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haresfur

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Posted: Nov 27, 2019 - 2:28pm

Alice’s Restaurant on the 2019 Thanksgiving Radio Menu


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Posted: Nov 25, 2018 - 12:15pm



 Proclivities wrote:


 laozilover wrote:

11 months ago IMArlo wrote in the song comments "Bill just mentioned that they might put this song away any year now, permanently, due to its political incorrectness.  My PI radar might be out of tune.  What does he refer to?", to which someone responded that it was Arlo's use of the  word "faggot" (as meaning something other than a bundle of sticks).
 
For the sake of clarity: that post was written by a user whose name is "iMario", not "IMArlo".  Whether or not Bill "mentioned" what that post alleges is not clear either, though the later speculation is there.  I never thought much of that song anyhow, and into married life, the mandatory Thanksgiving listening usually exacerbated the tension of the holiday for me.
 

You are correct sir! 
I should have done a copy and paste and shame on me for not recognizing AliGator!!
(If I were really punctilious, I would have at least tried to look up Bill's mention, although it may have been spoken, in which case I couldn't find it.
):

Posted 1 year ago by AliGator:iMario wrote:Bill just mentioned that they might put this song away any year now, permanently, due to its political incorrectness.  My PI radar might be out of tune.  What does he refer to?

I thought he was referring to the word "faggot." 
  



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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 2:26pm

Vox.com runs a lot of articles that provide perspective or backstory to events...and they've done it again. I suspect most of us know the story behind the song, but what the hell.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
BillG wrote:
 
 
There is something to be said for the shared experience of having us all listen to something together, especially something with shared associations, but that's becoming less & less of a thing. Increasingly, by using our pause, skip, and cache features, our RP experience has become less synchronous. There's a loss in that, but one that is more than compensated for (in my opinion, anyway) by the convenience of those features.
 
 
 
 
I agree that the new features are great but I get the sneaking feeling that RP members aren't writing on the song comment areas as much, perhaps because the smartphone apps bury access to the comments and offer only a bare-bones text editor. Part of the greatness of RP is the ability to talk with people about all sorts of things and share experiences. The possible decline of the song comments section raises the issue of the decline of the RP community, as does (in a smaller way) the end of a shared, scheduled airing of "Alice's Restaurant."

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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 1:32pm



 aflanigan wrote:

Not half as sorry as we are.

 
Hilarious.  Not a Hippie indeed.

Well, if he was listening to a local NPR station, cannot be too bad.  
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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 1:09pm

 GeneP59 wrote:


Sorry I'm not a hippie {#Lol}


 
Not half as sorry as we are.
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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 12:54pm

{#Roflol}  {#Roflol}  {#Roflol}  {#Roflol}  I just turn on my local radio station to hear it at 12pm. It's a tradition when I'm cooking for Thanksgiving. {#Roflol}  {#Roflol}  {#Roflol}  {#Roflol}  

Sorry I'm not a hippie {#Lol}

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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 11:03am

Fair enough Bill.

Though I sure hope that Alice's Restaurant remains part of  the "thoughtfully-crafted and diverse musical flow".  For many of us the song is iconic even if I would have personally dumped Arlo's ass in jail for dumping garbage.  
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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 10:49am



 BillG wrote:
Sorry for any Arlo letdowns. Could have posted something about this in advance.

Over the past few years, we've gradually stopped doing holiday-centric music. Christmas was the first to go — several years ago — and this year we stopped doing Halloween blocks, and, as noted, the Thanksgiving airing of Alice's Restaurant.

These days there are so many ways to hear music that is specific to your current experience. If I want to hear "Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree" or "Thriller" or, yes, "Alice's Restaurant", all I have to do is tell Alexa, or open the Spotify app, or go to YouTube. 

There is something to be said for the shared experience of having us all listen to something together, especially something with shared associations, but that's becoming less & less of a thing. Increasingly, by using our pause, skip, and cache features, our RP experience has become less synchronous. There's a loss in that, but one that is more than compensated for (in my opinion, anyway) by the convenience of those features.

