularly, and I think it's wrong.

 hippiechick wrote: 
An easy out to say it is "genetic programming" show me the studies that say men are genetically programed to be abusive.

I stick by the idea that cheating is for the most part a learned behavior, not "genetic programming".

Have you ever considered that your upbringing with a cheating father has subconsciously led you to seek out relationships with men of a similar ilk?

Do some real study of the issue I think you will find many psychologists would agree with my above statement.

 islander wrote: 
I am sure that there are some, but the percentage is small compared to men. There wasn't any sexism involved in what I said, which was "I wonder what drives the desire to do something you might die. Is it hormones, because the overwhelming number is men." I was making an observation and asking a question. Believe me, I wish I had the guts to do something physically challenging, but I don't feel like I have the capabilities.

 mzpro5 wrote: 
Man, I sure wish that was true in my case!

If you believe in genetic programing, there are some things that are just true: Women are designed to be child bearers and nurturers, and men are designed to spill their seed. In almost every species, females choose males that will create the fittest offspring, and men are designed to pick women who will be the best at bearing successful children.

That's the way it has been for just about ever, but now things are changing. We have evolved past needing offspring that can kill a lion. Women now want men who are complex, smart, faithful, on and on. Personally, I think most young women expect from men what they can't possibly provide them. Men have become disappointments to many women. And men feel so challenged by trying to please these women that they give up. An ex once told me that you can't expect emotional support from men, that's what girlfriends are for.

 hippiechick wrote: 
And yet you do it all the time. Often when it has nothing to do with the topic - just yesterday in the way cool video thread. You seem to seek out examples of sexism and look for the angles in which to apply it.  I'll give you that there is sexism in our world, there is also racism, fatism, cliques based on culture, religion, economic class and all kinds of other ways to demonstrate the basic inequity of life.  Life isn't fair.  That doesn't mean that all men cheaters. That's no more an accurate statement than "all women with curly hair are bad with money".  I have seen examples of this, but I wouldn't say that makes it true. 

I'm sorry you've had a bunch of bad experiences that have colored your view. But if you don't take a step back and look around for some better examples (yes, they do exist), you are unlikely to find uch difference as you move forward in the world. Your unhappiness with men makes your future prospects bleak.