RP is also very much a global station, so US-specific holidays like Thanksgiving or the 4th of July naturally receive less of a focus.

The bottom line is that while there are lots of places to scratch a specific musical itch, there are very few places where you can find a thoughtfully-crafted and diverse musical flow. That's our niche, and that's where our focus is.

That said, I hope you all had a great time yesterday — whether it was Thanksgiving or just Thursday :-)

 



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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 10:24am

oh thank god I didn't have to hear that damn song that my hippie husband insists on playing every thanksgiving.....LOL  
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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 8:26am

 BillG wrote:
Sorry for any Arlo letdowns. Could have posted something about this in advance.

Over the past few years, we've gradually stopped doing holiday-centric music. Christmas was the first to go — several years ago — and this year we stopped doing Halloween blocks, and, as noted, the Thanksgiving airing of Alice's Restaurant.

These days there are so many ways to hear music that is specific to your current experience. If I want to hear "Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree" or "Thriller" or, yes, "Alice's Restaurant", all I have to do is tell Alexa, or open the Spotify app, or go to YouTube. 

There is something to be said for the shared experience of having us all listen to something together, especially something with shared associations, but that's becoming less & less of a thing. Increasingly, by using our pause, skip, and cache features, our RP experience has become less synchronous. There's a loss in that, but one that is more than compensated for (in my opinion, anyway) by the convenience of those features.

RP is also very much a global station, so US-specific holidays like Thanksgiving or the 4th of July naturally receive less of a focus.

The bottom line is that while there are lots of places to scratch a specific musical itch, there are very few places where you can find a thoughtfully-crafted and diverse musical flow. That's our niche, and that's where our focus is.

That said, I hope you all had a great time yesterday — whether it was Thanksgiving or just Thursday :-)

 
I was not a member of the generation that gathered around the AM console radio to listen to Little Orphan Annie or Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar, but I think there were echoes of this communal experience in going to a friend's house and listening to one or more sides of an album, sharing music (and whatever else was on hand) for social bonding or mind enlarging experiences.

As you correctly point out, nostalgic/song specific experiences are readily available online, at least to those with minimal tech savvy. My adult children are now much less embarrassed by and more willing to openly enjoy listening to Mr. Guthrie's anti-establishment hymn every November. Anyone who longs for the communal experience of shared entertainment, whether modern or nostalgic, can always leave their apartment/house/boat and go see a play, go to the movie theater, go to a reading, go to a live music performance, etc.

RP can't be all things to all people all the time, and I think your focus on continuing to be what it does best (human-directed streaming music) is quite appropriate.

{#Cheers}


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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 8:10am



 laozilover wrote:

11 months ago IMArlo wrote in the song comments "Bill just mentioned that they might put this song away any year now, permanently, due to its political incorrectness.  My PI radar might be out of tune.  What does he refer to?", to which someone responded that it was Arlo's use of the  word "faggot" (as meaning something other than a bundle of sticks).
 
For the sake of clarity: that post was written by a user whose name is "iMario", not "IMArlo".  Whether or not Bill "mentioned" what that post alleges is not clear either, though the later speculation is there.  I never thought much of that song anyhow, and into married life, the mandatory Thanksgiving listening usually exacerbated the tension of the holiday for me.
ScottFromWyoming

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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 8:08am

Plus, reading the comments on the song was always a buzzkill. 
BillG

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Posted: Nov 23, 2018 - 6:56am

Sorry for any Arlo letdowns. Could have posted something about this in advance.

Over the past few years, we've gradually stopped doing holiday-centric music. Christmas was the first to go — several years ago — and this year we stopped doing Halloween blocks, and, as noted, the Thanksgiving airing of Alice's Restaurant.

These days there are so many ways to hear music that is specific to your current experience. If I want to hear "Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree" or "Thriller" or, yes, "Alice's Restaurant", all I have to do is tell Alexa, or open the Spotify app, or go to YouTube. 

There is something to be said for the shared experience of having us all listen to something together, especially something with shared associations, but that's becoming less & less of a thing. Increasingly, by using our pause, skip, and cache features, our RP experience has become less synchronous. There's a loss in that, but one that is more than compensated for (in my opinion, anyway) by the convenience of those features.

RP is also very much a global station, so US-specific holidays like Thanksgiving or the 4th of July naturally receive less of a focus.

The bottom line is that while there are lots of places to scratch a specific musical itch, there are very few places where you can find a thoughtfully-crafted and diverse musical flow. That's our niche, and that's where our focus is.

That said, I hope you all had a great time yesterday — whether it was Thanksgiving or just Thursday :-)
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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 4:50pm



 buddy wrote:
It's just a nostalgic song from a 60's hippie. Controversial?  Offensive?  As if it doesn't take a leaf blowing by the window to cause ridiculous arguments around here.

I hadn't missed it in 12 years. A shame. 
{#Rolleyes}


Oh yeah....Happy Thanksgiving.


 

What? No giblet gravy? No cranberry sauce? No magic lamp? All gone? Just like that? 
islander

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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 4:38pm



 buddy wrote:
It's just a nostalgic song from a 60's hippie. Controversial?  Offensive?  As if it doesn't take a leaf blowing by the window to cause ridiculous arguments around here.

I hadn't missed it in 12 years. A shame. 
{#Rolleyes}


Oh yeah....Happy Thanksgiving.


 
Happy T-Day. 

The song found a way to be played at my table. I'm not proud, or tired. Gotta stop war and stuff. 

buddy

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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 4:17pm

It's just a nostalgic song from a 60's hippie. Controversial?  Offensive?  As if it doesn't take a leaf blowing by the window to cause ridiculous arguments around here.

I hadn't missed it in 12 years. A shame. {#Rolleyes}

Oh yeah....Happy Thanksgiving.


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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 3:47pm



 islander wrote:
.....
Hmmm... I'd say the overall message of the song as an anti-war ballad is stronger than a single use of a now inappropriate word. But I've always been overly sensitive to bombing women and children. 
 
Bombing grandfathers never held much appeal for me either.

The USA did help clinch victory in WW II by deliberating targeting civilians in German and Japanese industrial cities.  If not so much the Imperial Japanese army, the Germany Nazi regime clearly posed an existential threat.  Justified.

The American and Israeli War on Terror though leaves much to be desired.  Both countries should erect monuments to terrorism as terrorism played a key part in both countries' nation building processes.  

The 'War on Terror' is just another indication of how easy it is manipulate ordinary folks.  Curious how those who support the 'War on Terror' often readily support political violence. or the deliberate targeting of civilians under the guise of the so-called 'War on Terror'.  

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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 3:39pm

 laozilover wrote:

11 months ago IMArlo wrote in the song comments "Bill just mentioned that they might put this song away any year now, permanently, due to its political incorrectness.  My PI radar might be out of tune.  What does he refer to?", to which someone responded that it was Arlo's use of the  word "faggot" (as meaning something other than a bundle of sticks).

 
Father Rapers.   {#Mrgreen}
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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 2:42pm

So sad. A protest song by definition ought not be politically correct. If the potential to offend or be politically incorrect was the reason for ending this tradition, then I am offended by the attempt to moderate and tone down the sometimes grit that once was one of the hallmarks of RP. 

I suppose all things change. But this was one small tradition that always brought a tear to my eyes, recalling the days when it was first sung and not too often played on commercial radio. Makes me serisouly consider withdrawing my longstanding financial support and send those pennies to another cause. It was a nice long run.
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Posted: Nov 22, 2018 - 1:11pm

 islander wrote:


 laozilover wrote:

11 months ago IMArlo wrote in the song comments "Bill just mentioned that they might put this song away any year now, permanently, due to its political incorrectness.  My PI radar might be out of tune.  What does he refer to?", to which someone responded that it was Arlo's use of the  word "faggot" (as meaning something other than a bundle of sticks).
 

Hmmm... I'd say the overall message of the song as an anti-war ballad is stronger than a single use of a now inappropriate word. But I've always been overly sensitive to bombing women and children. 

 
Yeah, I believe meaning needs to consider context and the context of the draft during a lousy war is pretty incorrect. 
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